Aaron Rodgers represents QB maestro Matt LaFleur's biggest challenge yet
-- Establishing a connection with the franchise's cornerstone starting quarterback is undoubtedly one of the most important obstacles facing first-year head coach Matt LaFleur.
Officially introduced as the 15th coach in the Green Bay Packers' distinguished history on Wednesday, LaFleur's pedigree in working with quarterbacks in the past is presumably one of his most favorable qualities.
It'll also aid him in establishing that partnership with Aaron Rodgers, who will be playing under a new head coach for just the second time in his career as the team's starter.
"I can't wait to get to work with him," LaFleur said on Wednesday during his introductory press conference. "I think he's equally excited. There's a lot of work to be done in front of us, but I'm just looking forward to that opportunity."
For the past 13 seasons, Rodgers has answered to Mike McCarthy, who helped lead the Packers to their first Super Bowl title in nearly a decade-and-a-half. In a sense, LaFleur's hiring hints at a similar tune to when McCarthy was hired in 2006.
An experienced offensive mind and a widely-proclaimed "quarterback guru," McCarthy was tasked with fixing Brett Favre after a dismal 2005 campaign. He was majorly responsible for molding Rodgers through his "quarterback school," helping acclimate his passing mechanics and fundamentals before he became Favre's successor in 2008.
In LaFleur's case, he doesn't need to fix anything with Rodgers, but more so find a way to rejuvenate someone whose interest levels and belief in the system have descended below healthy levels. As one of the brightest, most innovative minds in the league today, that should seem like a typical day at the office for LaFleur.
But it all starts with the groundwork: Getting on the same page with Rodgers and accepting the concept that he'll have his ideas and LaFleur will have his own. Conjoin, mesh, transform into a dynamic, offensive-oriented team to keep pace with the rest of the NFL.
That start came early -- before LaFleur was even officially hired or notified that he was the Packers' choice. He received a phone call from Rodgers himself on Monday, and according to LaFleur, it went swimmingly.
"I can tell he's a passionate guy and he wants to win," LaFleur said. "I think that holds true for me as well. So I think we're in alignment there because, like I said before, this game is about winning. I know that he wants to add to his legacy, and the only way we're going to accomplish that is to win a world championship."
According to President and CEO Mark Murphy, the Packers conducted meetings shortly after the season ended with their leadership council which contains team leaders from nine different position groups. The whole purpose being to gather a consensus on what qualities should be sought after in a new head coach.
After their own series of interviews in the midst of what was a busy weekend, nobody really jumped out. Whether you ask Murphy, general manager Brian Gutekunst or Executive Vice President Russ Ball; the Packers weren't sold on any potential hire until their interview with LaFleur on Sunday.
They certainly didn't hesitate to wrap him up to a four-year contract either. LaFleur was officially signed on Tuesday, inking his future in Green Bay.
Rodgers doesn't have his Sean McVay, but with his excellence in playing his position and handfuls of talent on offense, there's no reason why the Packers can't be as successful as the McVay-led Rams.
"Certainly we're going to have a foundation in place of how we run our system," LaFleur told ESPN. "I think it's a system that's really predicated on building the run game with the pass game. We like to have plays, we like to say plays that start off looking the same but are different, plays that play off of plays. It lessens the predictability of what you're trying to do.
"If there's one thing I can say in regards to a guy like Aaron, if you give Aaron time and you are unpredictable, he's going to excel, because we all know what talent he has. That's how we're going to build this thing."
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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].
Comments (92)
TKWorldWide
January 10, 2019 at 06:12 am
A couple O-linemen and a tight end wouldn’t hurt, either.
dobber
January 10, 2019 at 09:56 am
I hope they'll hurt SOMEONE...
Daren726
January 10, 2019 at 06:15 am
Only time will tell. Sounds like Aaron is excited... but it was only one phone call. It will be a lot of work for both of them. Let’s just hope Aaron is up for it, and Lafleur is as advertised.
PAPackerbacker
January 10, 2019 at 06:51 am
The future has yet to be written, but the excitement is there. I'm sure there will be disagreements, but on the other hand I'm sure there will be common ground as well. MLF conducted himself very well during his introduction. He has gained the trust of the brass, now he needs to work on gaining the trust of the rest of the team. I hope he can command the respect from everyone and given a chance to prove what he can do. Let's hope he lives up to his expectations and joins the list as one of the great coaches of the Green Bay Packers. He has some big shoes to fill, but I think he is up to the challenge. Time will tell.
