Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - We're Still Dancing

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

Gee, I don't know what we have to talk about today...

Still Dancing: And we thought last year was the ALL-IN LAST DANCE. What do we call this then?

Why? So why did the Packers sell their souls to do this? Simply because they know it's their best chance to get back to the Super Bowl? Or was it out of desperation because they don't think Jordan Love will become a decent NFL starter? Obviously, both reasons could be valid together, but I personally think it was more the former.

Love to Redux - Get ready for the slew of "Jordan Love was a wasted pick" rehashing the next few days.

Rodgers / Gutey talks.  For some reason, I found myself wondering today (before the Rodgers news hit) of how comfortable Gutey feels being straighforward with Rodgers? Is he constantly walking on eggshells and avoiding the tough questions, or would he have the balls to prod Rodgers on his being forced to acquire Randall Cobb only to watch Rodgers completely ignore him in a playoff game? 

Wilson to Denver: Per multiple reports, the Broncos are giving up two first-round picks, two second-round picks, a fifth-round pick, Drew Lock, Noah Fant and Shelby Harris. The Broncos receive Wilson and a fourth-round pick in return. Even if this is only half true, I must ask: For all of you "all your guesses of what Rodgers would bring back in a trade are wildly optimistic" people, how do you feel now?

 

Playing tag - So, was Rodgers told the Packers would tag Adams as more incentive for him to return to Green Bay? Did he and Adams talk the last few days to hash out the plan between them? Does Rodgers coming back change what appeared to be a hard line Adams was going to take towards being tagged? How long will it take for Matt LaFleur to get the smile off his face? Stay tuned for more episodes of, "As the Packers Turn."

What do the Packers do with Jordan Love?

Trade him if they can get decent value in return.
35% (20 votes)
Keep him as the backup and continue to develop him
65% (37 votes)
Total votes: 57

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Johnblood27's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:11 am

...and I wonder, still I wonder, who'll stop the rain...

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Barnacle's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:18 am

Rodgers out smarted our front office by about 2 years and $120,000,000.

Give me Seattles deal with Denver and I would feel a lot better.

What will our diva jerk do next to ruin our fun?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:10 am

You think it would be "fun" to watch GB go 9-8 and 8-9 or thereabouts for a few years without a franchise QB? Is it fun to watch the Saints miss the playoffs with Brees retired and a strong squad left? Is it fun for the Pats to watch their team lose by 30 points in the Wild Card round? Or fun for Giants fans to have never won more than 6 games a year since Eli retired after going 11-5 and losing to Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs. I'm not in a hurry for that kind of fun. I'll watch a talent like Rodgers in green and gold for as long as possible. Adams, too.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:36 am

Yes Sir —thanks Westcoast— well said!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:25 am

Imagine if they never gave Rodgers a chance after he stunk his first 2 years. Imagine if they kneeled to Favre and gave him the house. They wouldve rode Favre's coattails right off the cliff without winning another ring and the last 13 years wouldve likely been a shitshow. This is what happens when you let fear dictate your decision making. Now this team is on a one way trip to oblivion while the fanboys rejoice.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:12 pm

Lol. Fear? That's nonsense. I have fear about what happens to my 401K. I have fear that someone I care deeply about may get sick. I have not one second of "fear" about the Green Bay Packers. You need to get your priorities straight. The Packers will be fine regardless of whether their current decisions are right or wrong.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:18 pm

What else would you call it when a front office literally destroys its salary cap and its future to please a guy who hates them so much he held a press conference just to trash them for 30 minutes straight? It isnt sentimentality that led to this decision. And it certainly isnt good business sense. It was fear. Fear of having a bad season or two while Love straightens things out. Fear of losing their jobs. But the irony is, this move will cost them their jobs anyways. And its going to cost this team dearly in the longrun.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:55 am

I could easily conceive a 10 win season especially with the haul that we could have received. However, even with less wins the roster would have been younger and cap healthier which makes for a more hopeful future.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:48 pm

Bingo. And it wouldve been a lot softer landing than whats on the other side of this rodgers extension. When he retires and all the dust settles, theres going to be a lot of empty seats in lambeau for years to come with no fix in sight.

