Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Coach Speak

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

RIch Bisaccia:

"I'm just kind of short, bald and Italian, and maybe that makes me mad at everybody … I can’t wait to get up in the morning and coach football. That’s just what I’ve done for so long.” Having known a bunch of short, bald Italian men in my lifetime - he's not lying. Lots of anger and disgust at just about anything and everything, whether it's important or not. 

Q: What makes good special teams?  A: "It's a philosophical start, We're going to try to put a unit together that cares about each other, that knows what to do, competes with relentless effort and improves every day... They have to have an expectation that we have a one play mentality - we don't get three downs to get it right. We have ONE play to make a difference and they have to understand the significance and criticalness of that one particular play.."  I never thought of special teams that way but it makes a lot of sense. You have one chance to get it right out there, so don't screw it up.

Bisaccia said he not only went through every Packers game tape from last year, but also all special teams plays of every NFL team. Paraphrasing here - he uses that as a tool to evaluate other players around the league and how they perform certain fundamental techniques and what kind of effort they play with.

He also indicated that he recommended the Packers sign Pat O'Donnell. Says he tried to get him four years ago, but it didn't work out. Raved about his experience punting in cold weather and his ability as a holder.

Tom Clements:

Good to hear it was Aaron Rodgers' idea to bring him back. Rodgers spoke to LaFleur about it, who then, in his eagerness to make his HOF quarterback happy and return to Green Bay, had discussions with Clements about it and they got the deal done.

Tom Clements advocated for running the ball more - says a lot of Rodgers' explosives" over the early years in Green Bay came because of play action. He hopes that they can continue that. See, even the QB coach says RUN THE BALL!

During his year of retirement, he hung around with his dog, drinking beer (he mentioned Peroni, specifically). On that subject, I always used to laugh at Italian beer - they just didn't know what they were doing. But suddenly Peroni is everywhere and I have to say, they must have brought some actual brewmasters in for help because it doesn't suck anymore.

Clements lamented the loss of the eight weeks of "quarterback school" that Rodgers benefited from. He didn't say it, but you could tell how important he thinks that was to a young quarterback's development. Jordan Love will not have that luxury, so let's be a little more patient with him, even those of you who think they KNOW he'll never amount to anything. 

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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PhantomII's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:13 am

Thanks AL for covering 2 of the changes to the Coaching staff we are looking for improvement. Especially ST and Jordan Loves growth as a QB. I have always believed if you love your coach you are going to get everything they got on the field. Looking forward to this next season and a reinvigorated Packer ST and coaching staff in general. GPG

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Razer's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:23 am

I never really thought of Tom Clements helping Jordan Love but this could be the silver lining in his return. I hope Clements isn't Rodgers exclusive.

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Minniman's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:47 pm

if you love your coach you are going to get everything they got on the field"

The absolute best coaches\mentors\bosses that I experienced had that innate knack of knowing when to use the proverbial carrot and when to use the stick. I'm tipping that Rich Bisaccia knows this distinction (else he'd probably not be coaching anymore), but for a coach, anger alone won't cut it with essentially a bunch of 21-24 year olds.

a good jockey knows when to use the whip, and when not to.

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NickPerry's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:33 am

"They have to have an expectation that we have a one play mentality - we don't get three downs to get it right. We have ONE play to make a difference and they have to understand the significance and criticalness of that one particular play.."

Gotta say I love this approach. You get one chance, one opportunity to make a difference in the game. Just IMAGINE if the Packers ST had done that one even ONE of the ST blunders against SF in January. With Bisaccia now in place, I have to think the Packers ST will pull their 33% along with the offense and defense in winning each game.

Well, I think we knew Clements was a Rodgers idea. I can only hope he's able to get it through Rodgers head in 2022 and beyond. You have the BEST 1-2 punch at RB in the NFL...USE THEM!!

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Savage57's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:05 am

Liked this comment as well.

“It’s not Offense. It's not Defense. It’s We-fense."

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:22 am

Nick, hopefully our special teams can get some early success which I believe will bolster their confidence for even more success later on in the year.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:23 am

You have ONE play to get it right, and the consequences of getting it wrong are substantial.

Which is why.......I think the approach should be "How do we not get it wrong".? I have argued for quite a while that we should take a hard look at what can we do to reduce opportunities for the bottom of the roster to get it wrong. I still think it's the right approach.

Punt out of bounds. Return yardage surrendered in 2022=0. Penalties =0. Injuries=0

Fair catch every punt, and if the punt catcher doesn't think he can catch it cleanly, let it hit the ground. That's still better than a fumbled punt, which is a huge play in a game. Years ago, Antonio Freeman was pressed into punt duty, and when he didn't think he could catch it, he'd let it land. I hated it. It made me crazy. But I have a different perspective now.

A missed field goal has the same net effect as a turnover. The drive ends, you got no points, your opponent has the ball right where you gave it to him. Consider it a turnover.

Never return kicks that you don't have to. If you have to, take it upfield a few steps and hit the ground before you cough it up. When we're kicking off, kick it into the endzone and let them start at the 25. No injuries, no penalties, no returns.

I just think it's crazy to spend vast sums of money of your QB and other starters and then give some 23 year old, bottom of the roster, guy a chance to give the game away on one play. Bad things will happen. We all know that. We've lived it.

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:48 am

Now I'm expecting Eminem at every pre-game warm-up....

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NickPerry's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:13 pm

LOL...I ACTUALLY thought of that when I typed my comment Mark... Funny!!!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:19 am

a unit.."that knows what to do...." now I'm happy...

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Razer's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:09 am

I like Bisaccia. He could very well be the next HC of the Packers. He did a great job of getting the Raiders back on track after the Gruden meltdown. Reminds me a bit of another passionate Italian who coached the Packers.

Not a fan of the Tom Clements hire. Found him arrogant and surly during his McCarthy days just like Winston Moss. I get why he is back, particularly when Aaron called for him. Given that we brought Rodgers back, we need to get him the support that he needs. If he can help - great - if he doesn't work well with the new OC and the rest of the staff then it will be a problem. It will be interesting to see how Lafleur handles this dynamic.

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Savage57's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:02 am

I don't care if Clements steps on baby chicks if he can again help AR's game and assist in Jordan Love's development.

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PeteK's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:29 am

What about kittens and puppies.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

April 13, 2022 at 12:32 pm

Bisaccia will stuff the end zones with puppies and kittens during punting drills to discourage touchbacks.