NickPerry
January 10, 2019 at 07:41 am
Because of MLF's reputation working with QB's and the multiple examples on multiple teams while doing it with multiple QB's, I'm liking this hire more and more. Rodgers has said more than once he WANTS to be coached. Well get ready Rodgers because your wish has been granted.
Most know I wanted McDaniels to be the next Packers coach, BUT the hiring of MLF is growing and growing on me by the day. Now it's up to our new HC and our QB who SO MANY here seemed to have given up on and I think they'll be up to that challenge. Rodgers over the course of his career has thrived best when motivated. With all the talk from the "Experts", the media, and his own fans, I'd expect AR to light it up next season.
Murphy has done his job since he wouldn't let Gutekunst do it himself. Now Murphy needs to get the hell out of the way and let MLF build his OWN coaching staff and let Gutekunst build a Championship roster. I have faith in Gutekunst and right now am thankful as hell he didn't sign Mack to all the millions the Bears did, and he's got those 3 picks in the first 45 picks or so. Just look at what the Colts did adding a Guard in Quinton Nelson and a LB in Darious Leonard plus a few FA. Or what the Saints did the year before with a few draft picks. Gute can do the same thing THIS season. Rodgers just needed to be coached and have an offense like MLF is bringing to GB.
JDK52
January 10, 2019 at 09:16 am
Agree with most of what you've said, NP. The only thing I would caution is getting too high on a first-year HC dealing with all the changes this team has and will continue to go through. I probably will take a year to get to the point where we're looking at a legit contender again, but I have confidence we will get there soon.
Bearmeat
January 10, 2019 at 09:24 am
I never wanted McDaniels. Glad he's not the coach. My fav was Fitzgerald, but I understand why he didn't want to take an interview. LaFleur was in my top 3. Despite the offensive ranking from last year, what he managed to do in spots when his team was healthy was very impressive. I think we're going to have a cutting edge, explosive offense for the first time since 2011. And I do think the defense will improve with continuity.
I still think the depth is not there to make a title run. We're going to have to get lucky with injuries, in addition to augmenting the team via the draft and UFA.
Minniman
January 11, 2019 at 02:19 am
"I still think the depth is not there to make a title run."
With so much invested into the next 5 years of Aaron Rodgers career, it isn't difficult to see the Packers being very active in the Free Agency and on the contract restructuring front to replenish that depth......a "home run" draft class this year and next would be the only way that this happens in time for Rodgers' perceived "window".
Re Free Agency this year, is it just my interpretation or are there A LOT of teams with cap space, who are knocking on the proverbial door, and just need a couple of key pieces?
I think that there's some players who get seriously PAID this off-season (more than previously). I also see a number of Safety's getting good coin again too this year!
...... meaning that I may be a bit pessimistic here but I will be pleasantly surprised if enough of those key FA pieces are in the Packers budget or if the "more than the usual number of needy teams with cap space" will over-pay for the talent and drive prices up even for "depth" players.
EddieLeeIvory
January 13, 2019 at 08:13 am
Oh really, you're thankful the Bears have Mack & not us?
Here's the thing about draft picks, even 1st & 2nd rounders: more often than not, they're whiffs.
See Kevin King.
See Damarious Randall.
See Justin Harrell.
See Derek Sherrod.
See Datone Jones.
See Quinten Rollins.
See Brian Brohm.
See Pat Lee.
See Dix. Haha Clinton.
Quentin Nelson was a top-3 talent who the Colts stole ar #6.
There's nobody like him this year, and surely not at #12.
Let's not kid ourselves. Mack is a very rare, special type of talent.
We had an opportunity to add another guy still in his "prime" who could help make a defense get better immediately. We got Reggie White 25+ years ago, and we got Charles Woodson in 2006. This would have made it 3 monsters, and each could have led to a ring.....
Now we gotta go against this guy for 4, 5 years whereas who knows what our draft picks will become like. Ahmad Carroll? Justin Harrell? Josh Jones? Jeremy Thompson? BJ Sander?
