Gifted runner?

College rushing stats over his 3 years at Utah St,

12G/46att/165yd
13G/43att/63yd
13G/81att/175yd

I always wonder what prompts the gifted runner comments.

The kids got the arm but does he have the eyes, accuracy, timing and intangibles... the jury is still out.

This is year 3, I'd suspect the GB FO knows what they have in Love.

Ahhh Corey, I'm not taking the bait today...

"The world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful." - e.e.cummings

And I would add e.e., even better with a backyard and a football and some kids and grown ups on Memorial Day weekend (thank you to all and #40 for this privilege). Hopefully, one of the kids that has been waiting FOREVER on the sidelines gets his chance. He comes in, all 4'3" and 88 lbs of him and throws a back shoulder fade that wins the game. Yep, tossed it to his sister who celebrates the TD with her best Billy White Shoes Johnson dance. Stuff of legends...still talked about in the neighborhood.

Love, you got this! Go, go, gooo.

Nobody knows what kind of QB Love will be? Seriously? If the Packer coaches don’t know what they got at this point they should be replaced for incompetence. I think by giving Diva a zillion dollars, the Packers are telling us what they think of Love. Many people just don’t want to hear it.

I'm prety confident that Jordan Love can play much better under the circumstances when game plan is tailored for his capabilities. I'm also completely sure that he can not play like Aaron Rodgers. Because he is not Aaron Rodgers.

I can bet that Tom Brady can not play as Aaron Rodgers (I'm sure he can not). The reason is the same as I stated in previous paragraf.

Every player can play only to his capabilities. The level of play is different category. We saw in several post seasons that level of play from Aaron Rodgers were not at the needed level, not it was at the level he can play.

So, issue about bust, average or much better than average level of play are still open. We realy do not have enough data to make educated guess. To small sample.

I believe that Tom Clements will prepare Jordan Love for the NFL level. Only issue is will Jordan Love be able to control himself not to fall under pressure of being perfect. Because nobody is. If he will try to do to much (as he tried last 1st preseason game), he will fail. If he keep himself under the control, he might surprise many fans already calling him the bust.

This is too early to really know, but he was selected for what he did in 2018, being the most accurate passer in all of college football. No one does that without having "it."

Upon his being drafted by the Packers in 2020, Love was wrongfully downgraded after losing 4 of his starting OL, 3 starting WRs, and having to learn a whole new system under newly hired HC Gary Andersen. He may have gotten positive considerations from the Packers for how well he was able to produce under duress from within the Utah St. program. No one could possibly produce the same numbers he had in 2018 under such conditions.

Of course there was going to be regression in his development due to Love's being pressured, in more ways than one.

Then, consider he was drafted into the pandemic year. Nothing normal in terms of rookie development. It didn't exist.

Add to that, his first two years would become tumultuous with near equal or worse drama & uncertainty from the QB1 position to what Aaron Rodgers himself faced when he was drafted to be Favre's successor.

More drama than Favre? wow.

Yeah, I give him credit. No one knows the future for this talented player, but, I think he will show solid progression in his development this TC/Preseason. I'm confident in Jordan Love being able to deliver if called upon.

I don't share your opinion Cory. They need to move him as fast as possible. He's been pumped up to much. Forget the Bs he's got all the physical tools. As long as he hasn't shown off his arm. The ceiling has dropped. The power arm just isn't there. They're wasting their time. We've seen failures over the years. Guys who were brought in to lead. Only to see the next GM trade for his man. Gutey blew that draft. And we nearly lost the Rodgers because of it. Love is a museum piece. His college achievements don't mean anything. And the closes thing to a bust as will ever seen.
It's No wonder Gutey, had to make up for his mistake. Love didn't make the team better. But the Gm better. That Love pick made Gutey a better Gm than most realize. And finally filling the positions of need.

Jordan Love has to cut it loose this pre season and take command of the Offense.
He seems like a nice kid, a smart kid, but a talented runner? No, he is just ok in that department but we don’t need a runner, we need him to be a QB.
Does he have that grit to make players around him better?
With his and Rodgers contract we may never know until he is QB of another team.
Excited to see him in preseason though, let’s hope he makes the leap this year, I’m sick and tired of every one calling him a bust because nobody knows that.
I hope he balls out and shuts every body up, he may come in this year and win a few games in our Super Bowl run if Rodgers gets dinged up, the Great Nick Foles did it with Philly! Let’s give this kid a chance to show his stuff before dismissing him as a wasted pick like all the national pundits are doing.