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:03 am

Maybe that personality is what Rodgers needs to get through to him?

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Razer's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:13 am

I think you are right about the personality thing. Rodgers needs someone to sell a philosophy and stand-up to him.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:53 am

I'm actually happy about the Clements hire for the same reason you dislike it. Clements and Bisaccia are both old school guys and I think it gives a better variety of personalities in the coaching room. I think both will help MLF also refine his coaching.

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egbertsouse's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:23 am

Clements said he thought he was out of football forever and then Rodgers called about the job. Wow, they are not even pretending that LaFleur runs the team anymore. Well, LaFleur is still in charge of arm-flapping. At least until Aaron hires an assistant coach for that.

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Razer's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:26 am

... Well, LaFleur is still in charge of arm-flapping...

Too funny. The Lafleur-Clements dynamic will be interesting. Hopefully, it is the next step in Matt's growth.

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Guam's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:00 am

The local (Wisconsin) paper did an interview with Clements yesterday and Clements said he had just completed a review of the Packer offense and it was a blend of the Shanahan/LaFleur offense and the McCarthy offense of a few years ago. Since McCarthy's entire coaching staff is gone, we know where the McCarthy offense came from - Rodgers.

How much more of the MLF offense will disappear now that McCarthy's QB coach (and Rodgers' favorite QB coach) is back?

If I recall correctly, a big part of the reason MLF was hired was to bring the Shanahan offense (a less QB dependent offense) to Green Bay. MLF has already abdicated the "illusion of complexity" in favor of a static offensive set to allow QB1 to get a better pre-snap read (never mind that the defense also gets a better pre-snap read of a static offense and is therefore less likely to get out of position). MLF was supposed to scheme WRs open, but a static set makes that harder. Will Rodgers remain inflexible on this even without Adams?

MLF had the perfect opportunity to move on from Rodgers this off-season and instead became the biggest management cheerleader to keep Rodgers. I am rapidly losing faith in our new coach. He has a gaudy regular season record, but has also abdicated control of the team to Rodgers. Can he re-establish his authority when Rodgers does retire?

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:51 am

I don't know about that one. If Clements is saying, "Run the ball" then he might be just fine with getting on board with MLF's system.

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:29 am

He might actually get LaFleur closer to running it. That he might be needed to do so raises alarm bells though.

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Guam's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:05 pm

No argument with "run the ball", but I would love to see the "illusion of complexity" come back with shifts and man-in-motion stuff. Clements didn't do that earlier with Rodgers and likely won't do it again given Rodgers' preferences.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:08 am

Don't lose faith, Guam. As a great poet of my generation said "All Things Must Pass". This will too, probably sooner than we expect. And the mixing and matching on offense isn't a bad thing......if something works, why not use it? Because it doesn't match the rest of what you do? If I believed that, I'd never wear brown shoes with a blue suit.

A big problem with the offense in our last two playoff losses was Davantevision. We all know that, but that problem has been solved. I suspect that if we don't have a super successful season, Rodgers might retire. (that would fix a big part of the salary cap problem). If he does, we'll line up in 2023 with a different QB and a real strong team around him.

Try to enjoy the season. A great opportunity in the draft and we should have a really good team again this year.

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:33 am

The O line rearrangement was a big one. Before that Pettine again playing soft in the first half despite LaFleur regularly saying that wouldn’t cut it during the season. The refusal to run often, the lack of any illusion of complexity. … and yes, dantevision, which LaFleur essentially admitted was central to the offense.

The problem is still here.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:24 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that our last two seasons have ended with our best offensive linemen beaten up or unavailable . Makeshift lines, to some extent.

I've come right out and said we need to plan for that. Our #9 offensive lineman will probably be a starter in the playoffs.

The refusal to run often.....you have to convert 3rd downs. And we weren't, largely because of Davantevision, IMO. We were constantly in bad down and distance situations and then the Rodgers to Adams wasn't delivering.

Go back and watch the game again, if you can stomach it. We sucked on 3rd down and a lot of it was Rodgers to Adams.

If we add some skill guys, and get deeper and stronger on the offensive line, this should be as good as any offense in the NFC.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:27 pm

Yosh, an insane head scratcher of a healthy scratch…

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 13, 2022 at 05:34 pm

Get a Fullback, another power back and the TWO OTs Stenavich has requested. The failure was upfront, no doubt.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:12 pm

Ohhhhhhhh, do I have a guy….!!!! … Chig.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 14, 2022 at 10:38 am

1st team All Big Ten. Get two, Lewis should just retire.

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greengold's picture

April 14, 2022 at 10:56 am

Exudes toughness. I love seeing than in anyone's play. About as versatile as it gets.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 14, 2022 at 12:52 pm

He is a move TE and the reason he is ranked down the List. It may come to pass that McBride could be the # 28. I do not see him lasting until #53. Okonkwo would fit the Deguara spot. They need big guys that can get open and work the hook zones while working from Inline position. Kyle Rudolph in his prime.

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Guam's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:09 pm

I will always be a die hard Packer fan LH, but some of the antics of the last two off-seasons are driving me nuts. I just struggle seeing Rodgers as part of the solution. Maybe he will surprise me this year and play well in the playoffs. I will watch and see.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:32 pm

After the Favre stuff, this is nothing. Now THAT was some ugly stuff.

Whether or not Rodgers is a part of the solution, he is going to be our QB for one more season. I expect he'll do a pretty good job of protecting the ball, staying on the field, and scoring points. We should have a pretty good offense this year.

People think that Rodgers has choked away playoff games, but he'd have to be a lot worse to even get in Favre's neighborhood. i'm sure that Rodgers knows he isn't going to get many more chances, and that a good one slipped away last January.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:31 pm

I question this… both have their own darknesses… and, I’ll be damned if he wasn’t a huge part of last year’s opportunities going “ POOF!”

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 13, 2022 at 12:04 pm

It all traces back to Walsh. Maybe some Muc carthy diagrams borrowed from a Lavell Edwards play script.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 12:13 pm

Exactly. Let me share this one last time. If you were going to trade a player for the highest return you could possibly get, would you not become a cheerleader on some level?

NYG. They have the needs, and the assets. Blockbuster.

It’s very possible Rodgers, who likes Jordan Love AND Clements, suggested Clements in Love’s best interests for progressing/transitioning into the starter role at QB.

Have to face it, Aaron might not look at this current Packers roster as his best opportunity to win a SB… like many here.