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White92's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:29 pm

Hear, hear! A lot of fans on here talk smack about Rodgers never lived through Randy Wright or Jim Zorn

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 12:06 am

That maybe so, but theyre about to 2-3 years from now. Maybe sooner.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

March 10, 2022 at 09:34 am

I lived through Randy Wright and a whole bunch of other terrible QBs. Rodgers gives us the best chance to win now. I'll be behind him all the way on the field. Not sure what the near future (3-5 years) holds, but hopefully the FO can figure that out. But off the field he's one of my least favorite Packers of all time. What a jerk.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 07:45 pm

Character is kind of a big thing for me. I cant support low character players. Not anymore. Character is whsr set this team apart from the other teams over the years and now that gap is closing.

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NickPerry's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:29 am

People who have read my comments here the last several weeks know which side of the fence I've been on since the end of the year. Seeing what Russell Wilson brought in return to the Seahawks makes me wonder what Rodgers would have brought. While I would have LOVED the picks and players, I'll now get behind my favorite TEAM...The Green Bay Packers!

BUT...Rodgers is here so now my ONLY question is for how much and how long? Rodgers tweeted this right after the news broke...

Aaron [email protected]·16hHey everyone, just wanted to clear some things up; YES I will be playing with the @packers next year, however, reports about me signing a contract are inaccurate, as are the supposed terms of the contract I “signed”. I’m very excited to be back 💪🏼 #year18❤️

SO...What EXACTLY does this mean? He'll be back NEXT year? Reports of the contract and terms are INACCURATE? Excited about year 18? What happened to 19, 20, and 21???

Hmmmm...I'll be very curious to see the EXACT terms of Rodgers deal.

Adams? Well if Rodgers was staying we knew Adams wasn't going anywhere. So maybe Rodgers is taking less, because we already know Adams isn't. He wants $30 million which is ridiculous for a 30 year old WR. Even with a a Tom Brady type deal, signing Adams, extending Bakhtiari has cost a fortune and a ton of the cap.

I'll be very curious how many years it takes the Packers to dig out of this AFTER those guys are gone. Sonner or later you HAVE TO PAY!

BTW... Last question... Can we BELIEVE Rodgers tweet? It seems everywhere I turn many are questioning anything he says. Hell, my local news in Los Angeles, the 4 AM showing just questioned if they can believe Rodgers or not, and she's the lead anchor, not a sports newscaster..

MORE...Hmmmmm

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:53 am

I'm actually hoping for a more team friendly deal than what was reported. I don't think Rodgers has any incentive to throw Pat lousy info. If he did get 4/200M nobody would be shocked. I'm not expecting something like 4/120M which is what Rodgers should do if he really wants to give the Packers the budget to go after another weapson.

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packerbackerjim's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:30 am

Like it or not, we (AR, Gute, MLF, Murphy and Fans) are in this lifeboat together. The biggest question is can Russ Ball massage the Cap to get the supporting cast necessary? Last year was a painful learning experience, and IF the mistakes are corrected this will be the best opportunity for a SB. As for subsequent years, well…..

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mbpacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:16 am

Will be interesting to see how good Ball is at patching the multiple leaks in the lifeboat once they start leaking.

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blacke00's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:42 am

As you said seems like a very odd comment. Did he really just say he's going just play out his current contract through this year(2022)? I don't believe the media.

I would have taken the Bronco's/Seahawks trade and taken our lumps. I think the long health of the franchise is paramount.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:57 am

Nothing he says really matters. His mind, circumstances or health can change at any point. He is now, effectively, able to explode the roster at will. He may not want to, but if he did decide after a bad season or injury, then the crater will be massive. Rodgers watch is now almost inevitable, maybe during as well as after the season this will be a regular pundit theme. If it brings a Lombardi Trophy, it’s likely worth it. If not, the consequences will be long lasting.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:15 am

I'm not worried about the long term health if that means we win 4-8 games the next several years while they try to find a starting QB. That's not too fun to watch, regardless how strong a squad they can build with all these draft picks. Teams build up really strong squads that go nowhere in the playoffs b/c it is the elite QBs that get far in the post season. I'll take our chances with #12. He can't play out his current contract; the cap won't allow it. They are still working on his deal. Whomever leaked this jumped the gun.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm

I guess the specifics ( how much guaranteed) of the contract are not available yet, but Spotrac has the Pack with no cap casualty if Rodgers is released or traded. I am really interested in seeing how Ball gets us under the cap ( would love to have him as my accountant!!). While I dislike these signings especially after the haul that Seattle received, if he can also sign Campbell and Douglas (good CBs are harder to find), some of the sting would be reduced.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2022 at 03:26 am

People keep referring to Spotrac's contract info and when I go to Spotrac they have nada posted about AR's new contract. I don't even know if AR has signed it yet.