Agreed that no one really knows if he can be a future NFL starter but it appears to date that he has a similar skill set to Hundley who had a couple of outstanding preseason games and a couple of good regular season games which led the team and fan base to believe at some point they could get a second round pick for him - sound familiar ? As we now know, Hundley has moved across several teams as a backup who doesn't see the field or on and off practice squads and recently had a tryout with the Vikings. Love has to show or go this season, anyone's guess how it works out.

They’ll need to start Love in any playoff games, especially if they’re at home, in Fla. Cal. or somewhere cold. The other guy has a habit of not showing up.

GB has on staff one of the best, proven QB coaches in the history of the NFL. If I'm Jordon Love I trust Tom Clements' lead and take advantage of a GREAT situation in Green Bay. Tom can show the Packers know what they have given what jumps Love takes this year. Development is not a gradual curve it is done in steps or chunks....Covid and no preseason in 2020; an abbreviated preseason in 2021; Love is closer to being a rookie than a third year player. 2020 was the worst year in the history of the NFL to draft a developmental QB...fair to say Love has not yet had the same opportunity Rodgers or Favre had...the tomatoes have not had good weather and are nowhere near ripe yet...finally the sun appears to be coming out...anxious to see what Love does by the end of this preseason...could be trading Love prematurely could turn out to be a much poorer decision than drafting him.

I have expressed my doubts about him in the past. He is a big unknown. We are not privileged enough to see or know what’s going on behind the scenes. I do know that because of the draft order it was and is unlikely that an obviously great QB would fall to the team unless there is a year we tank in the standings. I would hate that because I have been spoiled by decades of superior play. It’s a rare year that the packers are not in contention for the playoffs or more. I am spoiled! Like everyone else I want a SB. Yet as I look around the league I see most other fans of other teams simply hoping for some improvement and a chance at a playoff game. So Gutie took a risky shot at a QB in the draft and did so in the first round. He took the risk because it may have been the only chance to find a decent backup/replacement for the greatest (in terms of ability) QB this team has ever had. Jordan Love has been a class act over all of the hubbub surrounding this. When and if the time comes that he replaces Rodgers I will cheer him on if only for that.

While I believe that Love needs to have a good preseason I don't think that it matters in terms of determining what the Packers have in him. The Packers have had numerous QBs who had good preseasons and when they played in the regular season they were terrible. Hundley, Tolzien, Kizer, and a few others. Only Matt Flynn proved that he could be effective in a regular season game.

We're not going to know how well Love can play until he plays in at least several regular season games. The reality is he may need two or three seasons worth of play before we can adequately evaluate his capabilities to play in the NFL. It's a matter of how long it will take for the game to "slow down" for Love if in fact that ever happens. It took 2 seasons for the game to slow down for Rodgers after he became the Packers starting QB in 2008.

Part of the question is how long are the Packers willing to wait and how much are they willing to pay Love if they hang onto him for his second contract? It's good to have players look good during the preseason but it really doesn't tell us how well they will play when the games count. Thanks, Since '61

"I don’t think Love will ever be in the upper crust with Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, or Russell Wilson. But I do think he could be better than Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, and Daniel Jones."

If the FO felt this way about Love before they drafted him and then drafted him anyway, then they wasted a trade up for 1st round pick on a QB sentiment that makes Love nothing more than a 5-9 win at best QB.

"That isn’t exactly a Who’s Who of NFL quarterbacks, but it’s a ticket to a starting job playing pro football."

With the NFL QB position being the hardest to play, I'm not drafting anyone just so he can have a job. I can do that in the very late rounds, and it seems the FO was more concerned with just having a replacement for Rodgers than actually replacing Rodgers with a QB that might extend the success bestowed on the team.

The new contract for Rodgers makes clear the FO looked for a QB that would help make Rodgers bend the knee, and they failed and now the over-drafted, over-hyped Love will see his carriage turn back to a pumpkin as the FO has no justified reason to pick up his option or sign him at all, and acknowledging finally they make a mistake in drafting Love and that he could possibly unseat Rodgers, less perform close to Rodgers ability and production.

I could be wrong with the above comment, but it sure looks like the Love didn't fit in the Rodgers shoe before or after his draft selection party, other than a tool to make Rodgers feel like his carriage was turning into a pumpkin. This doesn't excuse Rodgers for his recent playoff failings, but he is still the best carriage to ride even if they don't reach the party year after year, and that makes the Love selection, even more, a mistake as the Love carriage can't get assembly line space.

