Cory's Corner: Enough With Silly Christian Watson Expectations

The best expectation for Watson is growth. It's as simple as that. 

I was surprised the Packers traded away a pair of second round picks.

But after seeing that they got a 6-foot-4, 208-pound receiver, I was impressed that general manager Brian Gutekunst had an eye on their guy and went up and got him. 

Now what should we expect from the rookie receiver?

I’ve heard so many people say that Watson needs to have a big year in order to replace Davante Adams’ and Marquez Valdes-Scantling’s offensive production. “How are these guys going to win a Super Bowl without him being a good football player right?” said SI.com’s Packer Central writer Bill Huber on “The Bill Michaels Show.” “It seems impossible to me. If he’s just a run-of-the mill rookie or one of the guys that struggles to find his way. It seems impossible that they could win it all. Talk about pressure right? Devonte Wyatt isn’t under that pressure. Quay Walker isn’t under that pressure.”

I disagree with this 1,000 percent. The Packers didn’t draft the North Dakota State University standout to be the next Jerry Rice. It isn’t like Watson is walking into a situation where he has to score double digit touchdowns or else his rookie campaign is a complete failure. 

What the Packers want to see is growth. They want to see Watson come to training camp in July hungry to learn. They want him to absorb every piece of intelligence that Aaron Rodgers is willing to give him. They want him to learn from his mistakes, rather than pout about them. And most of all, they want him to be a great teammate as he understands how to be a pro. 

So stop placing expectations on a rookie wideout. Huber went on to say, “He’s got to be really good for these guys to have a chance.”

That is absurd. Green Bay is going to have a top 10 or better defense this year. It’s a defense that is going to take chances and get turnovers as it looks to put the offense in good situations. 

That’s why it’s irresponsible to put labels and unnecessary expectations on Watson. Because the best course of action will be to bring Watson along slowly. He doesn’t have to be a Pro Bowler this year for the Packers to be successful. He needs to forge a strong working relationship with Rodgers that will pay dividends in December and January. 

Watson has the measurables to be a very good wideout. He is quick, tall and knows how to get open. But just because he owns those qualities doesn’t mean he has to be great. 

I think Watson will be solid this year, but the relationship with Rodgers is more important than a silly expectation. Watson has never played with a quarterback that knows exactly where a receiver should be after four steps and then where that receiver should be after 10 steps. 

Playing wide receiver for a Packers team that is quarterbacked by Rodgers is a delicate dance. You cannot just throw the balls on the field and expect greatness. Rodgers is going to expect a lot of Watson — before he even throws him the ball. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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NickPerry's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:38 am

I completely agree with Cory here, Watson doesn't have to have a 80 catch, 1200 yard, and 12 TD season for him to be considered successful. But what I would like to see is a steady increase in productivity from the start to the finish of the season. Hopefully that means he doesn't hit the "Rookie Wall" everybody talks about in a players rookie season. Going from what, 12 games to 21, 22, 23, or even 24 games including the preseason is like TWO years at ND State. That's a HUGE difference.

I can't recall if it was Greengold or murf7777 or exactly who it was but they made a GREAT comment yesterday or over the weekend. In their comments they included EVERYBODY, Watson, Doubs, Watkins, Lazard, Cobb, the RB's, TE's, and anyone else who may be catching passes from Rodgers. I believe the total yardage was 4500 yards. IF that were to happen, and Rodgers could pull out say 35 TDs to go with our running game from hell and our NASTY defense, I'd be happy as hell.

Watson and Doubs, all they have to do is contribute and get better hopefully get better throughout. IF that happens with a few WOW plays thrown in, Bill Huber is DEAD WRONG...This team CAN compete for a Lombardi. Especially playing in the NFC!

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:09 am

What rushing game from hell? They were 18th in rushing yards a game and 20th in average yards per carry with an MVP at QB. That's not going to scare defenses.

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:24 am

Good pt LL, we were also middle of the pack in attempts, so it's not like we didn't try. However, keep in mind we lost 2 all pros, a starting C, and had a rookie G. If all goes as planned our line will improve which should improve our rushing attack. This is the area that can make up for the yardage we lost with the Adams trade. Plus the added benefit of tiring defenses by pounding the rock. I'm not expecting good #s from a small college rookie in his first season, 35-400-2 would be fine.

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murf7777's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:09 am

Pete....I agree about the OL injuries, they affected the Packers more then I originally thought. This year will be a telltale. Regarding 35-400-2. I think your average YPC is a bit off. That's about 11.5 YPC, I suspect Watson will be north of 16 YPC. I don't see him as high volume right out of the gate but do see him as a big play receiver and one who will get YAC.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:36 am

Yesss murf7+7+7+7!

The Pack YAC Attack!

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dblbogey's picture

May 10, 2022 at 04:49 pm

If Bakh is the same, if Jenkins recovery goes well, if either of the 3rd and 4th rounders are as good as I hope, we'll have a much better line than we had last year. I'm even more excited about the addition of Wynne to the DL.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:08 pm

Besides Jenkins Turner had the highest PFF grade on the Packers OL last year. Bakhtiari has had good years run blocking but also has had some not so good years. I did like Nijman's effort and attitude in the run game once he settled in. He was looking for work late last season and was often down field around the pile if not part of it.

They did have a much better YPC average in 2020. Pair that with the attempts from last year and they'd have a top 10 rushing offense.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:41 am

They need to focus on efficiency running the ball. I agree on #12: the Packers are unlikely to run the ball more than about 45% of the time with him under center, but if they can move their YPC up into the 4.6 range that would threaten defenses in a different way and create some openings as opponents have to do diligence to defending the box.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:10 pm

They had a 4.8 YPC average in 2020. That would do just fine!

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murf7777's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:15 am

Hey Nick that was me. I feel Watson is going to be one of the pass catchers. I also think and predict he will have a very good rookie year and that means 40-700-5. Not some ridiculous number like some are predicting. That just sets you up for disappointment. Let’s keep in mind, he wasn’t a top 10 draft pick. If he gets more than that it’s pudding on the top.

Actually, I think his biggest value will be stretching the field which will provide others to get catches over the middle. I don’t think they need a #1 pass catcher either. They will win and score a lot of points by spreading the ball to all pass catchers.

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NickPerry's picture

May 11, 2022 at 05:27 am

Hey murf7777...Totally agree with your numbers. IF he could produce numbers like that, you'd have to be happy. IF he produces more it's just gravy. Throw in about 10 rushes on jet sweeps and such for another 150 to 200, hopefully a few TD's thrown in too, and you'd HAVE TO be pleased as hell with that.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:15 am

Agreed Murf!

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Grandfathered's picture

May 12, 2022 at 04:47 pm

40 catches for 700 yds is 17.5 yards per catch. Sounds high, maybe add a few more catches to get in the 11 - 12 yd range at a minimum of 58 catches. Might be doable.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:30 am

"I can't recall if it was Greengold or murf7777 or exactly who it was but they made a GREAT comment yesterday or over the weekend..."