Trading AR now, at his highest market value, makes the most sense - possibly for everyone involved. This scenario kind of brings it all into a kind of comfort zone for those struggling to reconcile many current moves in GB.

Does anyone think Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t love becoming the face of NY?

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mnbadger's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:04 pm

I don't think Rodgers wants to be in NY. He'd have a much raking press all over his BS. They'd ask questions that he wouldn't answer then he'd pitch a "fake Meda" fit and pout.
In GB, he's treated like royalty. At the end of the day, that's really what king diva wants. A great talent stuck to a messed up head IMO. GPG!

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:10 pm

mnbadger, NYC would be falling all over themselves for him, doing cartwheels. That’s how QB starved and completely apathetic those fans are. I know, with close family ties there…

NYC would be going apeshit if they learned the Giants traded for AR.

Not even one year ago today NYG were running as the #2 trade destination behind DEN for AR after all that S hit the fan. What have they done since? Stockpile draft picks #’s 5, 7, 36, 67, 81, 112 amongst others…

Imagine for a second how much money that would mean to the NFL. Massive cash infusion for the Giants, yes, but even bigger the interest a trade like that would generate in the world’s largest media center.

The thought this might occur make the most sense to me. Driving the team to financial ruin for another year or two of laughs in the regular season does not.

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:34 pm

greengold, it sounds like a dream come true for me.
All the best to Rodgers going to the biggest city ... with the hope that he figures things out as far as humility and is truly happy.
Meanwhile, the Packers would have so much young talent it would be almost overwhelming. A wonderful problem to have.
I'd be giddy with relief and delight.
We can dream, can't we, especially when it seems plausible and seemingly makes sense for all concerned?

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Guam's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:14 pm

GreenGold: NY might love Rodgers, but I suspect it would be unrequited. The Giants are not a very good team right now and won't get better if we take all their draft choices in exchange for Rodgers. Rodgers would be running for his life behind that O-line. Rodgers would want no part of that.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:00 pm

Rodgers, on his way out, knowing what you know, would hate all that attention, playing out his career in New York City??? After which he begins his new career as a Country Music star in Nashville?

The Giants would love the draw of fans, and likely have an easier time attracting FAs because of the city alone, much less a blockbuster deal involving a 4-time MVP. Guam, you know it would be a monster money maker…

Always follow the money.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 14, 2022 at 04:03 pm

greengold,

you may notice that I am one of the strongest supporter of trading Rodgers. But, in this situation, especially when offense is left on young players plus players who will be drafted to offensive side of the ball, I believe it is to early for Jordan Love. He needs strong coaching from person like Tom Clements who is old enough to not allow anyone to disobey his instructions and knowledge. When I read that Tom Clements will be new QBC I was happy, not for Diva, but for Packers and Jordan Love. I believe it is the best move for Jordan Love. Looking at that I believe Jordan needs at least another year under the Tom Clements to become ready to take helm at QB1.

On the other hand, if speculations that Diva knew (what is not out of mind) that Davante will be traded or that he will leave Packers are true, there is question why he is signing the contract with Packers. When you put all info in mix there is one strong possibility that come out as the reason. We knows that in previous contract Aaron negotiated that he has to approve the trade before trade can be done. Still, with the skeleton passing crew left on the Packers' roster nothing was rumored on his trade. I was indicating that there is possibility how Diva's wishing trade partners became reluctant to continue negotiations because of the 2 reasons - first reason would be huge demands for salary and other benefits Diva asked for and second was that teams refuse to continue talks over the DIva's attitude and personality.

If Diva leave Packers next season I bet it will be through retirement, not through trade. I also suspect any franchise at the moment will be willing to trade substantial draft capital for DIva. There is no much franchises willing to bring that kind of character on the team, first and most because he is willing to put in public all dirty laundry. That is something rare franchise is willing to allow.

Of course, this is my opinion, not necessarily the truth, but it is logical conclusion.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:38 pm

My opinion: Trading Rodgers now makes ZERO sense. The only way it makes sense is if there is a QB in waiting you are sure can lead your team to the playoffs. Nobody, including the Packers, can know with any confidence what Jordan Love is going to be. Since the overlying goal is ALWAYS winning a Super Bowl, you stick with your best chance to do so - Aaron Rodgers. The end.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:43 pm

With all due respect, Al, “know?”

I know one thing: all the QBs you reference here were on the couch watching the Super Bowl like the rest of us these past 11 years….

“Know when to hold ‘em. Know when to fold ‘em.”

We also know as a rule there is no such thing as a sure thing. 2010 seemed improbable after the regular season loss to DET. My wife and I will never forget it. She’s a rockstar football/diehard Packer fan too.

Btw, not saying I know, but, I do like the Packers chances of making the playoffs with Jordan Love starting. Very much so.

Actually, it’s kind of weird that way. Everybody wearing a ring had at least a “first,” Super Bowl win. Many of them were improbable. Some great QBs launched themselves into stellar careers by doing so.

If we’re going to lose one, should we get there, I’d rather do so with the house in order, and the franchise QB we’ve been grooming for 2-3 years having the experience of getting as far as he can in leading this team, rather than what could prove an exponentially costly flame out. Again.

Conversely, I’d rather win one with the kid, and a helluva lot more chips!

How much does Aaron Rodgers’ value drop a year from now if he can’t lead this team in closing the deal, or should he suffer an injury? Selling high has its own appeal… on many levels.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:32 pm

Hey, I would have been fine if they had moved on. I said it and wrote it here. But now that all the dominoes have fallen, we cast our lot with Rodgers and hope for the best.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:36 pm

Yeah. I’m happy to see if they pull it off that way, trying to remain supportive, but maybe that moving on thing isn’t necessarily over. Al, I can’t even recall the anomaly in his newly signed deal. Asked TGR about it and he did respond it may have pointed to the possibility another team might have written the language… (have to laugh - my paraphrasing from my crummy memory: a lot of maybes & mights in there, but it was noticeable). For the life of me, I can’t recall… the specific inclusion…

Are there going to be more surprises this Draft Day 1???

Ha... Ho-ly crap! Lol. Two weeks from tomorrow I’ll at least know to grab my helmet before walking out the door!

Btw. THANK YOU, Al & everyone at CHTV! All that do here is really wonderful work, and I’m digging the draft guide! Well done. Really appreciate it.