Ustabeayooper
January 10, 2019 at 07:49 am
The most important word in this article is unpredictable. Everyone who has watched the pack over the last few years has seen how predictable we have become. Snapping the ball with 1 second on the play clock, running the ball straight ahead on short yardage situations, lack of creative plays using talent available on the roster, no trick plays, continuously making receivers win one on one situations
rather than running a scheme that allows the receiver to get open. We don't have to do this in every game but we have to show that we can do it and make teams have to prepare to defend it.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2019 at 08:19 am
Listening to a local radio show the other day, they talked to the Rams radio guy. No clue who he was. But he was talking about the hiring of LaFluer and what his impact will be on the team. He said basically expect a lot of the game ran through the RB's. Meaning they will do a lot of runs to set up passes. A lot of play action and screens. But they will also us motion to disguise what they are going to do.
But the part that really stood out to me was he said when the Packers played the Rams this season Rodgers told people both before and after the game that he would love to play in an offense like theirs.
If Rodgers is excited about the direction this offense is going to go, that will honestly only mean good things for us!
I don't think we will have any problems with Rodgers wanting to buy into this new scheme. But it will be a huge thing to get each other to be on the same page.
Not only will it help Rodgers but it will help other guys too. Aaron Jones could be an even bigger part in the offense.
I'm looking forward to seeing the new offense!
JonathanSpader
January 10, 2019 at 09:40 am
Packers are going to have to draft a RB at some point in 2019. Jones and Williams just isn't enough depth after trading TY and cutting Mays. Interesting that for the trades Hundley, HHCD, and TY are all FA. Here's hoping MLF can balance out the offense in a way that feels natural not forced like we often saw from MM.
RCPackerFan
January 10, 2019 at 09:49 am
Definitely!!
I would not be surprised if they drafted a RB in the first 4 rounds honestly. They currently have 6 picks in the first 4. It would not surprise me if they drafted one with one of those 6 picks.
I am willing to bet they bring in some UDFA's too.
Honestly its pretty impressive they got anything out of those players that they weren't going to keep after the year anyways.
Minniman
January 11, 2019 at 02:31 am
The 2019 FA RB group has some interesting options but they may either be too expensive (see my previous post) or too risky for the Packers to dabble there........ So I agree, the draft may be the place where they look for that depth.
packerbackerjim
January 10, 2019 at 11:16 am
Funny, I was thinking the same thing and recalling Ironhead Hayward. Haven’t seen his kind before or since. I would like to
See a big back who doesn’t have an eating disorder. A 3 RB rotation akin to the Dolphins of the early 70’s.
D.D.Driver
January 10, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Eddie Lacy? Najeh Davenport?
blacke00
January 10, 2019 at 09:04 am
If you listened to LaFluer"s PC you will notice he made references to setting up the run and giving Rodgers "time to pass". Very interesting! Is that a hint as to where the emphasis will be at draft time? OL heavy? TE early pick? Ahhh! We shall see.
Qoojo
January 10, 2019 at 09:10 am
I think this Rodgers stuff is a bit overblown. If your plan is good, it works, and you can communicate it, then you will get buy-in for it. He has to get more than just Rodgers though.
Since'61
January 10, 2019 at 09:23 am
Agree Qoojo. It's mostly driven for ratings and click bait. The media has become vey good at creating frenzies out of nothing. Thanks to social media everyone has a platform and every chooch out there uses it to express their senseless thoughts without facts to support it.
Thanks, Since '61
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 12:28 pm
The media doesn't have a job if they don't create controversy to get people to listen to them or read what they write. The people that are always negative live for that and are going to find anything they can to be negative on LaFleur.
The rest of us will just wait and see and hope that he can do what Packer's management is convinced he can do. After all, if he fails our lives go on as normal, the complainers keep complaining and they lose their jobs.
Barnacle
January 11, 2019 at 04:57 am
Since ‘61 said
“........every chooch uses it(social media) to voice their senseless thoughts”.
Would you advocate cleansing this site of “every chooch”?
Are all thoughts that are inconsistent with yours “senseless”?
Thanks Since 61.
Bert
January 10, 2019 at 09:49 am
Bingo Qoojo! Way too much focus on AR when in reality LaFleur's biggest challenge as a HC is getting buy-in from all 53 guys on the roster. This is a team effort not just a "fixing AR" effort. Granted AR is a key guy to get onboard but certainly not the end of the challenge by a long ways.