If GG or murf or ? doesn't claim this brainchild by EOB today, I will take one for the team .. :)

Update: it was murf7777...shit..........oh well......

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Savage57's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:40 am

The expectation should be productivity when he's given opportunities. No more, no less. The Packers aren't in as dire shape as people predict. Cobb, Watkins, and Lazard are all veterans, and there's a reasonable chance Gute finds one more vet after June 1 cuts to bring to camp and contest for a roster spot. That leaves the rookies Watson, Doubs, Toure and Davis and holdovers Winfree, Taylor and Rodgers to fight for the last two spots assuming they keep six on the 53. Competition is a good thing.

Now add the TE and RB group and Packers fans will have a chance to see what they've been clamoring for can do; a more distributed passing game resulting in more complexity for opposing defenses where we hear more 'Rodgers has completed passes to eight different receivers' as was once the case with him and certainly Favre.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:11 am

I don't see any more veterans being signed. Pencil in Watson and Doubs for two of those spots. No way to stash those guys on a PS. Third spot goes to Rodgers. They aren't going to give up on a 3rd round receiver after just one year. That leaves the others fighting for a place on the practice squad. Of course injuries could always shake things up.

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whysoserious's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:48 am

I think Toure is going to be better than Doubs. He is more explosive and better after the catch.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:44 pm

I wonder, myself. Toure is a pure Slot WR. We need that on this team, if AR isn’t going to give Amari a chance.

Toure is a great talent, a testament to the WR depth in the recent draft, and I believe a real steal. I like him better than Olave.

Great point, whysoserious.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 10, 2022 at 12:19 pm

If he can stay healthy, he’ll get 30-40 snaps/game with the offense. Half the snaps the ball will go to an RB and Watson will be a blocker. He might get 5 targets/game. Assuming he plays 15 games, and his catch% is around 70%, he might actually have a chance for 50 receptions, at an average of 15 yards would equal 750 yards. That’s my expectation/hope/prediction.

The math on replacing Adams production is actually pretty simple. He had 123 catches last year, and we threw about 10 passes a game at him, and he caught better than half of them despite the best efforts of the defense. 123 divided by 17 games is about 7.2 receptions. I would predict that Watkins/Watson, at the #1 WR position, will actually make up quite a bit of those 123 catches.....maybe about 90-100 between them. Add in one more catch each game for Lazard and we're close to the break even point, even without any increase in contributions from Cobb or Amari Rodgers, or any contributions from the other new guys, like Doubs or Toure, or any increase in productivity from the TE or RB spot.

Does this offense protect the ball? Yes, they were # 1 in the league last year.
Does this offense stay on the field? Yes, they were #1 in Time of Possession last year.
Does this offense score points? Yes, it was #10 in the league (after being #1 the previous year).

I really don't think that replacing Adams-MVS-EQ is going to be the big deal that it's been built up to be. These are good players, with good coaching, and an accurate QB. If they can get open at all, they'll get a chance to catch it. What they do when the ball gets to them will be the acid test. The engine that powers the offense is what we do with our RBs, who get the ball on over half the plays.

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:57 pm

Yeah, unlike some of the handwringers around here, I'm not worried about replacing Adams, MVS, or EQ at all. Defenses will dictate what the offense does. If they play 2 high like they like to do against AR, we run the damn ball, because we'll have the numbers. If they don't have a Safety over the top of Watson, I'm betting AR will exploit their ignorance.

Every team we face, we'll have matchups that will be to our advantage. It will be MaLF's job to exploit those favorable matchups. One game it might be Watkins, one game it might be Big Bob, the next game might be Doubs. I have a feeling most defenses will respect Watson's speed and probably shade a Safety towards his side, but if they don't, I would expect AR and Watson to salivate when he's got one-on-one matchups.

One play at a time. With AR at QB, he can throw most of these guys open whenever he wants. It will be fun seeing this offense evolve and how much it revolves around Watson and Doubs at the beginning of the season vs. the end of the season...

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Rebecca's picture

May 13, 2022 at 01:43 pm

I happen to agree. Also, If I’m correct Aaron Jones caught 52 balls at 7.5 ypc 80% catch rate. 2nd on the team behind Adams. Last year Jones lined up in the backfield, at slot, at wideout, as well as kind of an old fashioned flanker position. He was also a great decoy and blocker in the open field. He and Dillon were both involved in the passing game in a multi-function role. Jones being similar to Kamara in that respect.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:55 am

my expectation for Christian Watson is that he builds great chemistry with Jordan Love so that the future of the GBP looks strong.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:32 am

J-Blood, officially taking down my Farrah Fawcett poster and putting your icon on my wall!

Go JB Go!

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BruceC1960's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:11 am

Can I have your Farrah Fawcett poster

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:36 am

BruceC, come on man! You have to earn it, that right. Come up with stellar comments, insights...study my high IQ thoughts shared on this board without making me bored. :)

Okay, okay, you can have my WKRP in Cincinnati mini poster (which wasn't on my wall to begin with as a consolation prize) and hopefully viewed as a good will gesture. :D

Go BC go...on the floor and out the door, go BC go...just funnin with ya super turbo BC.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 10, 2022 at 04:15 pm

how will you ever see around in your room now with those headlights taken down?

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 04:36 pm

Guess I will have to find my way around the smooth, chrome rear bumper strictly by feel.. :)

(Plus still got Susan Anton and Halle Berry) shhh....

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:19 am

😆

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:26 am

I like it JB!

Great way to stir the hornets nest. Not sure why so many down voted though I am not surprised. Of course Gutey factors all this stuff in when drafting. If Gutey's plan is to keep Jordan Love of course he is looking towards the future as much as short term.

Most on here seem to think three things:
1. Rodgers likely to stick around a few years.
2. It is going to take a few years for Watson to evolve.
3. Love will continue to develop over the next few years in anticipation of Rodgers departure.

Therefore, if true...Love = Watson!

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blondy45's picture

May 12, 2022 at 06:40 pm

I totally agree John Blood & Knock. The draft is for the future not the immediate timeframe for excellence. The vets on the team who have resigned & have been a part of the Pack for more than 1 year are the immediate now contributors. The draft picks as great as they appear on paper, will contribute "gradually". I see more contributions from the Defensive rookies this year. Love needs to show some reliability in training camp this year. Love if he can get his groove on, he will be the benefactor of this great draft class on offense. The defense must carry the Pack early in the year. If Rodgers can work with his teammates, he could make this offense really click. If Rodgers comes into training camp with a goal of helping his young WR's, that will help tremendously. I love the Pack, but if Rodgers does not get out of his me, me, I mode, the Pack will move on NEXT year. Love will love his WR's & OL-MEN which Gute has so nicely stocked the Pack with for the next 4 years minimum.

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Rarescope's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:57 am

My expectations are to see some football players play some football. My hope is that they don’t suck at it.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:35 am

Keeping it simple (with in-bound thoughts) R-scope.
I can appreciate that! Tearing down my Cheryl Tieg's poster off the wall and adding your icon!

Go RS Go!