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:50 pm

I really like the scene in the movie "Hoosiers" where the new coach goes with only four players on the floor rather than put in a guy who is disrespecting the coach.
In this scene, just about everyone is on the side of the player (who had just made a couple of baskets); and just about everyone is yelling at the coach that he's crazy for only playing four against five.
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I would do the same thing with Aaron Rodgers.
If he doesn't come to minicamp, if he doesn't want to play in the preseason, if he wants to overrule the MLF offense in its general scheme and with particular play calls -- if he does indeed do things like that, then I'd bench him behind Jordan Love.
I really would if Rodgers intrudes into the roles of coach and general manager, as it seems has been the case for some time now.
Even if Rodgers stays with the Packers, I'd bench him if he isn't coachable and agreeable; and I would gladly play Love instead, or if the Packers really think he's a flop (which I don't), then get another QB by trade or in the draft.
Even if the Packers win a Super Bowl this year with Rodgers continuing to be a jerk, I'm not happy.
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Rodgers has treated the fans like dirt -- basically holding out for the past two seasons for self-absorbed reasons -- and I truly don't understand why fans put up with it (even aside from the general opinion that he's also let us down big time on the field in the playoffs).
I was too young for the Lombardi years, and started off as a Packers fan in the mostly miserable 1970s and 1980s, and that living in Eagles country and then Bears country while staying loyal.
Those were tough times, and I shudder at having to go through them again.
However, I'd rather risk it than put up with a jerk at quarterback with apparently little to no regard for anyone else who cares about the Packers.
I'm a flawed and faulty person -- even to the point of getting highly discouraged about myself -- but I never want to stop trying striving for high ideals.
When it comes to not putting up with Rodgers, not only do I want to maintain my dignity, but it hurts me severely to see the integrity of the Packers dragged down by an arrogant egotist.
It's selling out, and it's cringeworthy.
Winning isn't the only thing, and I think Vince Lombardi would agree.
Character is more important.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:50 pm

You really shouldn’t keep this stuff inside, Swisch. I wish you’d just come right out and say it…

;-)))))))

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:10 pm

My problem is that I'm just too SUBTLE!!!!!!!

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:09 pm

A dear friend, like a brother, who often pops into my studio and hangs out while I paint, says I put the “ b” in subtle…

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:51 pm

Excellent analysis, Guam, it seems to me.
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Before you brought it up recently, I never considered the possibility that the illusion of complexity has been sidelined due to arrogant Rodgers wanting to do things a different way.
For one thing, it seems just about everyone hates Rodgers at the line of scrimmage running the clock down precariously toward a delay of game penalty.
It would seem to allow the defense to get a better jump on the play if they know the ball won't be snapped until the very last second.
Also, I don't remember all of this supposedly expert analysis of Rodgers during the agonizing ticks of the play clock actually working all that well for sensational plays, or even effective ones.
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Even more important, I've been wondering what happened to that illusion of complexity of simple and subtle offensive creativity -- with players in motion before the snap, and misdirection after the snap -- all to keep the defense guessing and off-balance.
How I'd like to see it, and I would think Coach MLF would be eager to implement his offense even more than me.
After three seasons with Rodgers of some significant success, but also devastating disappointment, I would have thought MLF would have been glad to move on to a different quarterback more coachable.
After all, it appears Rodgers is resistant to MFL in other important ways, as well -- such as Rodgers getting his way as far as the starters playing against the Lions in the meaningless game at the end of the regular season.
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Actually, it seems MLF and front office actually groveled before Rodgers in obsequiously acceding to all of his imperious demands, including a humongous contract for an aging and cantankerous athlete.
If my perception is accurate of Rodgers being a jerk, and MLF and Gute being wimps, the Packers are fundamentally flawed at the top.
I don't see how that translates into a healthy team that overcomes all obstacles to win a Super Bowl. I anticipate another gut punch of failure in the playoffs, instead.
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Is there still a way to trade the scraggly diva before draft day, effective June 1, or whatever?
Please, for the sake of dignity and integrity and character, as well as sanity.

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PhantomII's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:45 pm

This is the worst thing about it>>>YOU HAVE GIVEN THE DEFENSE A 30 SECOND REST TO GEAR UP FOR A RUSH.
I like Patton....ATTACK!!! No huddle their ass into a time out and xtra oxygen.....no player substitutions.

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:07 pm

Good point, Phantomil. Attack!
Also, it seems like a bad idea to do the same thing over and over and over again. Predictability kills, and Rodgers seems predictable in procrastinating until the play clock is near zero, or even past it.
So, I like the idea of attacking most of the time, though it seems good to slow things down once in a while, too. Rodgers just takes it agonizingly too far as far as getting the play started.
As Patton might say: Snap to it.
(It's one of my favorite movies; maybe play the theme song to get the players moving during the games at Lambeau).

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:45 pm

For all the fans of "moving on from Rodgers . . . " what exactly do you think will be the outcome? You think you'll see Division Titles and playoff wins? I doubt that very much. It's not happening with any of the squads that lost Hall of Fame calibre QBs the last several years. They are all floundering. Murphy and Gutey and MLF would be dumb to say goodbye to a generational talent that is not fading, but has won two MVPs in a row.

Will you be happy cheering for Jordan Love and running the ball a lot when the team is 2-6 headed for a 8-9 season? The combined record of the Saints, Pats, Colts and Giants in 2021 without their Title winning QBs was 32-36. I'm just not in a hurry for that.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:51 pm

I see more division titles and playoff wins. Sorry, WestCoast, but, I really do.

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Coldworld's picture

April 14, 2022 at 08:59 am

To me this is too simplistic. It’s not about moving on from Rodgers in isolation. Al stated earlier that it’s a valid strategy to go with Rodgers because he brings the best chance of winning it. My view is that on this team/roster at this time that is not necessarily true.

I am not saying Rodgers is over the hill, I am saying that this roster and combination of cap commitments doesn’t logically lend itself to dunking 50 million a year into ANY QB. At 39 by the playoffs there isn’t a window of time to reshape things to a point where it does or s guarantee that Rodgers is healthy or willing to continue in ‘23 or 24. Add to that the increasing price to pay if he does and the equation gets further unbalanced.

It’s not, in my opinion, Rodgers who is the major cause of us not winning it all recently. It is true that he hasn’t transcended when it counts, but each time he’s been hampered by coaching and planning and by a HC who seems unable to mitigate Rodgers’ worst traits. Increasingly I perceive LaFleur as being unwilling or unable to get the best out of Rodgers, which should be s primary benchmark with any HC and a stand out player at QB and recipient of so much cap. Moreover, LaFleur’s offense as a result looks Rodgers driven as a result of the imbalance between them.