Since'61
January 10, 2019 at 09:19 am
So far so good. I posted earlier this week when so many were concerned if Rodgers would be willing to accept Lafleur that "Rodgers and Lafleur may. have already spoken." That has proved to be true.
It's way too early in this process to tell but it looks and sounds like the Packers are off to a good start.
OL and pass rush heavy are where we good to go with the draft. A safety and a TE would be good as well. we can also sign a Safety and OL depth via FA. The 2019 off season appears to be off to a good start. Thanks, Since '61
Lphill
January 10, 2019 at 09:33 am
I agree also about all the talk of Rodgers being hard to coach was exaggerated, the Guy wants to win and the offense was flat under MM , this was long overdue and I think we will see positive results sooner rather than later. A lot of people here saying Rodgers is done are sadly mistaken.
Community Guy
January 10, 2019 at 09:51 am
i really hope the Packers fortify their defense in the coming draft. between the power that Rodgers wields within the organization, and having an offensive-minded head coach: now, THE ONLY path to getting a good defense is to, once again, prioritize defensive needs in the draft.. that, even if this year's biggest FA signing is also a defender.
Packers0808
January 10, 2019 at 10:10 am
If there is a QB in the first 2 picks they like the Packers better pick one for obvious reasons. Rodgers head has gotten too big and he thinks he knows better than anyone else as to how things should be done! He has become a head case IMO! LaFluer and the Packers have their work cut out for them!
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 10:11 am
I'll wait and see what happens after LaFleur and Rodgers finish getting to know each other and see their agreement on the field.
4thand1
January 10, 2019 at 10:38 am
That's the only thing that anyone can do Taryn, let it play out.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 12:23 pm
Not true 4th and 1. NOT MY HEAD COACH!!
i will protest vehemently this hire as will hundreds of thousands of other people. This was a hope and change part II. A hire based on no actual experience but how it makes a person feel mainly women, who was Murphy's prime target with the hire. We've been thru this before and it was a disaster. This guy has no commanding presence. He's not an alpha male and his offensive rankings are in the high 20's last year. I read here that LaFleur is french for "flower". Are you kidding me? Flower? Again, hate to be prophetic but I started calling him Matty NIce before I heard that as I can't stand people saying "MLF". Matty Nice totally fits. This was the exact type of person I predicted Rodgers would want for his head coach and he was involved in the hiring process believe me. We desperately needed a Trump to be our next head coach instead we got Justin Trudeau.
Trust me when I say the protest outside Lambeau will start to form very shortly. No pink hats or flowers are allowed!!
NOT MY HEAD COACH!!
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 12:32 pm
And you can fly.
Packers0808
January 10, 2019 at 01:36 pm
Seek help!
fastmoving
January 10, 2019 at 02:20 pm
you mean you want an Moron, who never did something in his whole life, who wears a wig and never remember his last sentence. But at least the world is laughing about him, when he is stomping over everything America is all about. While he is running the economy into the ground…….
Ah, ok because Cowherd said so. That makes sense.
At least you can always pray for help, even no one in/out of this world understands your topic.
But all together fits perfekt......
Packmaniac
January 12, 2019 at 12:12 am
I’m pissed at myself for having read every word of the leadoff rant. My bad.
Packer_Fan
January 10, 2019 at 11:21 am
I think the GB job is a big step for LaFleur. Keeping Pettine will help him focus on fewer things. Reading other articles, it seems that LaFleur said and did the right things to put BG, Murphy and Ball at ease. Something the other candidates did not. And I can see that with a guy like McDaniels would have not happened, the ease thing.
REgardless, here is our new coach. Will the Pack be in the hunt next year. I am not counting on it. GB is not a good team. Discipline, attitude and confidence improvement may make them a winner but not a Super Bowl. BG will need to find better players. Thompson left the barn empty, except for Rodgers and a few others. But being on the plus side of .500 will be welcomed relief.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Apparently you can't post videos here. Google the following:
Colin Cowherd questions if Matt LaFleur is ready to be head coach of the Packers.
I think it's spot on. Most of you are deep in the forest of another country all drinking the Kool-Aid. Watch the 4 minute video and tell me why he's wrong.
Bearmeat
January 10, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Um... Because every single thing Cowherd does is an over-the-top ratings grab. Who knows what Cowherd thinks on issue A or B personally? I'm of the opinion that he has interns research which topics will generate the closest to a 50/50 public opinion split and evoke the latest outrage. Which, of course, leads to clicks and downloads.