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BruceC1960's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:13 am

Can I have your Cheryl Tieg poster? Might as well throw in Daisy Duke too.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:24 am

Because I like ya BruceC, you have to EARN a spot on my wall and have big heels to fill in. For now, I am leaning towards you (hey, where the hell is your icon, invisible man?). Hell no, my black light Tweety bird poster is safe for now... :)

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Rarescope's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:56 pm

PB- my avatar is a rare snapshot of the groundhog who lives under my deck. Not sure if he survived the winter. If not I believe the rabbit I’ve been seeing crawl out from under there may be squatting in his old hole (whoops I should save the bedroom talk for the wife). Either way, ground hog or rabbit they’re providing endless distraction for the pack of hounds we live with.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 02:06 pm

RareS, I have to admit...I magnified your avatar and had to smile. Groundhog day baby! If your wife could hear ya now...you wouldn't get any sleep tonight ..:D

Go Rare Go!!!

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porupack's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:58 am

Good Post Cory. Very much agree. The Packer organization is very good at a methodically developing players by bringing them along slowly and combining with mentoring by veteran groupings. It is a very solid approach and successful. Sure, other teams inject their rookies and when a few Chase Claypools emerge, its like the jackpot, but the reality is a multitude of players dont succeed, but crash and burn. So Cory's point applies to Amari Rodgers as well, and for that matter, other 1st and 2nd year players on D as well. It is how the Packers have developed so many successful Olineman out of mid and late round, and UDFAs. Trust the system to develop the most out of raw talent, and dispose of the idea that the draft is a lottery of instant cash. Good organizations develop personnel. Expecations should be high, but have the right expectations. Learn, Grow and produce when given the opportunity, and correct when mistakes. Learn, grow again.

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murf7777's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:19 am

Excellent points porupack….draft and develop that’s the path for all great franchises in the NFL. It also means consistency from the top down, if you keep changing GM’s and Coaches you won’t be successful either.

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:05 am

Yes, and we have the coaching staff to produce successful development.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:23 am

I'd love a James Jones type rookie year with close to 700 yards and a couple of scores (or more). A lot of the WR talent they had developed had a lot of top veterans ahead of them. Maybe they will bring these guys along a little faster if they show the ability, given they might need them more than past teams have needed rookie wideouts.

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Guam's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:04 am

Watson has a ton of natural talent and if the Packers are patient with him (a la Rashan Gary or Davante Adams), they could well have a super star in the making. It just may not happen this year. He is making a big jump in level of competition and that is going to take some time. Let's not kill the kid's confidence with over-the-top expectations for this year.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:30 am

Guam,
I have a feeling both Watson and his dad's expectations are higher than anyone on this board. You have to have serious confidence and belief in yourself in order to be successful at this level.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:05 am

It doesn't have to be Watson but either he or Doubs needs to be up to speed and fairly productive out of the gate. Because if Watkins goes down early they will need to be counted on. Maybe it's Doubs handling a fuller route tree and they give Watson some easy touches besides the deep routes. If they both end up somewhere in the neighborhood of MVS' rookie year things should be looking good by playoff time. If Watkins can stay healthy and the rookies are brought along slowly that would be great too.

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GregC's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:18 am

The comment by Bill Huber is beyond ridiculous. Maybe he's just trying to stir something up, a la Skip Bayless, or maybe he just got too focused on one thing and missed the big picture. The best comparisons are Jordy Nelson and Davante Adams. As a rookie, Nelson had 366 yards and Adams had 466. Watson will probably have less competition for targets than those guys did as rookies. Nelson had to compete with Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and James Jones. Adams had to compete with Nelson (1,519 yards that season) and Randall Cobb (1,287 yards). This year's WR group does not appear to have players of that caliber, but we'll see. Watkins is capable of big numbers if he stays healthy (a big if), and I wouldn't rule out Lazard either. There are too many unknowns to make a meaningful prediction. But Watson doesn't need to be great, he just needs to be a solid #3 option by the end of the season.

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egbertsouse's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:26 am

Huber wasn’t saying Watson is going to get 100 catches and 1200 yards, he is saying he won’t. That’s not unreasonable. He’s wondering where the Packers are going to make up the production they lost when they traded Davante. Also reasonable. Many bloggers and fans seem to think they will get it through the running game. However, I don’t see Diva handing it off 40 times a game. You don’t win MVPs by handing it off. Maybe he starts spreading the ball around. He would have to undo 18 years of “trust “ issues. I’ll believe that when I see it. I think they need to get a veteran WR who can get 70-80 catches.

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:22 am

There is no room for another WR on the roster, unless there is an in season major injury which precipitates a free agent or trade. Yes, AR is a diva, but he has shown the ability to spread the ball around when Adams was injured. I would also hope that another MVP is not his main goal as his HOF mantle has a glaring need of another championship.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:27 am

I think your interpretation of Huber's comment is right on: the Packers right now lack anyone with a proven track record of high-end production as a pass-catcher. That includes Watkins...who has caught fewer passes over the last three years than Aaron Jones.

More so than in the past, this has all the look of a ball-control offense that's going to need to win close games in the 20s this season. I'm very concerned about the Packers' ability to uncover targets at crunch time in close games. They need to find that alpha dog who is going to get open in clutch situations and make big catches. I don't know who that guy is, yet.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:32 am

The illusion of complexity would seem to be called for. That has been less apparent for a while and may be harder with more rookies, but we now need to be willing to revive it.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:37 am

Motion. ARod needs to embrace motion.

Even rookies can do that, and it will help create openings for some of the less-athletic pass-catchers on the field.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:56 am

Exactly. We also need to be willing to use rookies to their strengths and that means formation and personnel changes. We need to be ruthless about determining who has what roles and getting them comfortable with that.

We need to decide if we can use players like Rodgers and Watson best to help them contribute and also to encourage teams to start taking them seriously and defending them to allow others to benefit.

We need to ensure that our active skill players both compliment each other in terms of what they can do and how they are used and we then need to change looks and formations such that rookies can master that within their roles this year. I don’t want to see Watson on the field all the time. I want to see him used in ways he and others have confidence in and thus set up to be effective. That goes for all the receivers whether rookies or injury plagued.

If Watson does no more than block/go deep or run some kinds of sweep/option in year one that’s fine with me: easier for him to learn and develop confidence personally and in others and yet enough that defenders don’t know which he may do. A few successes and his athleticism will start to draw defenders. Use these new pieces wisely and we can be very effective without any player having to be otherworldly.

This will be a very interesting test if just how imaginatively LaFleur really is and how good he is at actually integrating rookies. I’d like this to be the year that we really see h back plays as well as motion and more systematic use of the RBs in the passing game.

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Guam's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:27 am

All good points ColdWorld, but I think this is just as much on Rodgers as it is on LaFleur. Rodgers doesn't like pre-snap motion as it interferes with his ability to read a defense. If Rodgers doesn't change, MLF's "illusion of complexity" offense goes out the window. Both Rodgers and LaFleur are going to have to embrace change to maximize this season's offense.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:36 am

Who likes it or not doesn’t seem to be the salient question. That should be how does one get the most out of this group? That’s what it will take to win.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:20 pm

Having different players in different packages and changing it up a lot wouldn't be a bad idea either. Like MM did in 2011 before he got lazy or bored or whatever. It lets the offense dictate what the defense has to do and keeps Rodgers engaged.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:12 pm

My friend, “Illusion of Complexity,” is… an illusion.