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MainePackFan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:20 pm

Relax NP. At the end of the day, it will be what it is. We will be Packer fans bitching about what a dumb move it was, or what great move it was, either way we will be rooting for the next move to be the right one. Chill and enjoy my friend :)

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ImaPayne's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:53 pm

Ya he didnt sign the dam contract he is out in california right now attending Bakts wedding on Saturday. He agreed on the terms of the contract and will sign it later when he is in town. He will be tied up for four years and finish out his career here. Hes not going anywhere and he didnt want to go anywhere nor did he want to retire. It wasnt in his plans. He just wanted to create another beuatiful mystery so people would talk about him constantly.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

March 10, 2022 at 09:38 am

I think it means it leaves the opening for Rodgers to continue to do what he does best, jerk people around for his own bizarre amusement. Great QB, even bigger asshole. No mystery why this guy isn't married yet.

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Archie's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:31 am

Per Hackett, Wilson was Plan A.

It will be interesting to see which team fares better over the next 4 years. My opinion, I would much prefer the SEA deal to paying AR $200MM over the next 4 years. Drew Locke is quite an athlete and at the very least will make a great back-up QB going forward with a chance at being succesful in his new offensive scheme. Fant and Harris are quality guys as well. And 4 PREMIUM draft picks, combined with GB's own 4 premium picks over the next 2 years would have meant 8 PREMIUM picks between this draft and next. That is enough to fill all their needs and get themselves out of cap hell. Instead, we get more of the same i.e., lackluster postseason play by QB1 because he locks into WR1 while defenses double and triple team him. Oh, did I mention how at key moments in big games, he completely ignores open WRs not named DA? For Packer fans, the next 4 years will be akin to the movie Ground Hog Day.

Personally, I was AR's biggest fan but I believe his antics of the last year plus have turned off 75% of the Packer fan base. If he is unable to win a SB in the next year or two, there will be a bad case of buyer's remorse and fans will turn on AR, perhaps causing him to retire earlier than planned.

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NickPerry's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:31 am

IF that contract is as reported, I'd say many have already turned on Rodgers.

I'm anxiously awaiting what the truth REALLY is.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:05 am

Turning on Rodgers misses the point completely. He didn’t give himself the contract, the FO did. The FO ceded control and essentially gave him everything. He may regret it if it fails, but it’s not his job to create the roster, cap structure or make strategic decisions or decide how much we will pay him. His job is to play. He hasn’t won for us in ten years and more, but that’s far from all his fault. He’s now paid to do that. That’s a choice the leadership made.

If the leadership can’t put a team around him and coach adequately to succeed, then it never should have considered bringing him back at great future cost. This could easily get a lot uglier for a lot more people than just Rodgers and with as much if not more justification.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:48 am

He didn't give himself the contract.

This is all on the FO. All of it. If Rodgers breaks his leg in the opener, that's on the FO. If he doesn't have a better team around him than last year, that's on the FO.

It's on the FO. It's on the FO. This is the biggest gamble I've seen this franchise take in my lifetime. Bigger than gambling on Lombardi, bigger than gambling on Bruce Clark, bigger than gambling on Rich Campbell, bigger than gambling on Favre when he was a 3rd stringer drinking his way out of the league. Bigger than getting Reggie White or Charles Woodson in FA.

If it works, I'm going to be smiling like the butcher's dog. If it doesn't, it's all on the FO. I don't have any hate or animosity towards Rodgers.....he didn't give himself that contract. I hope he plays great and this works.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:43 am

Well, both of you, Coldworld and Leatherhead are on the right track. When I'm complaining on Aaron Rodgers it is because how he plays (or call plays). This issue is all on FO and HC. They are all in that and I trully believe Mark Murphy will never get street in Green Bay. Brian Gutekunst will have to find job in different field and MLF will end his career as QB coach or OC in some desperate franchises.

This shame is all on FO.

But, I'll wait. We will see after next postseason who was right and who was wrong... It is not that long as it looks now. It will come faster that many of us expect.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:20 pm

It certainly is a large gamble especially if he has an avg season and then retires and we're left without a haul of possible draftees and a very lg bill to pay for his guaranteed money.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:45 am

Of course they are going to say that Wilson was plan A. They aren't going to tell him 'welcome to Denver. Rodgers was our first choice but you will do'.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:26 am

Of course Hackett is going to say that. But notice they only traded for Wilson AFTER it was announced Rodgers would stay in GB. Rodgers was their first choice and when that didnt happen they moved onto Wilson.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:41 am

I don't think that's the case. That trade didn't come together in the scant 2-3 hours between when ARod's news leaked and this trade was announced.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:44 am

Both teams had options. The trade didn’t need to be put together in a couple of hours, it just needed the trigger pulled. I believe it’s extremely likely that Denver moved as soon as they knew Rodgers would stay.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:00 am

Correct. Wilson was "Plan A" all along...after they found out Rodgers was staying put.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:36 am

Archie,
I saw an internet article last night that Rodgers was Denvers top choice. However, someone leaked to Denver a week before the trades Rodgers was staying with the Packers and as a result Denver lined up a trade to Seattle as back-up. The article seemed to hint it was a Packer player (even possibly Rodger's).