In retaining Rodgers this year we further tilted the power to the player and saw LaFleur openly imploring Rodgers to return. In doing so we significant handicapped future cap and payed a vast amount to Rodgers while being unable to retain his best receiver , losing MVS and thus having one regular holdover receiver, Lazard, who is s valuable piece but not a consistent game breaker.

It’s accepted wisdom that it takes a great deal of luck to find rookie receivers who break out in year one: yet we are so deprived of cap that this is our only available strategy along with perhaps a cheap resurrection type on a prove it deal. In any other year or in the context of any other team we would think that that strategy is crazy for a QB of Rodgers age. It is.

It’s also evidence of a roster built for the post Rodgers era. You don’t pay that money to a QB on a run first team and with possibly the least experienced WR corps since the 1980s. To do so while giving that QB all the leverage and influence over a system that downplays QB excellence even with weapons is even less logical.

Rodgers has shown how he wants to play and, by 38, is unlikely to change dramatically even if he suddenly decided he wanted to. LaFleur has admitted to essentially accepting that and planning for it (see his comments on Adam’s usage after the last loss). Now Rodgers has more leverage but a roster that suits him far less. Through all this focus on Rodgers the team has largely avoided scrutiny of how we got here.

Finally, for all the suggestions that Rodgers wants to win it all, his contract suggests he wants money. It’s a contract that led to an inability to retain Adams or MVS or replace either with s proven FA. It’s a contract at odds with the roster and with the odds of winning it all. If Rodgers is our best chance of winning more than a divisional title, it’s such a minute enhancement because if the above. Such minutia does not justify the cap cost this year and all the dead cap to follow.

If we win this year it’s going to be due in significant part to our running game, our D excelling and our STs being basically functional. For that reason retaining Rodgers on this team at this time and not obtaining both cap relief and picks is ridiculous and has led to some of the greatest continuing irrationality trying to avoid the obvious contradictions. Rodgers took money and the ceding to him of enormous influence to return. I see his rationale. What I and, presumably, we should be interested in is why did the Packers do it.

This team is fighting the odds in many areas to be a contender this year. The cost is the future and the future without Rodgers is inevitable. That’s why it was time to move on to whomever at QB, us the picks and look to 2023 and beyond with a team that could have been a powerhouse built on picks and with money to grab the next starter at QB if needed.

Rodgers will be gone soon. The team won’t be, but it will be less of a team as a result. Unless we win the Super Bowl this year with a bunch of rookies at WR we sold the future for a very unlikely pipe dream. It was time to move on. Rodgers has his compensation, the team doesn’t and, if I’m right, the consequences may be spectacularly turbulent with all the hope fostered.

That’s why. Not that it hasn’t been outlined before, but still the ‘Rodgers as a magical talisman’ mantra remains alive. At least it should now be redundant to keep asking why do people believe we should have moved on (of course it won’t be because that puffery replaced the need to actually have supporting basis for believing that the new contract made any kind of sense),

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stockholder's picture

April 14, 2022 at 04:41 pm

Yep - more Rodgers Hate. Your better than Dash -

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Packers0808's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:46 am

Just me I assumed all along one of the reasons for Mr Clement was to not only work Rodgers but was to really work with and coach up Love to really see his future and potential.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:20 am

I'm not so sure that the assistant GM/QB had Jordan Love's development on his mind when he made the new QB coach hire...

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Savage57's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:53 am

Just for grins

Packers Draft Commandments

1) Remain true to your board
2) Draft the bigs early
3) Thou shall not draft for need
4) Thou shalt not reach
5) Honor thy QB’s wishes
6) Thou shalt not covet thy competitors picks
7) Thou shalt not ignore bloodlines
8) Remember the playoffs; keep them holy
9) Thou shalt not fall in love with measureables
10) Thou shalt not outthink thyself

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Razer's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:10 am

Amen! I worry about 4 and 9. I'll add - Draft players with football instincts.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:31 am

Trust the college video of all the on-field plays and production.

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:34 am

But remember that highlights are exactly that.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:24 pm

Oh, yeah… Always best to try to watch the game films, but, if fans can’t because of time, at least highlights give you a sense of body type, escapability, speed, strength, power, routes, feet, hands, all the stuff. Reading alone, whether reviews or stats can give a false picture.

I was amazed watching some players who you just know belong, and others who probably don’t. My opinion on some hot ones dropped significantly after viewing. Others I didn’t completely appreciate I’m way more interested in.

Night and day stuff. You can tell after a handful of plays, some sense of “sí or no!”

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:53 pm

i believe the King Ted translation is "thou shalt believe thine own eyes before that of a stop watch"

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:25 pm

Bitternotsour wins ALL of tonight’s style points. Ginger, show the man what he’s won!

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mrtundra's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:15 am

11): Thou shalt not put asunder, nor take for granted, Home Field Advantage. Put on thy cleats, for Lambeau is Holy Ground!

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:49 pm

More of the #11, please.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:27 am

#3 will come into play this draft!

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PeteK's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:45 am

I'm a heathen and in my depravity would commit sin #3 twice.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:53 am

LOL

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Swisch's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:46 pm

Good advice and good grins.
My amendments:
(6) Do not make an idol of thy quarterback; listen to his counsel, but do not heed him overmuch.
(8) Seek ye first players of character for teamwork, and the rest will follow, especially in the playoffs.
(11) Make the best of whom thou doth chooseth, not just as players but as persons, and watch them shine.

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jcod3's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:11 am

After listening to Bisaccia I may actually get excited about special teams. If he can create excellence instead of incompetence, it could take us all the way.

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CJ Bauckham's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:17 am

If he can just create mediocrity instead of incompetence, that would still be a giant leap forward

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:18 am

RIch Bisaccia:

I don't care if he is short, bald, Italian or if he is tall, lean and Portuguese. I just want him to come in and turn our special teams around. Perhaps get the players he wants to improve special teams.

Tom Clements:

Clearly Clements is back for Rodgers. But hopefully he can do well for Love as well. Love has talent, He just needs to get the mental aspect of it. Hopefully Clements can do that for him. Whether Love is in GB or gets traded either way the better he does is better for GB.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:29 am

RE: Clements-good points RCP. I think Love needs a little cockiness too. He appears a bit soft for me which translates into no confidence.