As long as Aaron Rodgers is here? No?

Man, I’m not seein’ it. And, I won’t believe this is a thing until I freaking see it.

If Matt LaFleur wasn’t such a great coach…? I question that a tad… (God forbid we would ever meet, because I would call his ass out onto the floor). Or, had he not been given the keys to a QB1 who can’t think of anything but throwing the goddam football, he’d make one helluva used car salesman.

I’m NOT in this club believing we will see more rushing attempts, more RB receptions, nor more more JET concepts, as much as I believe - wholeheartedly - in this course.

It’s a load of goods we all bought, hook, line & sinker, that we’ve never received. (Granted, we might finally see JETS , because Watson is really good at that).

Aaron. Rodgers. Will HE finally “buy-in” on JET concepts?

(Why do I hear the Moody Blues in my head reviewing this…? Graeme Edge…)

>>> which is why I think Christian Watson is going to put up freakish numbers this season, and could very well earn OROY honors.

*Watson is going to be on the field A LOT, with Allen Lazard. Two exceptional run blockers in the open field. While I may not believe we’ll run more, I do think we will run - a shit ton - more effectively. I see a “learning curve,” for Christian Watson not unlike that which we saw with Eric Stokes last year. Virtually ZERO.

Sue me. This is my core belief in all of this and my 1 bazillion % legit take on everything we are seeing in GB. We bought ALL of Aaron Rodgers. To the point where we might have real, legitimate concerns about Jordan Love actually being traded away. (And, if everything goes right, that might not be all bad and could yield immense future draft capital - maybe to draft another future successor candidate and restart that clock - it’s tough to keep two Franchise QBs).

We’ll see in 3 years.

Until that time, I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be slinging the rock all over the place, possibly eclipsing the 600 passing attempt mark in 2022. He’s done that once before.

I also think we can win the Super Bowl this year. After that? Maybe another… and who knows?

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blondy45's picture

May 12, 2022 at 06:58 pm

Very true Coldworld. The problem here is that Rodgers changes plays at the line of scrimmage often. I wonder if LaFleur really gets the plays he wants played. Rodgers does make good reads and adjusts well, but I believe Rodgers makes more of the final decisions (especially play-off games) on his own. Gute may have a great game plan, but is it always carried out? Rodgers will not be able to wink at Adams and pick up those first downs as in the past years. Rodgers will have to follow the scheme and game plan to succeed this year. My question is, CAN HE?

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 02:08 pm

Maybe we shake things up and go for the Complexity of Illusion instead? :)

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Leatherhead's picture

May 10, 2022 at 05:48 pm

We were the #1 Ball Control Offense in the league last year. First in Time of Possession, first in fewest turnovers.

In LaFleur's first season, his challenge was finding a guy to line up opposite of Adams, who played almost every snap. We brought in three Day 3 guys....Moore, EQ, and MVS. We brought in free agents, like Kumerow. We stole Lazard off a practice squad and he was the one who eventually beat out all those other guys and claimed the position...in part, with some clutch catches against the Lions.. MVS, because he stayed healthy all season and was the #3 guy, caught the most passes of any of them.

You shouldn't be concerned that nobody can get open in crunch time. If guys like Watkins and Cobb and Lazard can't get open, then why the hell are they still in the league? Not because of their speed and potential, that's for sure. Our guys got open enough for Rodgers to complete 70% of his passes. Can we at least stipulate that somebody was open on the completions?

This is on Rodgers. He has to make the offense go. That means getting it to the guys who can move it downfield. I think he can do it...IF....he has enough time. Replacing Adams production....123 catches......will actually be largely offset by Watkins/Watson sharing time at the #1 spot. If they can catch 7 a game between them, that completely makes up for Adams, and that's without any increased contribution from anybody. That's only 3 or 4 catches a game each, including bubble screens.

Adams converted a lot of 3rd downs for us. I'm kind of wondering who's going to be that guy for us this year, because if you want a ball control offense, you have to have some WRs who can get you some easy first downs and keep you on the field. I know it's not as exciting as a guy who can "get deep" and "take the top off" the defense, but it's damn sure important.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 06:59 pm

One of the best perspectives I’ve seen on this.

Toure. He’s better than Olave. Toure.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:32 am

If our defense is as good as many suggest that should mean our offense should have more opportunities and time of possession.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:27 am

I am not expecting Watson to put up monstrous numbers. In fact no rookie under Rodgers has put up monstorous numbers. I believe MVS has the most receiving yards as a rookie with Rodgers at 581 yards. Rookies WR's in GB don't typically put up big numbers. That being said, most of those rookies had established stud WR's there before them. Greg Jennings had Donald Driver. Jordy Nelson had both of them. Randall Cobb had Nelson. Adams had both of them. MVS had Adams. There is no established 'stud' WR this year. This will be a group effort.

My expectations for Watson is that they will find ways to use him in the offense. He won't be the offense like it was with Adams. Watson will be a part of it. They will find ways to use his speed and playmaking ability to help stretch defenses as well as find ways to get the ball in his hands whether its on jet sweeps, screens or something else.

This years offense will be based on the entirety of the offense. It will be based on the RB's, TE's and WR's. We don't have that true stud at WR right now. But we have a lot of really good players. Watkins is a guy to really watch. If he can stay healthy, he could be a huge addition. No he isn't Adams. But he is a guy that with Rodgers could put up very good numbers. One way to help Watkins with injuries is to rotate the WR's more. Which is what I believe what will happen. I think they are going to do a lot more mixing and matching of players.
Lazard I think will have the most number of snaps. He just does everything so well and is a reliable target. But the rest of the WR's I believe they are going to go more based on matchups and how they want to rotate them in. I think they will use anywhere from 4-6 WR's every game in rotation. I think Watson and Doubs will both become a big part of the rotation. Toure is a guy to keep on in camp.

Anyone that doesn't think this team can compete for the trophy, needs to go back to last year and ask themselves if they thought the Bengals were competing for the Super Bowl last year. I am willing to bet 99% of people did not think they would be there. Packers are contenders!

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murf7777's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:55 am

" I think they are going to do a lot more mixing and matching of players."

RC....that's a great comment, one I wasn't thinking about. As you allude to, they will utilize players skills against opponents' weakness. The game is much more complex than we see on TV on gameday. We will need all hands-on deck.

