Where I struggle with House in press, is when he gets shed on a move, it's game over. He has no make up speed.

We probably need more than bodies, we need decent veterans football players. House is a decent veteran football player, and he won't be returning on a Vets minimum deal, it's going to need to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the Tramon deal, not as much, but certainly won't be veterans minimum either.

The thing about House is, unlike most players in Teds Glass Menagerie, this dude plays highly effective, even when he's dinged up a bit. All players by the end of the season are playing with something, but very few are playing with a fractured back. This dude is durable, and reliable. I thought he had a better season last year than most give him credit for.

I've been crying for them to sign the man for over a month. Heres the deal, GB is playing its cards right on this, let him go out, establish his market value, establish where people want him to play, define his role. Then give GB a shot at deciding how he fits, and what we can afford. This team is completely different right now at the GM position. For the first time in years we're functioning like a real football team in the front office. I'd bet they get it done this week, at least I hope so, but he's not going to be a Vets deal.

I agree we need bodies. And before the draft. I just don't think House is the answer right now. House could be an add if a injury happened. We need someone like Breeland or DRC before House.

I read that same article and feel the same way. If TT doesn't go into the draft planning on replacing Heyward, at least one of Randall or Rollins isn't drafted.

As much as I think Pettine will help and this D will be better, I think we're all going to realize it was the perfect storm of TT, Capers MM making this D so inept. I'll never stick up for Capers. But the Packers have 2 of the top 9 highest paid OLBs at a total of around 25 million. And no pass rush. 5 of our last 8 1st and 2nd round picks on secondary and easily have the worst in the league right now. Sorry I doubt that Kevin King will be TTs first often injured high pick to turn it around in the NFL. I get that other GMs missed picks, but most of those GMs also used free agency and other ways to improve their roster. Either that, or their teams turned into the Browns and Jets.

Who knows who was making the stupid personnel decisions. Draft a safety, play him at corner. Draft a basketball player the same year, play him at corner. Draft a safety, play him everywhere. Play Matthews mostly inside and he plays every game and makes AllPro, move him outside again. That wasn't all Capers. Just like a car, there can be more than one major problem at once. Changing one part won't always fix it. I expect the defense to get better and maybe even cover the middle of the field occasionally. And I'd like to see a player or 2 emerge, Biegel or Fackrell or someone. With all the picks spent at least one or 2 should. But I think it will take another year to really get anywhere with this D. Packers look to have like 60 or 80 million next year real easy in cap room

The article is spot on about Randall and shows how a bad decision has contributed to this horrible secondary. I hope that the Gutekunst/Pettine changes stop this misguided philosophy of remapping players to fit systems.

I've been harping on the Heyward domino effect for years. Hoping King isn't yet the latest to fall/fail. It's been a torrent of awful for the last few seasons. House fits nicely with the rut we've been stuck in.

No offense to Zach Kruse, who usually writes good stuff, but that's a synopsis piece with no new information in it.

Every team to some varying degree is about draft-and-develop: it's the easiest way to a healthy salary cap. The more talented young players you have on rookie deals, the better off you are. The more you have to fortify your roster with signings and trades, the less capital you have to retain your better players. The take-home message is that in the NFL, bad drafting is the surest way to run down your roster. This has always been true.

Nick - the entire Hyde, Hayward, Randall, secondary debacle is a case study on how to mess up a defense and some good football players. Throw in Capers and a plethora of injuries and it's a cluster f**k.

As for TT he could f**k up a wet dream. Thanks, Since '61

I agree TT was bad. How can MM come out and say they miss used Randall? Was this a revelation they came to just now or did they know it earlier. If earlier, then TT lost it bad. I believe it was known before. That is why the Pack's front office in Cleveland is using Randall in the right position. TT had to be so stubborn when every one was asking for a real corner. There was only one chimney - TT.

That article is no big revelation that hasn't been discussed or written about before, particularly on these blog pages.