It's a very HAWT TAEK to say that Aaron Rodgers, whatever his faults, actually runs 1265 Lombardi. It's not true, but it leads to debate. Who wins in that case?
FS1 and Cowherd. And that's the only party that benefits from discussions of that type. If you want to be smart as a fan, don't do MSM in the sports area. Click. Discipline.
That is all.
Since'61
January 10, 2019 at 02:11 pm
Bear meat - Cowherd is all about ratings, click bait and himself. He rarely adds anything of substance to a topic. He is desperately seeking relevance. Thanks, Since ‘61
HankScorpio
January 11, 2019 at 06:39 am
"Cowherd is all about ratings, click bait and himself. He rarely adds anything of substance to a topic. He is desperately seeking relevance."
That sounds familiar.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
" Most of you are deep in the forest of another country all drinking the Kool-Aid."
It's way too early for that statement without giving the new direction a chance, but if things go wrong, I'd raise the price on both Kool-aid and blindfolds as a mad rush to obtain each will equal Black Friday madness.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Taryn, you forget, I have the ability to see into the future where others can't. I am very rare in that regard. I am trying to simply warn you all that this Justin LaFleur has no business being a head coach. Did anyone even watch the live interview? I watched it twice. This guy is a total fraud. The players will not respond to him because he isn't capable of showing that type of alpha male leadership. He talked about looking forward to working with Rodgers but said nothing about anyone else on that team. The entire team was watching that conference. It was a an epic failure on his part to establish his dominance over that team. Rodgers is the head coach of that team. That's what I took from his first introduction. Nothing has changed. The Titanic has officially left Belfast Ireland on it's way to the US.
NOT MY HEAD COACH!!
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 12:51 pm
I'm guessing crescent wrench.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 01:24 pm
I wasn't impressed with his presser either and I will not deny a strong sense that this offense will be more Rodgers wants than the HC wants. I can only hope they can compromise and agree on an offensive scheme that will work.
I cannot see into the future but what separates my thinking from others is I simply don't buy in with extreme,irresponsible, blind optimism with anything, nor do I condemn in same manner anything.
Most have believed that I was a Perry hated before he had a chance and that was wrong, I said Perry will never be the OLB that the many here thought he would be. I said he'd be a really good player in the 4-3 as a DE and he may still be if released by GB. Regretfully, it took 6 years and a disastrous extension for many to see what I saw.
Nobody can see the future but one can see by previous things what will/might have a better chance of failure/success if they simply open their eyes and let the fan bias stay asleep.
I,like you, am not at all impressed by LaFleur but I have no real reason to dismiss him as a failure or future failure. How much time does he get with a HOF QB to begin his tenure, can't say for sure but, if the team isn't a NFC Champion in year two, it won't happen while Rodgers is here and they both likely pack up after year 4.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 01:57 pm
Great comments Taryn. Yeah, I know about your struggles with Perry and all the incoming you took from the herd mentality here. You not only took hits with Perry which you were proven to be right you also took massive hits with Kyler Fackrell, who you were one year too late for supporting but you know what, I am going to give you that win anyway. Nobody saw what you did, nobody including me. All he needed as it turns out was a chance for more playing time. I am sure that guy made you real proud this season. One of the lone bright spots this season. Is it just me or does Andrew Luck and Kyler Fackrell look like brothers?
As for Justin LaFleur, I don't need more time to "wait and see" as others are claiming to do. I am just coming out and saying what I already see. This is not going to work. It's wishful thinking. Murphy basically picked a head coach for Rodgers but mainly for the women. He's done the studies. He has all the marketing stats in front of him on who the main purchasers of Packers merchandise are and who are the majority showing up at his new theme park. It's women!! What does Murphy do? Fires old fat unattractive white guy and replaces with young, better fit, better looking white guy. Canada made the same mistake electing pretty boy Justin Trudeau and they are paying for it. We are just in the beginning stages. If only a real head coach like Rex Ryan dyed his hair and lost some weight. Maybe just maybe? When Murphy was talking the right "fit" for the Packers ,who knew he was looking for a waist size.
NOT MY HEAD COACH!!
Since'61
January 10, 2019 at 02:21 pm
I was listening to James Jones on WFAN in NY and believes that LaFleur will be an excellent coach and leader for the Packers. He thinks that he will be able to relate to the players and gain their respect.