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:29 am

We certainly have many hands to choose from. I'm interested to see if anyone breaks through from our young group from last season: Davis, Dafney, Taylor, Winfree ( 4 receptions vs Cards). I seem to remember someone missing from that game. hmmm

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:24 am

There is no reason Watson could not Match Jefferson's rookie season stats. It is a matter of scheme and commitment. Cousins fed him and Theilen was the possession guy. The one factor that threatens the Meatpackers passing assault is the TE position. The rush four, cover 7 defenses take away the short game as witnessed by the 49r defense in the Playoff game. Rodgers sounds like he will be in town to Work with these guys. Randall Cobb is a favorite , but he is delegated to a four position role as his core injuries have deprived him of his burst. He was a wounded decoy when they propped him on the field in January. I am an old school guy and follow the Gurus of Pro Football: Sid Gilman, Don Coryell, Bill Walsh and Mouse Davis. My crew at three-wide on opening day is Lazard, Watson and Doubs. Blow their minds over at the Feedstore.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:50 pm

Watson’s QB Rating When Targeted was an ELITE 142.9 in 2021.

Trust that the stat is not lost on Aaron Rodgers.

Seems reasonable to venture that he was included in the planning for Gutekunst’s R2 trade up to take him. Add that together, total buy-in from AR, and dynamic, most sought after qualities in any draft for an X receiver, and I’m 100% certain Christian Watson will be placed firmly on a path to superstardom.

Expectations mean nothing. This, I believe, is simply the coming together of two exceptional talents in AR and CW.

Add to that, Romeo Doubs, the #2 Deep Target WR in the draft, and Samori Toure, who broke Randy Moss’ FCS record for Receiving Yards in a Playoff Game, with 303 yds, and a 19.1 YPR 2021 season average at Indiana, and I think both players augment that AR buy-in for this season and beyond.

Hope you like fireworks, because AR just had 200-300 Targets open up to spread around in 2022. He won’t be throwing less than last seasons 531 attempts, a figure he has eclipsed 9 times in his 14 seasons as QB1 in Green Bay.

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murf7777's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:01 am

GG...the ELITE 142.9 QB rating is overrated due to lower end competition. Put Watson in the SEC and the QB rating would be far lower IMO.

That said, he has great upside due to his exceptional speed, work ethic and athleticism. It will take time to develop thou, just like Jordy, Adams and others.

The more I've studied him, the more I like him. Mostly, because of his work ethic and upbringing. He has a chance to be the next great WR in Packers history. Just don't expect too much too soon.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:45 am

Put Watson with Joe Burrow on the LSU squad and do the simulation.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:25 pm

The college QB rating is much different and goes much higher too.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:10 am

First off--remember that QB rating isn't calculated the same way in college as it is in the NFL (where the max score is 158-ish). The max in college FB is over 1200. In the case of NDSU, the TEAM QB rating was over Watson's 142.9 when targeted. Their primary passing QB was about 177 and their primary running QB was about 133. So, in general, just about everyone was looking good in that offense, but the way college rating is calculated inflates numbers by big-play receivers.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:08 am

Watson was bigger, faster and stronger than pretty much anyone on those fields. If you’ve ever played team sports seriously you should know what that means and also that the landscape changes when you jump levels.

Watson has the potential to excel in the NFL, but he will have to improve technique and adapt to the fact that his advantages will be diminished and his matchups faster, stronger, with better technique and more aware than before. That takes time and we need to understand that. Hopefully the coaches do in planning for how they bring him in to the offense.

Some here seem to see this offense as being Watson centric from day one. I hope for his sake and ours as fans that is not how the team sees it.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:28 am

At the same time, I do believe Watson, despite the conference he played in, heavily underutilized in an extreme power rushing program, has:

1. A more Pro ready skill set than probably 95% of the WRs in his draft class.

2. Better run blocking than maybe 97% of the WRs in his class?

Pointing to "Illusion of Complexity," is perfect, because both Allen Lazard and Christian Watson are likely our 2 Top run blockers on the roster.

I have a feeling based upon this that Lazard and Watson will be on the field together the most in 2022. A lot of opportunities for the kid can come from heavy usage, coupled with overt advocacy from QB1 Aaron Rodgers.

We'll see where this goes, but there will be a very large number of Targets to disperse amongst what I am guessing to be 6 or 7 WRs on this roster at any given moment.

Most recent full season Targets (2021 or other):

RB
AJ Dillon 37
Aaron Jones 65

TE
Robert Tonyan 59 (2020)
Merceds Lewis 28
Josiah Deguara 33

WR
Allen Lazard 60
Samy Watkins 55 (2020 w KC)
Randall Cobb 39
Amari Rodgers 8

That adds up to 384 Targets. Aaron Rodgers has thrown more than 2021's 531pass attempts 9 times in his last 12 full season played. He hangs around 550/year.

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:52 am

Agree with you all the way gg. Watson will be on the field, not because of draft status, but because he'll be filling a role the offense needs. I believe they will cross-train CW at all WR positions (like they always do with all our WRs) and he will see the field early and often.

I don't care where he played his college ball. It won't matter where he played his college ball when most NFL CBs still won't be able to keep up with him. Speed doesn't lie. Defenses will have to account for him with a Safety over the top or regret their decision. Rodgers will be all in, and will demand more from Watson and Doubs than most NFL QBs will demand of a rookie WR. When they're on the field, AR will still have to find the open WR and it won't matter if the open WR is Watkins, Watson, Doubs, or Lazard. The open guy will get the ball.

Even if we run a bit more, there will likely be over 500 passes attempted, and those attempts will have to be dispersed more evenly this year with Adams in Vegas.

I expect Watkins, Lazard, Watson, and Doubs will all get plenty of targets this year, because someone has to.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:56 pm

I put two guys on the #one pick list for the wideouts, Watson and Garrett Wilson. Watson fits the WCO profile better than the rest. Pierce is a perimeter guy with the 4.41, he will surprise. Loved the Bearcat offense, similar to LaFleur's. Their coach should move up into the NFL. I had Olave as the Jennings clone with smooth moves as the # 3 guy on the List. They don't select these guys to Block. NOLA went up for him, as expected. Fast track team. Doubs I had a 2nd round rating. The Nevada games were fun to watch. He was a steal.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:02 pm

Totally agree with you, and wonder if GB didn’t have Watson ranked high, in that top 4 realm?

The thing about Olave is his avoidance of contact and his super low YAC, making him utterly useless as a JET concept option.

Toure from the slot is a WR I like much better. Gutekunst gave AR some gems to work with.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:33 am

Doubs and Toure will see the field, but I think it will be limited. It wouldn't surprise me if we see them taking some of those gadget play snaps or running wheel routes out if the backfield to get them in space.

Watson will get his, and by the end of the year I think he will play a bigger role. I expect to see Jones much more involved in the passing game early.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:43 am

I think Doubs will see the field quite a lot as long as he is healthy through the preseason—something that’s very important for all the newer skill players.

It’s going to be interesting to see how this pans out in terms of roster construction. Assuming health, Lazard, Watkins, Watson, Doubs are going to be locks. That’s only 2 primary perimeter types at this point in my view (Watkins and Doubs). Watson I see being used situationally there.

We then need a slot capability. Can we really keep Rodgers and Cobb if Rodgers doesn’t grab that role? One of Winfree and Toure can play there and also outside. That’s what I want in my extra active receiver.