With MLF & Gutey's (coaches) respect for Hackett, Rodgers affection for Hackett, or other players respect for Hackett this might have a lot of truth to it.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:02 am

Sure...why not alert Hackett after it was clear Rodgers would stay in GB. Rather have Wilson in the AFC vs Seattle.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:56 am

Read comments on the Broncos & Steelers sites. Fans there despise Rodgers and are opposed to giving up a king's ransom to acquire him.

It is amazing how Rodgers has ruined his fan base brand in just a few years. Self inflicted. He is morphing into Jeff George off the field. However, he still seems to be a good locker room leader.

Rodgers said he was not interested in a "rebuild" for the Pack if he returned. Gutey must have convinced him the Packers will "keep dancing" in 2022. But it seems like the FO has positioned the team for "planned obsolescence" after a year or two.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:19 am

Why the demand to win a Super Bowl or it wasn't worth it? Wouldn't you rather roll the dice for the chance to win a ring versus going 4-13 or 6-11 or even 9-7 for several years? Look at other squads who built a strong roster with top draft picks, but couldn't find a franchise QB? They go nowhere in the post season. Rodgers gives us a great regular season to watch and the best chance to go all the way while he is still in the league. I would have absolutely HATED to see him go to Denver and win a Super Bowl there, while GB was enjoying all their cheap top draft picks.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:41 am

Yep—me too Westcoast.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 04:50 pm

I wouldve rather they focused on building around Love and gearing up to be buyers for when the salary cap explodes. Think about it. They couldve had 10 premium picks over the next 3 years plus a ton of cap space to give Love and this team the best possible chance to succeed for the next decade. Instead they just guaranteed they will be sellers for the next 3-5 years. After the 2022 season, guys like Clark, Bakhtiari, Jones, and others cap hits will become astronomical and the salary cap will guarantee they are gone and yet the Packers will still be paying them cuz of all the restructures. This 4 year deal for Rodgers is only really giving them one more year of realistic competetiveness followed by the bottom falling out completely. They'll be lucky if they can keep guys like Gary and Jenkins (doubtful). And they wont have an influx of high picks to offset the exodus in talent. This is guaranteed to be a disaster and they likely dont even get another super bowl for their troubles. In 2 years, Rodgers will be playing with retreads and undrafted free agents which will likely just force him to retire and then all that guaranteed money accelerates. Doomsday.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:04 am

Do you think this year's team will be better than last year's? How?

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croatpackfan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:53 am

Well, Packers had very strong roster last season. What are you suggesting? That Aaron Rodgers is not franchise QB, because Packers were not able to win SB 3 years in the row, with 2 of that 3 years played in NFCCG and were embarassed. 3rd season in the row they had the strongest team, but, by your words, not the franchise QB.

It is not about to win one SB, it is about to build constant contender. Than you can win SB. If you have QB good enough to play his best game when it matters...

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:44 pm

Archie, are you telling us there's still a chance they both get traded to Steelers!! hahahaha

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bjkdad44's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:36 pm

Fans will turn on GB!

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Packerfansupreme's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:40 am

Jordan love is a wasted pick. I think this resigning proves that. They saw Love in action. And it was not impressive. Keep him on the bench and hope he never plays, or trade him if someone would make an offer

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ricky's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:24 am

Someone had to say it. Thanks. Now, on to serious discussion of what this means for the franchise moving forward.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:22 am

Who cares if Jordan Love was a wasted draft pick? At the time, Rodgers looked like his career was tailing off and it might be time to move on. Then he blossomed under LaFleur and had back to back MVP seasons. Was Gutey supposed to have a crystal ball and see that in advance? He's trying to be prepared for any eventuality, but having a Hall of Fame QB back on his game with a new HC is more important than whether one draft pick worked out. Teams make a LOT worse mistakes with draft picks than that.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:30 am