Jones also noted that MM had no control over personnel in Green Bay and that MM wanted to retain many of the players who were not re-signed. He did not mention names but I think he was speaking of Hyde, Hayward and Jordy at least. He also stated that Rodgers and MM had a great relationship right up until the end and that while they sometimes disagreed their alleged failure to get along has been totally overblown by the media.
Dash, why not just give LaFleur a chance. However if you can see into the future can you give us all the Power Ball or Mega Millions numbers for this week or next and then everyone here on the blog can retire wealthy with me by the end of this year. Thanks, Since ‘61
SoCalJim
January 10, 2019 at 02:27 pm
Since '61, I think under careful examination, you'll see Dash's tongue planted firmly in his cheek.
Minniman
January 11, 2019 at 03:00 am
"Jones also noted that MM had no control over personnel in Green Bay and that MM wanted to retain many of the players who were not re-signed."
That whole detachment between TT, MM and Dom Capers regarding player retention that is increasingly coming out still troubles me - and it is on the strength of that point that I now agree with your past damnation of Mark Murphy............. No executive of a professional organization should have allowed that to even start to evolve.
packergal
January 10, 2019 at 02:46 pm
Dash writes..." I am trying to simply warn you all that this Justin LaFleur has no business being a head coach."...
"Justin" LaFleur. Now that is actually funny and very creative, Dash!
I agree with you that Justin does not present as an Alpha Male. But I also think Taryn's post that we wait to comment after the results is appropriate.
Regardless, you're always an interesting read!
Vive La Pack!
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 03:30 pm
Why thank you packergal. I enjoy you as well.
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Better add heating pads to the list Taryn. If that happens a lot of people will strain muscles trying to pat themselves on the back saying they told us so.
Packerpasty
January 10, 2019 at 01:02 pm
thats his job, clickbait and cause controversy....hey Dash, isn't coward the same guy who said McCarthy would be out of a job for a day or so..haha...he hates the packers, any one with any logic would say to himself .."lets wait and see".....and I just put a few of your recent comments into Notes,,,,just incase I need to remind you next year what your prediction was...
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 01:16 pm
I don't listen to this guy. Someone who does listen to him sent me the video. I don't care if it's "clickbait". I wanted people to watch the video and comment on what he said (the actual content) not your opinion on who you think he is and why. So far nobody has commented on his comments. What he said I agreed with. Please listen to what he actually said and tell me your thoughts. He said everything I was thinking in the news conference. If I think that and this Colin guy whoever he is thinks that there's a ton of other highly intelligent people out there who also think that. Most here are officially under the "hope and change" plan hoping this guy will bring them to the promised land. I don't see it. I see this guy taking cues from Rodgers and heading us into the iceberg.
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 01:24 pm
Could be a socket wrench....
Packers0808
January 10, 2019 at 01:40 pm
Gee Hope you don't put yourself in that highly intelligent group! Although I think this group needs another good hardy laugh!
ricky
January 10, 2019 at 12:34 pm
If the Rams win on Saturday night, it will be McVey's first playoff win. So, all this talk about how "successful" he's been need to be limited to regular season production. Which is nice, but irrelevant if you don't win in the post season.
D.D.Driver
January 10, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Right? There is all this talk about McVey, Shanahan and Nagy, etc. *None* of those guys has ever won a single playoff game. Shanahan has never guided a team to more than 6 wins. While the hype may some day be warranted, its way too premature right now.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 12:59 pm
Yes and yes to you DD. Driver and Ricky.
Dash
JohnnyLogan
January 10, 2019 at 02:37 pm
All the discussion why he was hired no longer the issue. He was hired. He didn't come out of college, he's been a pro coach for years. Knows the NFL. He's got a tough, smart defensive coach already in place. Pettine is like a tough Sergeant to this young 1st Lieutenant. I've known terrific 1st Lieutenants who you'd follow anywhere. Will he become a General Lombardi? Why not? Because he was a little nervous at a press conference? I was nervous the first time I jumped out of a plane too. Lombardi's greatest qualities; motivating men, and knowing football. Preaching my guy has to beat your guy. A seal here, a seal here, and we run it up the alley. I see something in this young Lieutenant, determination, intelligence, and I think the Packer players will see it as well.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 03:04 pm
Very possible and very possible he 's the LT that gets shot by his own men for cowardice.