Lazard,
Watkins,
Watson,
Doubs,
Cobb/Rodgers/Toure, (slot types)
Winfree/Toure (potential game day all route depth)

After the first 4 there are some really interesting battles to play out and decisions to be made even discounting the likes of Taylor/Blair/Gafford and assuming our returners come from the main group (Rodgers, Watson, Doubs, Toure, Gafford, Taylor all have some credentials among the WRs).

In addition, the above is WR centric. How does Jones fit in with that? Will we see Dillon as the lead back more and Jones playing slot and maybe even option roles more often? What does that mean for Cobb/Rodgers as slot guys in terms of snaps? How many TE snaps and H back plays?

It’s going to be a very interesting camp. If we come out looking like last year’s offense minus Adams, I will be surprised and disappointed.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:43 am

You are now One with the Universe. I endorse your assessment. If they want plow jockey right, plow jockey left they should draft guys like Wentz to hand the ball off. I would start the season, play #1, Five wides with Jones as a flanker along with Watson. Justin Jefferson is a 4.43-4.5 guy with less elevation. He shared the load with Chase and Terrence Marshall. Bama and OSU copied the LSU schemes, all germinating from The School of Mouse. Include the Bearcats on the list.

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Handsback's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:27 am

OMG…no way that any, repeat any, WR from this years class would catch more than 40 passes this season for the Packers. For Watson, if he catches 20 I would consider it a victory.
That’s not to say he will be a bust, it says he will have to grow into that position. It will take a few years for him to be like Adams if ever. Yes there are exceptions and maybe there’s one in this year’s draft but most say no…it’s a good draft to build depth in the WR position but not a good year for a playmaker to emerge in his rookie year.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:59 am

Put Doubs + Watson on the field with Lazard and your theory is blown completely out of the water. All 3 WRs will take turns burning single coverage with AR picking the high percentage options.

They’ll stack to Watson. Then they’ll stack to Doubs. Then, at some point, opposing Ds will be forced to bring help to cover Lazard, or Watkins… or Toure with his 19.1 YPR coming in…

There is no way Aaron Rodgers will see Christian Watson getting 1.05 receptions per game as any kind of victory.

C’mon.

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:48 am

It was all setup with two runs for 10 yds. LOL

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 12:05 pm

Watson was their One Pick at #28, since they went with the Walker pick at #22 for some reason. Big Bad Bill apparently had him rated lower into round two like Jerrah the pimp showed on his card. Belichick didn't want Wyatt either so the big scale shifted to the Pack, we hope. He jumped on Wyatt and started to deal for his Number One WR, Watson. No takers with the lower end of round one and a greenhorn GM for the queens does a Goldman Sachs spin from his background in failed leverage. Spielman would never make that deal, but good for us. I remember the Lofton and Sharpe selections and everybody with a pulse was in high spirits. None of the FANS expected these one Picks to be nursed along. Formula One may someday come to Elkhart Lake. All GAS, NO BRAKES is in full force on the Cheeseland Circuit.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:30 pm

If they need help to cover Lazard they have a really crappy defense.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:17 am

The primary beneficiaries of Adams' departure will likely be the RBs: I expect Dillon and AJones to catch about 115-ish passes between the two of them in 2022 (AJones will be an outstanding PPR RB this season for FFL). That's a significant chunk of Adams' targets, and likely a lot of high-percentage throws. This will be GOOD for the offense.

I think that if the Packer rookie WRs catch 50-60 passes between them in 2022 (assuming good health among the other WRs), that's about right. Bottom line is that 12 likes to throw the ball downfield and outside the numbers--and that's where you're going to find Watkins, Watson, and Doubs. Again: don't be surprised if Doubs out-catches Watson in 2022...and if he does, it won't mean Watson was a failure, but rather that Doubs is the better route runner with much greater experience and with more of the route tree under his belt.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:36 pm

I think Watson could see more targets than Doubs if they scheme up some manufactured touches for him besides the deep stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right though and Doubs is more productive this year. He played in a heavy passing offense and has a better handle on the full route tree.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:37 am

RB's but also TE if Tonyan is healthy. I believe Tonyan is going to have a huge year.

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stockholder's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:17 am

I expect Watson to have a good year if his body holds up. I Loved the trade up. And I'll say: he can handle the spot light more than any other rookie. Watson only needs confidence. Rodgers has a weapon. And that was worth the price of any extra pick.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 12:10 pm

Rodgers has Three weapons, now hunt a TE. Lewis ain't the guy.

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 10, 2022 at 04:29 pm

Lewis is a great blocking TE. He is what he is, and he's good for a couple good play-action gains when nobody's expecting it. Big Bob can be a weapon, and a TD machine given the opportunity. IDK when he'll be fully healthy, but as long as he's ready to roll come late season, we should be fine. He's on a 1 year prove it deal. If he proves 2020 wasn't a fluke, I think we should probably re-sign him to a market value contract.

What say you?

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:24 pm

Will his blocking sustain at age 38? He was dragging at the end of last season. If he's on a play count, he may survive.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:19 am

I'm curious how different the results would be if the Packers drafted London, Wilson, Olave,
Williams, Dotson, or Burks?

Do people think having Watson vs. one of those guys will have a significantly worse outcome?

I sure don't see it that way.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:36 am

Given the nature of some of those guys--several made their living in the slot--and the Packers use of other WR, RB, and TE might limit the usage of an Olave and definitely on Dotson and Burks in positions to best suit their abilities. London, Wilson, and Watson are probably better-suited to earn snaps in the Packers' offense as guys who play more flanker.

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:48 am

I think that there are questions about all the first round receivers. That said, all are more polished than Watson. The answer to the original question depends on time frame. Watson has the most upside, certainly, in my book.

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Reghamster's picture

May 11, 2022 at 12:09 am

There is some truth in that Dobbers but it is interesting to learn that AR was highest on Burks . One forgets how often Rodgers and the Packers leaned on Tae to pick up short yardage 1Ds with quick outlets on 3rd down etc. I think that the Packers will miss that aspect of Adams game almost as much as the downfield over the shoulder throws . My main worry about Watson is his tendency for drops an issue in his college career and also evident during the recent rookie mini camp. Watson also has limited route running experience and the obvious fact that he played against small time competition . It is doubtful he would necessarily have had the same big catch ratio if he played in the better league whatever division. I think Doubs might have the better early career at least.
Also , I wouldn't rule out the Packers bringing in another quality vet WR despite the large number of receivers they have at camp. One recent article suggested that the asking price for WRS the quality of J Jones , O Beckham among others is bound to lessen and they may prefer a short term contract that might yield them a ring . Besides, who wouldn't mind being balls thrown to by Rodgers ? We can stash a few young WRS on the PS if need be. AR's use of rookies has been limited as everyone knows . Plus it is still rare for rookie WRs to make a quick adjustment . So time to temper the excessive expectations people are placing on the rookies .
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Jaqu’eau's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:53 am

Great article! These great variations in expectations for Watson and the reactions to the process that led to him being drafted underscores the failure of most people to view events as part of a system. Football, like other sports, is a system. Most people think in linear terms or direct causation. We just don’t know what the offense will look like this year with the loss of Adams and the additions of Watson and Doubs (not to mention the influx of talent to the offensive line, one that was already solid). But with Rodgers and LaFleur, it will be dynamic. Who knows, maybe it’s Armari Rodgers who has a breakout year. Then, the linear thinkers will double down on announcing the poor choice of using two draft picks to select Watson for no reason. Until Watson’s sophomore season when he leads the league in all passing categories and leads the packers to their second straight super bowl, this time behind Jordan Love. For me, the joy is in watching it all materialize. Rodgers is a systems thinker. He didn’t will the ‘run the table’, he saw it was materializing and let us in on the secret. Sit back and enjoy this year. There is so much talent on this team. And remember, because of randomness and variation in systems, predicting is for chumps.