I hope Love doesn't "Press" too hard in an attempt to impress during this preseason. What I would like to see is Love come out and efficiently execute the playbook.

GB can't give Love up right now. AR has been badly hurt before and can be again. The whole blogosphere was upset last time that GB lacked a competent backup. Now they seem to be upset because the team has one.

If Love takes over after AR quits in 2 years, he's 26. He could still be the starter for ten years after that. Maybe more.

A review of the QBs who win Super Bowls shows a lot more names like Love than AR.

AR himself only won his before he became a GOAT contender. In fact, the better he is in-season, the worse he seems to play post-season. AR is the reason for the recent lack of SB play, not Love.

By now, the one thing no GB fan should worry about is Gutey's ability to put talent on the roster. That includes his drafting Jordan Love.

Give it a rest and enjoy what we have.

This whole Jordan Love discussion is getting repetitious . At this point he has this yr and next yr and will then become a free agent because unless something catastrophic or a surprise retirement comes from Rodgers why would they pick up the 5th yr of his rookie deal .

They have to decide on the fifth yr by may 2023. Time to admit that he was not a good first round selection not because of the players ability (no one can say they know this at least outside the coaching staff) just time to admit the mistake. The packers can either keep him as a back up for two more seasons or get whatever the compensation in return would be .

As long as Aaron is here no way Jordan see's the field. He is no more than insurance policy (Jordan is the only one I have empathy for in this situation). Yes he has got millions to hold a clipboard, but I'm sure he wanted the opportunity to fail or succeed in the nfl on his own

A better title would have been “Give The Organization Credit”. Ever since Ron Wolf game to town, the Packers have been putting a good QB on the field. Out of our last 500 games, we’ve had a weak QB on the field for maybe 10 games, most of them by the gum chewer.
In addition to starting The Ironman, we followed up with Rodgers. We’ve had Hasselbeck and Flynn win a couple of games.

This isn’t an accident, or luck, It’s an organization that repeatedly identifies good QBs. Aaron Brooks. Mark Brunell. Ty Detmer. Matt Flynn. We’ve had a few clunkers, like Brohm and Hundley. But still we’ve done a better job of putting a good QB on the field than any other team in the league.

I watched part one of the Lombardi biography that aired on the NFL Channel yesterday, and it was a treat. Looking forward to part two on my DVR.
It's hard to overemphasize how terrible Bart Starr was in his first three seasons before Lombardi came on board with the Packers, and even then it took Lombardi more than one season to fully commit to Starr.
Jerry Kramer has said Starr was like methane gas that is so undetectable as to go unnoticed. In Kramer's rookie year of 1958, Starr threw three touchdowns compared to 12 interceptions when he was on the field, and the team went 1-10-1.
Somehow, some mysterious way, Bart Starr is the greatest quarterback of all time, in my opinion; and even if you disagree, consider that he led the Packers to an unmatched five championships in seven years, with three in a row -- including 15 touchdown passes to only three interceptions in the playoffs and two Super Bowl MVPs.
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A striking thing in the biographical documentary about Vince Lombardi is that as a coach he was about so much more than football, and that his success with the Packers was about so much more than talent.
Lombardi was about succeeding in life by living each day in the pursuit of excellence and character -- as he said, doing the most with whatever attributes we've been given by God to work with.
To discount character is to encourage the selfishness that undermines any endeavor in life, and any organization. Selfishness results in losing.
Watching the Lombardi bio, to me, is witnessing the intangible ingredients that go into champions, which the Packers of today need to make it over the top.
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I think Lombardi would agree that, ultimately, the most important evaluation in life is not necessarily about titles, but about doing things the right way and striving to reach the fullness of potential.
In that spirit, I'd much rather go with Jordan Love this season if Aaron Rodgers is persisting in arrogance.
In limited action, what I've seen from Love is promising talent and admirable determination.
As the example of Starr shows, so much depends on how much Love wants to excel, and how well he is coached.
It would be exciting with all of the other talent on the Packers to see the team grow with Love as the leader.
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Now, if behind the scenes there has been real growth in the attitude of Rodgers, I'd go with him; but it doesn't look good to me that he is missing a voluntary team activity while almost simultaneously golfing with other star quarterbacks in a hyped event.
It's almost June 1st, and if at all possible I'd let go of the diva and start a new era of Love.

The grade for Love is still incomplete. The answer? We don't know. Nobody does.

Why? The kid hasn't been able to start one for full season.