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mrtundra's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:20 am

Will Bisaccia do look at our Long Snapper's performance from last season? It seems to me our LS was responsible for things that Bojorquez was being blamed for--i.e. snapping the ball behind Bojorquez. Our LS also watched the opponent, through his legs, race past him, after he hiked the ball. He did not block anyone on a few of those FG attempts.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:32 am

The second LS we had was responsible for not blocking very well but I remember seeing the first LS hike the ball behind the holder and do not remember the second guy doing that so much. It is possible that the second LS did not hike it so well at all times, I just do not remember him doing it.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:29 am

I am all for improved special teams, I hope that RB is the man that turns things around.

I do not think that ST will carry any team to a championship.

I am concerned about the offense and the lack of vision that manifests itself in 3 and outs and unimaginative play calling.

With a brand-new-to-the-gig OC, and a former, influential QB coach hand-picked by the assistant GM/QB alongside a thoroughly cowed HC, it will be the AR offense - which means 70% passes with runs only on tried and true down and distances which will lead to ineffective drives. Along with lots of scowls at the new receiving corps because they are not psychopathic with AR I foresee a frustrating season on offense. The best tools will not be used (AJ x 2) and the defense will carry the team to whatever successes it has.

If this is what the GBP have to offer, I am ready for sweeping changes.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:36 am

You make some good points JB.

My thoughts are that we can expect much better special teams this year and a better defense. The offense should be fine if we can draft the right WR's. Just because they are rookies does not mean they won't be good.

We will learn more about Rodgers' if he comes in early with the rookies to 'build trust' with his new wideouts. This could make all the difference in the world as to how far we go in the playoffs. If he doesn't come to camp early, that says a lot about him....which to me is not good!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:01 am

Hawk,
Sooo true!

We will see which WR's end up in GB and whether AR shows up at OTA's. Will he....likely not! Aaron loves the dramatic and attention. On the flip side I could very easily see AR showing up and doing this big press conference about how he sees the importance of working with his young receivers.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 14, 2022 at 09:51 am

I'm not fortune teller but on this "prediction" I can clearly see the future: "I could very easily see AR showing up and doing this big press conference about how he sees the importance of working with his young receivers." THAT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN.

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MooPack's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:34 am

And so it begins...

[[[According to Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Rodgers is not expected to attend the voluntary portion of the Packers’ offseason program. He has a $50,000 workout bonus tied to him attending three days of offseason workouts, but it is possible that being present for the team’s three-day mandatory minicamp in June will satisfy the requirement.

In other words, the Packers will once again get to devote their attention to the development of Jordan Love this spring — which can only help the team in the long run.]]]

With the respect that Rodgers gives to Clements, let's hope Clements can highly suggest that Rodgers get his arse into camp earlier than later.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:25 am

Leaders lead by example. Rodgers is showing me that the murmurs about his poor leadership may be rooted in fact.

Skipping OTAs is really stupid. Just a poor look. Rodgers must be the self centered narcissist many, many NFL fans claim him to be. Can't he even just show up in flip flops, shorts and a Hawaiian shirt and shake hands with his new and old teammates for a few days?

I read an article about which teams Rodgers would "allow" the Packers to trade him to (a few days before he decided he would play for the Pack). The very long comments section after the article had fans of those teams just destroying Rodgers as an over priced, arrogant jerk. Lots of venom for the man. It was shocking, really. His brand has really suffered...all of it self-inflicted.

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MooPack's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:17 am

At least he has time to play with some highschoolers. The viral Instagram post of him getting picked off and taunted is classic.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:46 pm

I don’t have it in me to loo…oo… I’ll be right back.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 13, 2022 at 05:01 pm

Clements is 68 years old. Let's hope he has that "I'm too old for your bullshit Aaron" thoroughly engaged.

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x24's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:56 am

Peroni is fine if you are comfortable paying a premium price for 11 oz of beer. Plenty of other pilsners out there that pair well with Italian food and yield nearly a full additional ounce of enjoyment

Improving your weakest trait is the fastest way to show improvement. I like what I am hearing from Bisaccia, let's hope we see results in action

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:00 am

I tried this mock draft simulator thing that people have been geeking about. It is mildly addictive but entirely predicated on someone else's generic assessment of players. FWIW PFF doesn't value Pickens or Watson, so I got punished for picking them in the first round by PFF grading. The other premier WRs all went between 10-20, so I never got a sniff at them. Devante Wyatt seemed to fall to me a lot. Probably all garbage.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:06 am

Mark,
I hear you! They are fun and addictive but based on someone's assessment of players. Devontae Wyatt keeps showing up in round 1 and I take him every single time unless Jameson William's is sitting there.

I alternate using 4 different simulators to see where different boards show players. Surprisingly some good WR's show in round 2.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:57 pm

Have you compared Wyatt’s stats to others in his class? Have you watched film on a handful of the top 3-techs? Might help you to feel more freely about who you pick.

All of that stuff is fun to watch.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 14, 2022 at 07:53 am

GG,
Yes, I have watched guys like DeMarvin Leal, Travis Jones, Perrin Winfrey, Matthew Butler, Matt Henningsen, and John Ridgeway. I like all of these guys and their game is all a little different. What I like about Devontae is he has some Kenny Clark in him with ability to penetrate the pocket and pressure the QB from the 3 technique.

Travis Jones is simply a beast and is a run stopper. I really like Winfrey and you appear to be able to line him up pretty much everywhere. Each of the other guys all have positives. With the Packer needs they may end up drafting a DL later in the draft when these linemen are all gone.

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dobber's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:11 am

It's just a different form of fantasy football.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:07 pm

Dobber,
A good summation!

They are fun with all the trade opportunities popping up and so on giving a 'small' picture of what a GM goes thru. However, as I have indicated all along a fans best way to try evaluating players is actually watching a players highlights on youtube, as we do not have the information luxury available that the Scouting Depts do.

Following watching certain players on youtube I have been using four different mock simulators more to see how they have different players rated. Just for comparisons! This morning I ran a quick mock draft on profootballnetwork.com and had what likely is my best draft yet. I made one trade backwards to the 25th spot in round 1, and then picked up #51 in round 2. Here is what I ended up with and I'm thinking 'maybe' just maybe Stockholder you 'might' even find acceptable! :)

Treylon Burks, WR
DeVontae Wyatt, DL
David Ojabo, Edge
Christian Watson, WR
George Pickens, WR (who is my favorite of the three)
Jelani Woods, TE
Rasheed Walker, OT
Marquese Bell, S
James Empey, OC
Velus Jones, WR
Spencer Burford, OT

A couple of thoughts.....the best name of available player in the draft is Smokey Monday at Safety. Love that name!