By your silly rationale, Rodgers was a wasted pick too cuz he wasnt great after 2 years. I'm old enough to remember rumors of the Packers possibly drafting Brady Quinn cuz they were actually considering dumping Rodgers after year 2. I also remember "fans" booing Rodgers at the Family Night scrimmage, making fire ted thompson websites, and demanding thompson trade Rodgers for Randy Moss because mUh ReCeIvErS. It wasnt until year 3 that Rodgers showed them anything at all that he could become a franchise qb.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:03 pm

Especially since Love has had only one pre-season, which is where a rookie QB learns under a less stressful setting.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:47 pm

And in that preseason he didnt even get reps with the starters cuz none of them played. And yet he was supposed to just come in midseason and play like a vet or be labeled a bust. Smfh.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

March 10, 2022 at 09:45 am

Jersey Al called it!

Not sure why the continued hate for Love. People have a short memory what our backup QB situation used to look like. I'd rather have a young QB with talent and potential over the retreads we've had behind Rodgers the past dozen or so years.

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HawkPacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:42 am

First off, I didn't vote since I do not know the terms of the contract. IMHO, it was not a mistake to draft Love based on how Rodgers' played the prior two years, his age at that time, etc.

I will support GB on their signing of Rodgers as we all should. We have to support the FO.

I was on the bandwagon to trade both Rodgers and Adams. Yes, we would have taken a step backwards, but based on what Seattle received, it would have been a great time to reload. So I guess in looking at the future, we are looking at the near term future with the long term future not looking good at all. And you can forget the large increase in the CAP expected in '23 or '24 as this will be gobbled up by larger salaries throughout the NFL and we will still be in CAP hell.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:35 am

I supported the FO when they drafted Love. I even supported them when they brought Rodgers back last year despite him holding a press conference to trash them for 30 minutes straight. But im done now. I cant put up with another year of Rodgers' shit. He's a complete scumbag and im ashamed the most storied franchise in football just gave this pos the keys to the castle. So no, we dont have to support the FO as they continue transforming this "team" into the Green Bay Rodgerses. Nor should we.

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Lphill's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:07 am

Well , bye then !

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:12 pm

I don't understand why scumbags have such a negative connotation since they serve such a vital service.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:48 pm

Sadly that service doesnt include winning super bowls lol

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:43 am

Hawk, you’re right there two ways to look at resigning Rodgers. Neither is right or wrong opinions.

I’m elated to move forward with Rodgers. I’ve debated my position for weeks on this subject. The QB position is more important than ever and getting draft picks are no guarantee they will pan out on getting a great QB. In fact your odds are against it, just use most teams who draft in the top 10 year in and year out as an example. Forget about using picks on other positions, it doesn’t matter. The rules have changed so much to protect the QB and WR’s that making it to the SB has extremely long odds without a HOF type QB. Why do you think Denver gave up so much capital to obtain Wilson, because they know it is THE ONLY way to win consistently. Do you really think Seattle wanted to lose Wilson, I highly doubt it. I’ll take the Packers 2-5 year future over Seattle.

The best QB’s are the ones that won every division this year and that will continue to be the norm. Now, think about our current opportunity. With Wilson going to AFC is there ever a better time to get to the SB? How many HOF type QB’s are there in the NFC? Maybe stafford and that’s it. The way Rodgers takes care of his body I think he has 3 -4 years left of being one of the best in the game. IF he is Brady type it could be more. Realistically, a minimum of 3.

Regarding Love, I hope they trade him before the draft. Some analysts are stating as high as a 2nd round pick. I feel for Love, he didn’t put himself into this situation and I hope he gets traded for his sake, so he so he gets a chance to prove to the NFL whether he is a starting QB or not.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:32 am

There is a view in Seattle that Wilson is declining due to injuries and his style of play. If that view is correct (big question) then selling him now is getting the most back and accepting he won’t carry the team to a degree that matches his cost. Of course there are also issues to do with his relationship with key individuals, but it is quite possible that those that matter in Seattle are truly thrilled to move him.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:43 am

Watch Seattle carefully...they're doing what the Packers could've done, and they're letting other pieces go as well.

No two teams will use draft capital the same way, of course, but we have an experiment to observe here.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:55 am

I agree. It’s also an interesting bet on whether Wilson has or had not declined. Is Denver right? Is the Seattle approach to valuation better than ours?