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wildbill's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:08 am

Don’t follow the Pats but other than a couple Randy Moss years, when did Brady have an awesome WR1? Sure he had a couple great slot receivers, Welker&Edelman, but what Brady seems really great at is attacking what the defense is giving up.
I’m more interested in Rodgers doing that also. It’s not always the kinda stuff which gets you on the highlight reels but seems to win championships. “You play to win the game”!
Stats are for agents, fantasy leagues, and bar arguments. “Just Win Baby”! GPG!

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:39 pm

I think he had a TE that drew quite a bit of attention. Actually two of them but one of them had a murder problem.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:29 am

Serenity now...serenity now...serenity now...

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Coldworld's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:50 am

No! Serenity ran a terrible 3 cone and 10 yard split. Takes too long to arrive.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:54 am

Thanks CW...my way addicting Reese's s Peanut Butter Cup cereal got sandblasted to the nearby wall...I needed that...thanks! 👍

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:35 am

He did give prior warning with his tag name. LOL

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:40 am

Damn it PK! The super glue on my dentures wasn't completely dry when you threw this thought on the stoop in the front yard.

Sweet pea, where did I put the super glue?

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 05:15 pm

Hahahaha

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:08 am

Okay, back away from the Benefiber and take a big sip of WE WILL BE FINE.

To convey my thoughts I will use Mother Teresa...hope she doesn't object. It really comes down to where you place your thoughts and + or -energy on. [this truly is not meant to be political in any way]. A group of protestors were planning a march against the Vietnam War...they asked Mother Teresa if she would join them. She said NO. The group was stunned that she would not march against the Vietnam War. She then said (hope I got the facts straight?), the day you decide to march for peace, I will be the first in line.

I am going to get behind JLove and Watson and march for those young men. And, hope they don't do a weekly ritual of colon cleansing...I wouldn't take any satisfaction if they shat the bed.

Go Pack Go! Boys, it's your dream, your time...make the best of it. Look up in the stands and if ya see P-burp, just a nod will do...

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:54 am

Cory quote: "What the Packers want to see is growth. They want to see Watson come to training camp in July hungry to learn. They want him to absorb every piece of intelligence that Aaron Rodgers is willing to give him."

Cory, there is a good chance what you want to see is possible with Watson. He scored a 39 on the Wonderlic IQ test given to about 300 potential NFL players prior to the draft. That is the highest IQ test score on the Packers roster and is four points higher than our quarterback, Aaron Rodgers. If Watson has a football IQ anywhere near his academic IQ, we will have a good football player.

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dobber's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:32 am

Other Wonderlic scores for Packers (or former Packers) WR:
Jeff Janis 32
Jordy Nelson 28
Eq. St. Brown 27
Randall Cobb 25
Allen Lazard 25
Greg Jennings 18
Sterling Sharpe 16
James Jones 9

I wouldn't hang too much on the test results. The Wonderlic is not truly an IQ test. Geez, according to IQ test results, I'm a genius--and I guarantee you I am not. All any of these tests really measure is your ability to take that particular test.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:43 am

"I wouldn't hang too much on the test results. The Wonderlic is not truly an IQ test. Geez, according to IQ test results, I'm a genius--and I guarantee you I am not..."

Huh, that thought never crossed my mind Dobber... :D

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PeteK's picture

May 10, 2022 at 10:58 am

Oh no no no, not that Janis name again. The comparison has been haunting me ever since someone mentioned it. Finally thought I had it beat by comparing 40 times ( Janis 4.42- Watson 4.36 ). Horse feathers!!

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:45 pm

I hope this was just some more McGinn BS.

"The mental game: As talented as Walker and Wyatt — Green Bay’s first round draft picks — are, how fast they can grasp the play book should be a concern.

Walker scored a 9 on the 50-question Wonderlic test, while Wyatt had an 8. The NFL average is 19, meaning the Packers’ two first round picks didn't hit that number even when their score was combined."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robreischel/2022/04/30/the-good-bad-and-ugl...

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:44 pm

Just like the Bosa brothers, he has his old man to tutor him since age 5. The guy is better prepped for the pros than most of the headliners. Michael Jordan did not explode in the scoring column every game at NC. He had to play D, pass the ball and learn the fundamentals of the Game. Favre ran a wishbone for his Dad and learned the key to QB play, ball handling.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:47 pm

Too bad his Dad didn't teach him more about the value of not handing the ball to the other team.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:27 pm

Ah shucks, LOL....

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:16 pm

Whoosh.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:41 pm

It's not an IQ test.
The Wonderlic was once given to 1000 college students with C+ GPAs and ALL of them scored a perfect score (which has NEVER been done by a prospective NFL player).
It's a weak test of basic intelligence at best (some have gotten ZERO, despite the fact that you get 15 points alone just for signing your name).

At best, it tests your ability to READ and FOLLOW directions.
Which those zeroes couldn't.

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splitpea1's picture

May 10, 2022 at 11:04 am

Right now Watson is nothing more than a draft pick, regardless of his high second-round status. We'll have to wait and see how he progresses, starting with training camp and preseason. No rush, but put him in situations where he can succeed at first (and that may include special teams) and expand his role from there. We shouldn't be worried about December and January yet. And chemistry with Rodgers may take years to develop, so throw that out for now, too. If Rodgers just focuses on just hitting the open man, whoever it may be, the Packers' offense will be all the better for it.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Scratching the noggin a bit...thinking about fielding a zirconia league using this forum with an abundance of characters possibly spending some of their youth on the Island of Misfit Toys...yes, most definitely my home town! Without knowing your measurables (ht/wt/3 cone/1 cone/40 time/ wonderlic, etc..) In this exercise, I am the player/coach Vince Lombardi of course. I haven't delved into it but thinking of GG manning one ILB position (when fully healed) and Egbert, well... let's see if any injuries occur before we pigeon hole you to one position. ;)

I would be curious if I pick a person weighing 145 lbs as center but hey, if you got the right nasty and nutz to ya...we can work with that.

Okay, going back to the drawing board and the Packer Power Sweep baby! Oh, no worries, I am qualified...just recently watched Sandlot, Rudy, Steel Magnolias, Braveheart, Revenge of the Nerds, I Tonya, Thelma & Louise...and The Little Mermaid. Just to be upfront, I tend not to do well with divas...I am working on this and taking some online courses to be more patient...I am trying. I will have an open door policy but that is mainly due to my flatulence. I will hear you out but I will make the final decisions. Sincerely, Big V.