Let's see what kind of squad he has to go do battle with come Aug and witness some war games first.
Who knows...The High Command may already think the war is won with his hiring and no more artillery is needed except for the ONE....as they've proved to do again and again and again.
SoCalJim
January 10, 2019 at 03:07 pm
The Packers have already cut loose Ron Zook, Taryn, so the chances of a friendly fire accident have diminished.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 03:58 pm
Yes, one bullet spent but the hesitancy of the trigger pulling can be an issue still moving forward.
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 03:15 pm
Well if it doesn't work out Taryn, I'm confident you'll be here to remind us over, and over and over again.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 03:47 pm
I suggest perhaps listening the first time.
However, I haven't made a claim with LaFleur as I had with numerous players. Making a claim about a HC is much deeper and harder as even those thought to be really good have failed...to many reasons, as seen of recent in GB....namely...GM and FO failures.
I'll stick with players...easier to see if it's scheme, individual use, player talent etc.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 03:34 pm
"Very possible and very possible he 's the LT that gets shot by his own men for cowardice."
lol.. This is why I love reading what you have to say. This stuff is priceless but could also turn out to be oh so true. I actually see this happening.
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 03:43 pm
We're all humbled Rash by the fact that you can see into the future. Definitely concerning that you and Taryn are predicting LaFleur failing and the possibility of people getting shot for cowardice and stuff.
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 03:50 pm
I said no such thing Lare...I said wait and see...give him the chance.
Take things out of context much do ya?
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 04:00 pm
Oh my God, I see Lyin' Lare is doing it again. Taryn, Lyin' Lare works for CNN apparently. He literally makes things up in his head to fit his narrative then claims other people said it. He's done this to me, Oppy and now you. All in the past couple days. I can't imagine how many others are victims to his fake news and don't even know it. He's a disgrace.
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 04:08 pm
Golly Gee, I sincerely apologize if I said something incorrect or to hurt your feelings Rash, you're highly respected here for constantly being positive and supporting the team that you love, the Green Bay Packers.
Hopefully, you'll be able to forgive me and someday rise above having to call people names.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 04:34 pm
My name is Dash Riprock not Golly Gee. You need to knock off your bad habit on making shit up that people said. You've done it to three highly respected people here in the past couple days in Oppy, Taryn and myself. Perhaps that's why you do it. You are not respected Lare because you lie. You are most likely the guy who not only makes up lies but also makes up fake names and pretends to be me. Jersey Al, check out Rash Diprock's IP and Lare's Ip. I believe you will see they are the same. When you see they match than ban his ass. Nobody should be able to go around posing as other people in the name of trolling.
Thanks,Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 04:02 pm
Sorry if I mischaracterized what you said in any way Taryn, I just thought that "very possible" means a little more possible than "wait and see".
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 04:37 pm
Another weasel apology. Too late Lyin' Lare. Too late. You pushed it too far this time. Lots of weasels here today. Wow!!
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 04:48 pm
Don't understand or respect all the name calling, but if it makes you feel better about yourself I always say do what you have to do.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 05:03 pm
Aren't you the guy name calling and making up fake names to mock others? Again, you say one thing and do the exact opposite. You wonder why people are starting to catch on to your game Lare. Oppy, Taryn and myself. We are not dummies Lare. We know what you are up too. Please asking you nicely to knock it off and quit trolling.
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 05:17 pm
Making up fake names to mock others, nope, not me. You've got someone else doing that.
I'll continue to mock those who constantly make up stuff to criticize the Packers while calling themselves "fans" though. But I'll do it under my own name and I won't bring politics into it. Politicians do a good enough job on their own to make themselves look foolish, they don't need my help.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 05:37 pm
Hi Jersey Al, this guy is so mixed up he actually gave the answer as to why he's actually the guy who made up the name and is mocking me. He's a social justice warrior mocking those who he feels mocks the Packers and calls themselves "fans". He actually said he's the guy doing it without realizing it. lol Check his IP and ban him so we don't have this stuff happening again. Lare's political views are the reason he's unhinged sadly. This all started with my comment on the USFL. He needs to go for the betterment of the group. Check his IP with Rash Diprocks than end it. It will 100 percent be the same.
Thanks,
Dash
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 05:43 pm
Might want to check with your elders and make sure you're on your meds Dash.