Interesting though these are though, my focus is still on whether we are chasing rainbows or taking a more calculated risk. Sadly I still feel that we preferred to not face up to the real cracks and just pin everything on Rodgers somehow overcoming that and time.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:19 am

CW, I'd love to bet you that Wilson hasn't declined, it would be the easiest money I've made in my career.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:24 am

I don’t really have a view from personal viewing. I am just repeating a view I know some out there hold. The view out there is not as uniform as some think.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:25 pm

CD, I believe we have a much better/younger team. They have a better receiving core, but that's it. Their defense was bottom 10, and O line was a major cause of displeasure for Wilson even with his scrambling ability.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:18 am

Yes Dobber, watch Seattle carefully and you will notice their record of mediocracy going forward, which has only been the case twice with Wilson at the helm. I noticed some down votes on my post and that's ok because I don't always agree with the mainstream opinions, maybe since you replied, you were one of them. But I don't see a good debate on my points. I ask you, even with extra 1st round draft picks what are the odds of the Packers getting a Franchise/HOF type of QB. Also, show me a team that wins consistently without one.

I prefer to continue our trend of winning consistently till Rodgers can no longer due it over a total rebuild. Sure, that rebuild will happen, but you rarely get a chance at seeing greatness and that is what Rodgers is!

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whysoserious's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:06 pm

Please look at the teams and/or quarterbacks that have one the Super Bowl over the last twenty plus years. Brady, quarterbacks on rookie deals or journeymen who are not the top paid. Remember the 13 percent rule for QB salary against the cap. It has played out for a long times, I know it is hard to find a good QB but it is just as hard to win a championship with a high priced one.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:56 pm

That’s a very good point. I’d would like to know win percentage and playoffs etc…regarding the SC on QB’s. I’m not one that roots for the SB as my only sense of satisfaction for the Packers. Winning in general and getting to the playoffs provides me with great enjoyment. If we win the big one that just icing on the cake.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:26 am

SEA is moving a disgruntled QB who had not gotten the talent around him needed to get back to his best play. SEA is a trainwreck since the Legion of Boom. They have not drafted particularly strong and Schneider has long had a tendency to way overpay for premium free agents that have not put them over the top. Not sure SEA is an experiment to emulate. Seems Carroll's methods eventually wore thin on long-term players and they are going to get all new guys and indoctrinate them and see if they can recreate some magic. Not a great plan IMO.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:52 am

I wouldn't go so far as say a train wreck but agree with a better team needed to be built around Wilson. Seattle's record after the LOB is still well above average. That is because of Wilson IMO. I'm so happy to see him going to an AFC team so I can root for him week in and week out. I'm a Denver fan now at least till the SB if our beloved Packers are against him.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:06 am

I think the Packers had a much better team around Rodgers than the Seahawks had around Wilson. Seattle is adding all that draft capital on a last place team; the Packers went 13-4.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:02 pm

If Seattle ends up with Deshaun Watson plus the haul they got from Denver, wow.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Schneider is a true Thompson disciple - he also has autonomy. Gutekunst is sadly answering to Mark Murphy, and Murphy is no GM, he's a suit. Sad. That Denver deal would have set us up sweetly for another long run. Murphy will be gone before we're done paying the price for this contract and the following 10+ years in the wilderness.

This reeks of doing things the same way and expecting a different result.

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LeotisHarris's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:44 pm

Schneider probably saved his job after being asleep at the wheel while his Legion of Boom-era teams slipped into mediocrity. The Seahawks lacked roster depth to replace their great defensive players, and couldn't maintain a OL to keep Wilson from running for his life. Where was Schneider? Exactly right, being a Thompson disciple and autonomously watching the slide as his Pro Bowl QB made the team competitive.

The Seahawks won their division once in the last five seasons. Since their 2014 Super Bowl loss, they have exited the playoffs in the WC Round twice, and the Divisional Round three times. Schneider ain't what he used to was, and he can only trade Wilson once.

We've read ad nauseum there's no way the Packers could keep Rodgers, and certainly no way to keep Adams. Well, they just did, and before we proclaim gloom and doom upon all the land for generations to come, could we wait to see how many god damn void years are involved? Could we pause before we scream and quote some asshole from OTC who claims to know what the cap will be in 2035? If not, we might as well grab a fistful of rain while we're at it.

Does it matter if the can is kicked down the road when the road curves and the can never really existed? Somehow all the "dead money" has a way of growing legs and coming back to life, and "Salary Cap Hell" turns out to be a short term stay in a dirty Motel 6.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 12:13 am

Remember how hard it was to replace Collins and Woodson? Imagine having to replace a whole defense of guys that good while drafting in the mid to late 20s every year. And it becomes exponentially harder once you pay the qb top dollar. Thompson and Schneider both went through the same kinds of tribulations after winning super bowls. Its just really hard to maintain teams that good.