Frankly, these four WR's are as good as any in the draft and should the Packers have even half the success with WR's as I had in this mock draft I'd be ecstatic. I like all four of these WR's and think George Pickens is the jewel. Even picking up Jelani at TE would be huge for the offense. DeVontae Wyatt and David Ojabo would transform the defense. The only thing I feel I missed was obtaining an Edge for the first 8 or 10 games before Ojabo was ready to play. He is a stud though and worth selecting!

SH.....puhlease.....I am wanting your endorsement! If not, respectfully provide your vision of your draft. As Dobber stated....mock draft simulators are fantasy and only for fun, but let's see your idea of what you would like to see as your ideal draft.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:57 pm

I can't imagine our draft going as well as your draft. Outstanding Knock.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:31 pm

Burks I’m liking a bit more than I thought. His production wasn’t huge against some of the bigger programs with better competition. Then watched more film on him, and, the guy just doesn’t drop a ball… I like the confidence in his play. Looks like he belongs aside from some slop that can be cleaned up.

Wyatt, I’m thinking he really is more of an R2-3 player, after digging deeper. Idk. It’s tough, because the people who do this for a living look for different things, projecting. I have the same feelings about Olave. Seems limited, especially after the catch. His nickname, Bambi, doesn’t exude confidence either.

Ojabo, heard he’s got an Achilles injury. Immediate out for me.

Watson a lot of buzz size/speed, but just 42 rec last year against a very weak schedule. I’m out on him.

Pickens. I wouldn’t draft an ACL knowing I needed a contribution this year.

Woods, I like him a lot.

Walker is a great pick.

Bell is a great late pick.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:41 am

PFF values Pickens and Watson...just not in the first round. It seems their "grades" flow from where you draft players off their Big Board. You get dinged if you pick a prospect higher than PFF ranked him, even if your team really needs a good player at that position.

It is fun though and gives a glimpse how very difficult drafting is...lots of luck in the process too.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:05 pm

I wouldve punished you too. Watson and Pickens dont belong anywhere near the first round. As for Devante Wyatt, hes an excellent player but is alreafy 24 so i wouldnt be surprised if he falls too.

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stockholder's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:09 pm

And Jerel Worthy does.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 14, 2022 at 08:33 am

What does Jerel Worthy have to do with anything? He was drafted by Thompson years ago. Still holding a grudge huh? No wonder you like 12 so much.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 14, 2022 at 03:27 am

Another first-time mocker! Welcome, though I felt obligated to do my first mock draft because I was, after all, writing a series called Mock Draft Monday. 😁

There will be a Mock Draft Monday article on Monday, the 18th. I will look at the draft in general and discuss how to navigate it. I imagine there will be mocks in the comments.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:04 am

I wonder what Bisaccia would say if both his punter and kicker decided to skip OTAs?

Why do I get the feeling it would be different from what Coach Matt told his "too cool for school" selfish QB: "Whatever you want to do Aaron is fine with me. Just get here when you can. Enjoy your Indian Cleanse!"

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dobber's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:10 am

I don't worry about OTAs too much since in those cases, it's mostly the younger players learning the vocabulary and general schemes. It's less important who is throwing them the ball. But once they get to minicamps and beyond, I'd hope that #12 is all in and that he brings his best disapproving stare with him.

They must have promised to get Bisaccia players, otherwise why would he come? I don't think a guy like him who probably still has aspirations to be a HC will want to put those goals on the heels of his ability to pull a "Mighty Ducks" with the menagerie of ST players the Packers have....although the "Flying V" on kick returns might be pretty effective.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:52 am

If it is just a rookie camp for the new guys, why do so many vets show up?

Organized Team Activities are for team building, in my view. When the $50 million QB cannot find 3 days out of his vacation to welcome his new teammates it is a bad look.

Showing up would provide a very good example for the TEAM.

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Winkletsdad's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:08 pm

You hating Aaron Rodgers (he is admittedly a tool) does not mean he needs to be at a voluntary camp. And I mean "needs" in every sense.
He doesn't need your approval for anything.
And he doesn't need the work.
Plenty of vets also don't go to voluntary team events. It means nothing, your approbation aside.

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 05:48 pm

It’s not what Rodgers needs that should be the lens, but what helps to build the best rapport with young catchers the fastest. If it helps them, it helps him and it helps the team. Not being there is wasting an opportunity to get a (sleight) leg up in in a win it all year.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 13, 2022 at 07:00 pm

My stance as well CW. This will help him 'build trust' with the receivers.

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stockholder's picture

April 14, 2022 at 04:45 pm

You keep telling everyone what Rodgers should do. You just don't get it.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 08:45 pm

It’s kinda what the team needs, and, I’m really just at a loss for words.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 14, 2022 at 08:37 am

Its not about our approval. Its about the fact that Rodgers has long had major issues developing chemistry and trust with young receivers. Since its likely he will be throwing to at least 1 or 2 rookie receivers regularly this season, he better get his butt into OTA's and start working with these kids. Still has to get on the same page with Amari Rodgers too. Time for him to really earn that overly bloated salary of his. Beating the Bears and Lions isnt enough anymore.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:15 pm

Dobber,
I think you are likely correct but at the same time the value of AR being there is huge for these young WR's. First, they are young, impressionable, and in awe of him and intimidated. They grew up their whole life watching and hearing about AR. For AR to show up and spend time getting to know each one and giving them confidence by words and action I believe cannot be overlooked. AR would be able to see which WR is struggling or having difficulty and simply by spending a little time with them I believe would be very beneficial. Aaron Rodgers obviously does not need OTA's, but it is unquestionable that a bunch of young unproven WR's and TE's would benefit from his presence.

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Guam's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:21 pm

Spot on Knock! I would give you 10 thumbs up if I could.

It is not about what Rodgers needs, it is about what he can give to his likely very young receiving corps.

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Turophile's picture

April 13, 2022 at 09:13 am

Al. Good comment about Love. I'm getting tired with how many posters (here and elsewhere) are certain, CERTAIN, he is a bust and want him traded to anybody, for anything they can get.

Rodgers may well be here for just 1-2 seasons, after which a QB is needed. Let us at least see if Love can be coached up to be a decent starter-level QB. I'm not expecting another HOF player, someone who can be a solid starter-level guy is a great result.