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Carpy's picture

May 10, 2022 at 12:17 pm

I agree with Cory and most of the commenters here. I think many outsider "experts" are being overly simplistic in their assessment of this team by placing too much focus on the "lack" of quality WR's on this squad. While I must admit I agree it's a lot to ask for rookie WR's to show a ton of production in their rookie campaign (the very rare Justin Jefferson types aside), there's no reason to believe that by mid-season and towards the final quarter Watson cannot be a steady and reliable set of hands. Plus the guy is a known willing and able blocker. That leads me to the second point: with the RB's on this roster and a bunch of O-linemen and TE's who can run block, if Steno can call a good game then we have reason to believe this can be a very balanced offense (perhaps finally!). And don't overlook what GB has done the past few seasons when our top WR's (e.g., Tae and MVS) have been out of the line-up. We have seen ARod look around and utilize his entire WR corps. To me that's when the team has been most productive. I realize a game here and there does not translate to a great passing offense over the course of a season, but I have hope that what we do have in the WR corps coupled with very good running talent, a new O-coordinator who used to coach the O-line.... AND.... what looks to be a very formidable defense, and likely to be much improved ST's (can't be worse!), then this team has as good a chance as any at picking up the hardware known by its legendary namesake. Go Pack!

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:31 pm

This is in reference to the _ _ _ _ _ _ who downvoted this comment. Can anyone who is a Packer fan tell me why this comment would be downvoted? I suspect it is a division rival fan, not a Packer fan.

I know there are 3 guys who follow me around to downvote every comment I make, which is fine with me, because, well, I consider the source, but reading Carpy's comment, I can find nothing to downvote, if you are truly a Packer fan.

/end rant

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 10, 2022 at 01:42 pm

Hey B-dog...not sure? Not saying anyone has a warped mind like mine but any down votes I get are a compliment to me since the voter knows I exist and took the time to respond. Plus, my real golf outings suck, so any down votes are like golf, the lower the score the better. :)

And, most importantly, Carpy actually made really good points and stuck to the Packer topic at hand. Me, not so much...I may have ADHD??? :) So carpy, keep on throwing down your thoughts/opinions please...we are a better forum in the long run...👍👌✌️

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:49 pm

It was Stockholder because there was no mention of speed anywhere!😮

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 10, 2022 at 09:33 pm

LMAO...

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Turophile's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:06 pm

Hey Carpy. Are you the same poster who used to be called carp on other sites and had as his motto 'Carpe Diem' ?

PS 'Carpe Diem' translates as 'Seize the moment !'.

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Turophile's picture

May 10, 2022 at 02:58 pm

All the talk at this time is Christian Watson having to learn to play with Aaron Rodgers (which he will).

What isn't being said is that Aaron Rodgers will also need to adjust to what Christian Watson (and Romeo Doubs) can do early on. If you want rookie receivers to be somewhat effective early on, don't just bury the guy with so much information that he can't absorb anything, which is exactly what happens when you overload someone too heavily. Give him things he can handle and steadily add stuff to build on that.

By the way, I'm sure the coaches should know this truth far better than I do - BUT, how often do you hear a player who admitted that in their rookie year they were overwhelmed. I've heard that - a lot.

Watson (and Doubs) WILL make mistakes............. and what they don't need is a QB who then won't throw to them. They represent the future. It's ok to be demanding, but in equal measure they need help to become, as the saying goes, 'The best that they can be'.
When a WR screws up he needs to be told "You screwed up. You did this when you should have done that" Then you move on to the next play, no grumpy QB or position coach - just point out the mistake and why it is one, then reset for the next play.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:38 pm

Poor Amari Rodgers was on the wrong side of that which you mention here at the end. Aaron Rodgers did much to destroy the rookie’s confidence in 2021. I hope he does more to help rebuild Amari Rodgers’ confidence in 2022.

Great stuff, Turo!

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PhantomII's picture

May 10, 2022 at 03:02 pm

Like some I can pretty much summarily disagree with Cory on most things. I think DA Not wanting to work with AR anymore for less money may just light a fire under AR and make him " WANT TO " put on a show for DA this season. Well that and a cool 50 Mill. I think with this big bucket of money AR feels more " INVOLVED " in these young folks early and gets this team up to speed pronto.... Disagree,
but I can see the wheels turning. This is gonna be a great GB football year. GPG

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SpikeHyzer's picture

May 10, 2022 at 07:38 pm

I almost never agree with Cory and he should never have gotten paid to be a media person.
I have expectations because these are pros, they get to practice and learn how to do things right, and I have hope.
Rodgers does NOT know where a player should be after 4 or 10 steps.
He knows APPROXIMATELY where they should be because the other team is actually playing D and you do have to adjust your route somewhat and improvise a little bit.
Which is true in ALL sports.
Nobody is that perfect over and over. Because you can't be and variables outside of your control--like defenders--get in the way.

Cory always talks like a guy who never made a team in HS but wished he had.

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PhantomII's picture

May 11, 2022 at 06:15 am

DA said he counts in his head x-seconds in AR drop back and looks for the pass. Sound logic for all WR.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

May 19, 2022 at 03:04 pm

We've been doing that in pick up football since 1970.
Yes, it's good to turn when the ball is there and on time, NO you do not EVER know exactly where you will be on the field at the time owing to a defender possibly playing good D and knocking you off your route.

In fact, by the time I entered HS in 1976 and began to play football, we WERE coached, as both receivers and QBs to count, but that's about timing, NOT about being in an exact spot.

You can be in an exact spot when running routes with no defenders, but that NEVER happens IRL with live action and defenders. NEVER.

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NoNonsense's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:40 pm

I'll leave it for others to pump the brakes on expectations for Watson. I don't care how much he has to learn, he does quite a few things pretty well right now and if they just lean on that early while he develops the other parts of his game, he will have an immediate impact on this offense.

The guy needs to be on the field as much as possible. Not to justify his selection at 34 or the extra pick it cost to move up. He needs to be on the field because of his size and speed and his blocking. He is gonna open up the offense and create space for others to make an impact without even touching the ball.

I will be shocked and disappointed if he doesn't at least get the 73 targets that MVS got as a rookie with quite a few more touches as a runner. Whether they choose to use jet sweeps, end arounds or just line him up in the backfield to take a handoffs, he needs to get some manufactured touches in just about every game.

The only thing that held him back at NDSU was opportunity. Put him in any other offense in college and he's most likely a first round pick and maybe the first WR off the board. I'm grateful to have him and really think the sky is the limit for this young man. He is a feisty throwback football player who's not gonna be afraid to get dirty in the run game or physical with DBs in the pass game.

Rumble young man, rumble.

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greengold's picture

May 10, 2022 at 08:47 pm

I couldn’t agree more, NoNonsense.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 11, 2022 at 08:47 am

NoNonsense...let's rumble!

I like it! I feel you may be correct!

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