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dobber's picture

March 10, 2022 at 08:05 pm

"Schneider is a true Thompson disciple - he also has autonomy."

No. Pete Carroll has significant say in roster construction and player matters.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:10 am

Who's view from Seattle? Fans? If so, that's somewhat meaningless. Most Fans are fickle and go with how the team performed to form their opinions. One down year and he is declining...lol. Yes, for his standards he had a down year last year, probably due to some nagging injuries. People said the same thing about Rodgers before his back to back MVP's.

The reality last year was the first year he missed playing much at all. Since he played at WI I'm a big fan of his, I've watched him play quite a bit and I don't see him declining. When you say style of play, I assume you mean a running QB. He has a very high completion percentage and is a drop back QB first and foremost. Yes, he will run and is very mobile, but rarely takes a hit. He's not a Cam Newton or RGIII type.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:28 am

You are awfully uptight about Wilson. No it’s not just fans or new. Of course there are plenty of other potential explanations for results too. In any case, it was of minimal relevance to the Packers thinking, though not to Denver’s. We won’t know for a fact who was plan A or B anyway, but time will tell how good the deal was for both teams and Wilson.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:47 am

I'm not uptight, you brought up the issue of some thinking he's declining without any source. So, I felt being a fan of Wilson and knowing his value, I'd defend that statement. I also stated my opinion that many fans are fickle and ebb and flow year to year based on results and not extenuating circumstances, like dealing with injuries. Many Fans did this to Rodgers and Adams during their careers with the Packers while I defended both. I don't think fans realize how much a nagging injury can affect performance of a player. When that injury dissipates, many times said player is back to their normal self.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:10 am

It’s not a new view, and it’s relevant. Maybe it’s true maybe it isn’t. Time will tell, but the fact is that not all think as much if Wilson as it’s often assumed. Only time will tell who is right.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:39 am

The same thing can be said for our cap situation and AR/DA...

Hell, we don't even know the structure of AR's contract for sure yet.

3 years from now it could be viewed several ways. The best move we could've made. The worst move ever, or somewhere in between, but only time will tell.

Now that we know AR is coming back though, Gutey and Ball can get busy building the '22 Packers Roster, and hopefully it is significantly better than the '21 roster.

I know you think that is impossible, but I'm actually expecting a better overall roster.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:25 am

May you be proved correct. Even if it is equivalent, I will then ask whether LaFleur and Rodgers can move on from past repeated failings. If they can, that may be more significant than a player or two, but it is a big if.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 05:15 pm

Bird, building a better roster with no cap space will be very difficult unless we hit big on at least two of our picks, resign Campbell and Douglas, and stay much healthier than last season. That has the same chance as AR consistently connecting with MVS on a bomb.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:45 am

Hardly relevant.... The record with Wilson over 10 years is 105-54-1, (2) SB's and without him during the prior 10 years, mainly with a decent QB named Hasselback, is an average 81-79 and (0) SB's. The numbers speak for themselves. I will stand by my statement; a team will NOT win consistently without a HOF type QB and to find one takes many strikes at the plate. Get all the draft picks and players they want, mark my words, unless Wilson has a career ending type of injury, Seattle fans will regret and be disgruntled over trading Wilson in the years to come.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:26 am

Possible, but many said the same when Favre left here. Time will tell, fervor just blusters.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm

That’s also true, will Seattle strike gold twice like the Packers, unlikely, but time will tell.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:35 am

To validate my points above some more, just take a look at the QB's who won the SB over the past 9 years. Only one isn't going to the HOF.
Stafford
Brady
Mahommes
Brady
Foles
Brady
Manning
Brady
Wilson

The numbers don't lie, 1 out of 9 QB's are HOF type QB's. You could argue Stafford, but I'd bet he will be in Canton someday. You have to have one to win consistently and win the big one in today's NFL rules. Those who don't believe this are living in the past.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:48 am

Numbers can mislead, however. Of your 9 SB winning QBs, 4 are the same guy, Brady. Manning and Wilson are HOFers but Foles will never be...Stafford has not made it yet and may not. Mahomes may, but not guaranteed.

So 3 HOFer out of the last nine SBs.

Here's my list of 9...elite QBs who never won a SB:

Marino
Tarkinton
Fouts
Moon
Kelly
McNabb
Esiason
Cunningham
Anderson

It is still a team game.