The only way to bring down the learning curve is to be the full-time starter. With Rodgers new deal having the first two years fully guaranteed, I would expect the Packers to exercise Love's 5th year option, especially as Rodgers will be in his 40s by then.

- Peyton Manning threw 28 picks in his rookie year and went 3-13.
- Aaron Rodgers went 6-10 in his first year as the starter, throwing 28 TDs and 13 picks.
- Joe Montana started 7 games in his 2nd season and went 2-5, throwing 9 picks and 15 TDs.
- John Elway started 10 games in his 1st season and went 4-6, throwing 14 picks and 7 TDs (and only 47% completion rate, yikes).

Remember Brett Favre's start with the Falcons in 1991? His first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in a pick six. He only attempted 4 passes in his one season at Atlanta, was intercepted twice, and completed none of them. Favre took one other snap, which resulted in a sack for an eleven-yard loss. Thank goodness Ron Wolf had the foresight to trade for him!

The point: It takes time for these guys to grow, but that growth only truly takes place in regular season games. Practices and pre-season games are nice, but it's not the real deal. We will never know what we have in Jordan Love unless Rodgers gets injured or until he retires.

Love could be a wasted first rounder or the next GOAT (Brady not Rodgers). We'll never know until he is offered the opportunity to play with the first team starters against the opponents first team defense. It is a shame he has yet to be properly vetted. Remember, Rodgers was mediocre his first year starting. Releasing or trade Love without the opportunity of being thrown into the fire???? Would hate to see him become Brett Favre 2.0 for another team.

Forrest, yep Forrest Gump. He is the only one who truly knows; "Jenny, I know what LOVE is".... T.Hanks, T.Hanks much!

If you ain't Forrest Gump for the LOVE OF GOD... reserve judgement until you can't hold judgement no more. Think of Braveheart, good ol' Mel wearing a cheesehead, shouting...hold...HOLD...HOLDDD...!

(it's Rares fault, he poked the sleeping bear!)

Sabrina, who makes $13K/month. Since your making bank, maybe start a GoFundMe for #12....or better yet, start a GoFindMe for #12 (during playoff games).👍

"Entering his third season, the Packers backup quarterback remains a mystery"...thanks CJJ.

Some might call it a beautiful mystery...

Okay, sorry folks...gotta get ready for my new side hustle. I guess I look like a spittin image of Bradley Cooper (though more buff). I have to read the script real close...but something about a stunt double which includes a few love scenes. Oh boyyy...'I am not so much afraid of failing as I am of being a success at something that doesn't matter to me'. Oh, question...how long does it take for a hickey (or 2 or 3) to heal?

Go #10 Go!

Kizer 2.0

First, I agree this is the year Jordan Love needs to show what he has. There have been many well documented disadvantages he has had coming into the league right during the pandemic, as well as not getting many opportunities. I get a real laugh out of so many on here who 'know' Jordan Love was a wasted draft choice, or that he will never be a good QB in the NFL. How Jordan turns out will be written over the next 10-15 years. Yes, I do think he will be in the league for 10+ years. How good will he turn out I have no idea just like all the rest of you.

I do have an interesting take though regarding Love. Everyone knew he was a long-term project so nothing has changed. However, I do think the Packers (including Love) are trying to change his spots. Meaning...Jordan is a gun slinger just like Favre was. He is a risk-taker with a strong arm. He came to the Packers and I believe the team is trying to change his style of play combined with the herculean task of playing behind the best QB of all time with the fewest turnovers/interceptions. In some ways Love is in an enviable situation to learn and watch Rodgers consistently. At the same time....none of us change life long learned behaviors well unless a death, divorce, job loss, etc. Very difficult to do! All of this is stated due to a few comments about Jordan's arm strength and the lobbing of balls in the KC game. I did notice him putting air under the ball in that game. One can look at that negatively, or one can see it as a positive. The positive is instead of trying to strong arm and rifle the ball all the time he was trying to utilize finesse and place it. I am of the mind Love not only is trying to figure out how to be an NFL QB but trying to modify his game style. At some point in time Jordan just has to figure it out and be himself. I think once he does you are going to see not only a confident QB, but a QB that plays significantly better than what he has shown so far. The guy has lots of talent he just has to not think and play how he knows how to. I think we all have to realize he is going to have the ocassional turn-over because he is a gun slinger. There will be good and some bad. ARod is an exception when it comes to turnovers and we need to prepare for the fact that whoever replaces Rodgers is going to have more interceptions.