You can sum that up very simply by saying, "Randall was a safety in college, and should have projected to play safety in GB, rather than following some convoluted, hair-brained scheme, to convert him into a CB". We've had that discussion numerous times, about more than one player.

I've never understood this idea that you can take a 20 year old kid and make him play a position he never played in four years (or less) of college. Look how many times that has failed in GB over the last 10 years.

"When it became clear that the better FA CBs were signing for crazy prices, I thought the Packers path forward was to sign 2 vets and draft 2-3 rooks. I'm hopeful that will result in 3 guys that can help on the field in 2018."

Agree....I think that is the most probable scenario at this point, unless some unknown gem falls into our lap.

I'd be fine with this as well, most teams in the league don't have rooms full of top tier CB's just waiting to get on the field.

Totally agree. Guys like House and Williams buy time so that we can build a a long term solution to this secondary. Another real safety and stud CB would make this defense solid in the secondary.

If Pettine simplifies the defensive scheme and we add a little more pass rush firepower, our defense will be better than years past - and - that is an improvement.

Sorry, you’re wrong

You make a good point but it is up to the coaches to keep bad habits from forming and keeping players accountable. I agree leadership is overrated, but having players that are experienced and can share that experience is very valuable.

So you're saying that the Packers, with their 3 signings, have been stuck in panic roster building mode?

Why haven't they signed him yet? I thought he would be back before Williams. Is the reason he's not a packer yet; Because of Whitt? Or the money; and he wants more? He had No issues when he came back. And now he needs to talk? But the talk is not one of leadership. It seems it's to pertect his own scalp. House should have been signed by another team sooner. Dragging his feet only raises questions. I prefer they sign him. But House must get his House in order here. He's not the future. He's back-up. And the facts are he's been hurt. The secondary must change. If he can't see that move on.

Cory, I've learned something in my life. There are no things you must do, barirng one thing - you just must die...

I'm OK with Packers signing Davon House for another year. But, somehow, I think he might have problem to be on 53 after TC....

To me signing House is protection against injuries. I'd rather have him as a backup than some unknown, untried, unheard of UDFA. we had enough of those during the TT era. I also prefer House over former college basketball players.

Let's get back to playing players at the position they belong in and draft players who actually play the positions they are drafted to play. To wit, draft CBs to play CB, not safeties to play CB, or basketball, baseball or Parcheesi players to play CB. Thanks, Since '61

It would have been nice to upgrade at the CB position rather than bring back all the old timers that no other team wants. Uncle Ted must still have some influence.

Ted threw out his philosophy of draft and develop. He put the Packers behind the 8 ball at CB and they are trying to recover desperately. The best thing they can do right now is pressure the QB first, while the secondary recovers and improves. The Packers have been drafting for need in stead of BAP and reaching, hoping to hit lighting in a bottle. Ted was banking on luck instead of skill IMO. He got lucky with AR, hence the mess we're in.

I don't know. With House having two bad seasons in a row, why do we think he'll be markedly better than the young guys we're developing? At any price?

If we sign House, I just see him as a guy competing for a roster spot in camp, not as "quality, veteran depth." I could definitely see him not making the opening 53.

Sign him, don't sign him...who cares?

I'm ok with signing hyde, but not if Breeland ends up signing a low cost 1 year prove it deal elsewhere.

This is inance. Of course he will sign a low ball offer because no one wants him but the packers because he is cheap. Cheap is the mode again this year because the Rodgers deal will break the bank of this club.

It doesn't appear that house has visited anywhere or talked to any other team. A quick Google search shows nothing on him. So was this the plan the whole time, were there talks at the end of last season or is there just no interest in House anywhere but here?

"He needs to get a contract, not because he’s one of the best at his position but because he offers what the Packers don’t have: depth."

The Packers already have depth. They have plenty of bodies. What they need though is quality depth. I'm not sure signing House will do that.

If they do resign, it better be for little or no guarantee. If you just want numbers find one of the myriad of other CB's wandering the planet who are of equal skill and talent who will play for less.