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 06:37 pm
Tick tock Lare. You better get your goodbyes in quickly. Jersey Al, check his IP out with Rash Diprocks. Let's get this done.
Oppy
January 10, 2019 at 07:15 pm
Please don't include me in your beef with Lare.
Maybe you haven't changed over the years.
SoCalJim
January 10, 2019 at 03:05 pm
JohnnyLogan said: "I was nervous the first time I jumped out of a plane too."
I'll bet it got easier for you, after they started letting you use a parachute.
Nice post, by the way, Johnny!
TarynsEyes
January 10, 2019 at 03:55 pm
That was awesome!
: )
JohnnyLogan
January 10, 2019 at 05:28 pm
Thanks Jim. A parachute does help but sometimes it comes down to who's packing that chute. I'm just feeling positive about the team direction right now. Gute and ML are young but they've both been in the game a long while and both come across as very smart. If I was a young Packer today I'd be chomping at the bit to get to the start of the 2019 season. Davante, Aaron Jones, Kenny Clark, Alexander, MVS, Bak, Lindsey, and
Rodgers. All potential All Pro's. Lots of other good football players; Martinez, Jackson, hope we sign Breeland... good draft possibilities -- Gute will pack the chute and we'll be flying. Think positive!
SoCalJim
January 10, 2019 at 05:39 pm
Yep. It should be exciting.
Lare
January 10, 2019 at 05:48 pm
I agree JL, it's an exciting time to be a Packers fan. We're going to see a lot more spirit and dedication from the coaches and the players.
Will be nice after seeing people just going through the motions the last few years.
PatrickGB
January 11, 2019 at 12:31 pm
All this military terminology! Reminds me of my time on active duty with the 82nd.
alforno54
January 10, 2019 at 04:51 pm
Seems a few folks on this thread really have some great ideas. Wish I could get transcripts of their GM interviews....
Packmaniac
January 12, 2019 at 12:22 am
Nice, Al. Well-played.
alforno54
January 10, 2019 at 04:51 pm
Seems a few folks on this thread really have some great ideas. Wish I could get transcripts of their GM interviews....
Lphill
January 10, 2019 at 06:32 pm
Dash is ruining cheesehead TV , just no reason for him to be here .
Skip greenBayless
January 10, 2019 at 06:48 pm
Yeah, how dare I try to talk about Zook and the hiring of the Packers coach while Bure, Since61, and Lare turn this place into a political forum against the President. So so sorry for ruining cheesheadtv. I'll try to stay on the topic of bashing the President. How stupid of me.
Apologies,
Dash
packergal
January 10, 2019 at 07:05 pm
Lphill,
What brought that on???
It appears Dash is bashed for his tongue in cheek commentary and his point of view on "Matty Nice" and Taryn is bashed for refusing to drink the Green and Gold Koolaid.
Since each is thoughtful, funny and quite creative in their approach to Packer fandom, can't we all just get along?
Bashing a different point of view is TIRING.
Skip greenBayless
January 11, 2019 at 12:41 am
Thanks for the kind words Packergal. Lphill will not answer you I guarantee it. I can only guess as to what brings this on with some people here and it's TDS. Seriously that's it. Today was a classic example of TDS. Otherwise normal sane civil people here went absolutely crazy when Milton Bure mentioned the T word. Since 61' lost his mind for about four hours which was totally uncharacteristic of him. This TDS is actually a real disorder. Pretty sure this LPHill has it too. Half the country does for crying out loud but here I would say the percentage of people that have it is closer to 70%.. Glad to see Dr. Jersey Al, trained in spotting the symptoms, recognized it quickly and wiped that entire embarrassment of those sufferers clean. They should actually thank Dr. Jersey Al for saving them from themselves.
Dash
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
January 11, 2019 at 02:23 pm
I like diverse ideas from all the posters which is what makes this place so enjoyable. What I dont like is if someone DOES NOT agree with an opinion that some posters either try drowning one out, try forcing their opinion on others, or calling them names, stupid, etc.
Let's face it some never learned in elementary school to stay between the lines and play nice, and so it goes...
Packmaniac
January 12, 2019 at 12:30 am
I’m done reading the comments section at this site. Ridiculous. I went through the whole thing just because it was like a trainwreck and I couldn’t look away. But once you’ve seen one trainwreck, you’ve seen em all. Have fun. Wow. Just wow.