In this draft, the later round picks are absolutely stuffed with talent. Many players who skipped the covid year have come out this year, so it's a really deep draft. The Packers have 3x 7th round picks which are more valuable this year than most.

I'm expecting most picks from round 4 on, and virtually all 7th round picks to be evaluated for their ST ability as much as for their positional ability. There will be a choice of several very good athletic size/speed types, late on. If (for example) you can't find a high quality RB in the 7th, colour me amazed. There will be highly athletic LBs, TEs, WRs still there - just let Bisaccia have plenty of input on the later picks.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 13, 2022 at 11:26 am

If you want these guys in uniform, on game day, to play special teams, they also have to be able to play a position well, because they're only one play away from being your starter. You're going to have your special teams demons matching up with NFL stars.

If you don't play your starters and key people on special teams, then every punt, return, kick, return, extra point, FG......involves a small group of less than 20 minimum wage guys on the bottom of your roster. So I'd generally pass on drafting a guy because of his special teams ability and more on whether he could start for us if needed. Because often, they're needed.

Agree on the Rodgers situation being short term. 1 or 2 years, but I think if we're not incredibly successful this year, Rodgers might retire. "Quitters never win, and winners never quit, but if you never win and never quit........." (Actual Demotivational Poster at despair.com). As Gutekunst recently said, "it's a year to year situation we're in now".

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:27 pm

Turophile,
With you on the Love hate! Anytime a poster 'KNOWS' someone is never going to be a good player even though the player has not had an opportunity to play it is insightful about that particular poster. I understand impatience, or maybe even frustration over someone being drafted that you might not have wanted but we should all allow a player to develop and demonstrate whether they have 'it' or not.

Jordan is ONLY 23-years of age. If any of these posters ever lost a parent as an adolescent let alone to a suicide you cannot imagine the impact that has on that person. I cannot even imagine what that has done to Jordan. Don't even know if any of that has any bearing with Jordan and his playing. EVERY draft analyst out there prior to Jordan Love being drafted said he is very talented but it is going to take awhile for him to develop. The Packers drafted him with the intention of developing him and they are. He hasn't had many opportunities yet but going into year 3 it is my sense this is the year he starts stacking success. After the 2022 season us fans will likely know what we have in Jordan Love, and how the Packers view him. I'd suggest barring a surprising trade (which I do not see happening) that we all exercise a little patience. We will all know soon enough!

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splitpea1's picture

April 13, 2022 at 11:11 am

As much sense as Bisaccia seems to make, he's still going to need better players if this is going to be a respectable unit. Seeing is believing here....Having watched so much film, hopefully Bisaccia (and Gute) will be keeping their eyes open for any useful players that may be cut; that in addition to consciously drafting players than will help them in this area.

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stockholder's picture

April 13, 2022 at 11:33 am

I love the coach additions. Hell yes: I'm in favor of dumping Love. Even if it's for Jalen Reagor. You know that 5'11 inch guy! That can't play outside. Why? Because this special teams coach will straighten out his butt. And Love is a Bust.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:34 pm

Whenever he actually gets to play and then proceeds to suck (hypothetically), then you can call him a bust. Until then, it's just not smart to do so, regardless of what your opinion of him is.

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stockholder's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:45 pm

Trade him. Get what you can. Thats my opinion. And it's shared by many. When many share that opinion. The pick becomes a " Team " Bust .

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Coldworld's picture

April 13, 2022 at 05:52 pm

Bust like Gary, Dillon, Adams before them and Rodgers too? All have had sizable numbers in favor of deeming them a bust. You will recall being one of the louder voices on more than one.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:37 pm

You took the exact words right out of my mouth. they were all deemed "busts" by the majority of fans.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:13 pm

Asinine.

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stockholder's picture

April 14, 2022 at 06:02 am

Only to Rodger haters. Rodgers will be staying. Several mocks have Love being traded.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 14, 2022 at 08:28 am

Yeah lets trade a highly talented but unproven player at the most important position in sports for a special teams reclamation project. Brilliant. Your hatred for Love has become almost dogmatic like a political ideology or religion. You cant comment about anything without mentioning your undying hatred for him. It must be tiring to have so much anger towards a young kid you've never met and has done absolutely nothing to you to deserve such anger.

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stockholder's picture

April 13, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Ok - Keep him. You'll all find out. And Then it will be too late.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

April 14, 2022 at 08:07 am

What we'll find out, yet again, is this organization knows how to develop quarterbacks better than any other team in football. Why fans continue to doubt this despite the team developing no less than 5 pro bowl qb's over the last 30 years is beyond me. And when he breaks out, the fans like you who didnt want him will be first in line for his jersey.

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:14 pm

OMG, I love this one, Al. Music to my ears! Thank you!!!

I have been dying for top level ST coaching in GB since Nolan Cromwell. It’s been a long wait. Add Tom Clements… couldn’t be a pair of better additions by LaFleur to his coaching staff.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:24 pm

How about Lombardi and Belichick?

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greengold's picture

April 13, 2022 at 10:15 pm

Well… dang.

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beerandbrats's picture

April 13, 2022 at 12:44 pm

Great article Al. I'm glad that we brought in experienced, respected coaches to improve our special teams and QB play. I'm also glad to hear that AR12 continues to seek improvement! Jordan Love should benefit greatly as well. I fully expect that these hires will lead to outstanding special teams and QB play this year!

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wildbill's picture

April 13, 2022 at 01:18 pm

I very happy with the new ST coach being hired. WHAT TOOK SO DAMN LONG?! Don’t have the numbers in front of me but can’t remember the last time I didn’t cringe when our ST was on the field.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 13, 2022 at 02:37 pm

I liked the Bisaccia interview. But then, I liked Drayton’s too. Clements Interview seemed to be lacking in energy. It’s the results that matter.

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LeotisHarris's picture

April 13, 2022 at 03:44 pm

Quite frankly, Al, seeing a headline serving up coach speak, I was, quite frankly, hoping to read some standard coach speak. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised to find an enjoyable article. Did I want more coach speak and cliché? Sure. Did I hope for a tasty pad level reference? Yes. Do I long for the days of highly successful NFL coaches getting back to fundamentals? I do. Sure, we can't always get what we want, quite frankly.

In the meantime, Coach B will bring a new level of professionalism to the coaching staff, and a new level of accountability to the locker room. How can you not like the guy?

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JerseyAl's picture

April 13, 2022 at 04:30 pm

Oh the memories you just stirred up...

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