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splitpea1's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:25 am

I'm with you here; the supporting cast and the coaching staff are as important as the QB. I would happily take the slew of draft picks in exchange for an aging elite QB. And I would think this would be the case for fans of the "consistent winner" theme as well--adding top-end young talent is the best way to ensure this, as long as the recipient of the picks chooses wisely.

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:06 pm

Lambeau, your correct many HOF QB's didn't win the big one. You missed my point thou, those QB's played in a different era under a different set of rules. Very hard to compare.

The rules the players live by now allow QB's to dominate the game like no other era, routinely throwing in excess of 5000 yds. My guess is if those QB's played the game in the last 20 years, especially the last 10, Marino, Tarkinton, Fouts and Kelly would all have a title.

It doesn't matter if Brady won 4 of them, my point is the great QB's are winning more of the titles due to the rule changes that have been implemented over the past 20 years and enforced at a greater level since the head injury suit, to protect player safety and allow more offense in the game. Offense sells and brings more revenue to the game.

This is coming from a long time believer that Defense wins championships, but more and more I'm starting to see and believe it's the QB. You still need a good team with a great QB, but without one you must have a GREAT team and that team won't last due to the SC and losing them in Free Agency.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 04:42 pm

I did not miss your point. I just do not agree with it, that's all.

Not 9 HOFers, just 3 (likely) over the last 9 SB and it dilutes your point you need a HOFer QB to win a SB. You don't.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:22 am

Thank you for this Murf. I've known for a while that your chances of winning a Super Bowl are exponentially better if you have a future HOF QB. You are correct.

I'd also point out that on any given Sunday, you have 5-8 future HOF QBs playing. Last year, for example, you had Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes....and that's without including youngsters like Burrow or Herbert. Or some guy sitting on the bench, waiting for his shot, like Favre and Rodgers did.

So if you have 8 future HOF QBs in the league, the odds that one of them is on your team is about 1 out of 4. If you're a franchise that is astute at assessing and developing QBs, your odds are better. Take Chicago and Minnesota and the Jets and the Browns, etc. out of the mix and it's better than 1 out of 3.

There is also the fact that you need a good team around you to make the HOF. Stafford was NEVER going to be considered for the HOF before he left Detroit. Now, he's HOF-adjacent.

Your assumption is that a great QB makes the team great; my assumption is that you need a great team to be a great QB. Was P Manning a great QB early in his career? No, but when the team got better around him, he was. Rodgers sat for 3 years, and nobody was mentioning him for the HOF his first couple of playing seasons, but when we got a stronger team around him he became the best QB in the league.

Numbers don't lie, as you said, so here's a number I'd like you to think about: One QB, in the history of the NFL, has won a Super Bowl at the age Rodgers is now, and that's Tom Brady, and he's an outlier. People like to think Rodgers is an outlier, like Brady, but he's not.

I also have a question for you. Do you expect the team that takes the field in the opener to be better than the one we had last year? How? Yes, getting Bakhtiari and Myers and Jenkins back healthy will help quite a bit. Some of our second year guys, like Stokes and Slater and Amari, might be improved.

Will be be better at QB? RB? Will our defense be better? We're going to lose some good players and I don't see any way around that. Do you?

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murf7777's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:51 pm

LH....you've given me something to think about. I appreciate that vs some who just downvote and don't have or provide any rational reasons for doing so.

I will agree that a HOF QB still needs a good team around him. On the flipside, I would also state that a Team has to be at a much higher level, especially their D to win the big one without a HOF QB. So, stating that it is reasonable to think that more often than not a HOF QB will win the SB 8-9 times out of 10. Keep in mind, that is with the current NFL rules making it easier to pass for 5000 yds a season.

Your example of Stafford is a good one. Now, I would argue, he is a fringe HOF type, vs the likes of Brady, Mahommes, Rodgers and Peyton. I think Manning and Rodgers getting better due to a better team around them is partially correct. I think mostly it is the maturation of the QB themselves, learning their trade. Few come in as strong as Mahommes, most HOF QB's still have to learn the trade before their greatness shines.

Your point regarding only one QB at the age of Rodgers won the SB. I'd like to add Manning to that list since he was 38 or 39 when he won the SB so very close in age. That said, you're correct and it is a very good point. If you are lucky enough to have drafted, Wilson or Mahommes and could build that GREAT team around them because the QB's SC was minimal you are one of the few lucky ones. I'd also agree that age creeps up with everyone which does concern me with Rodgers. Just not enough to not want him our QB for the next 3 -4 years.

We will lose some good players, hopefully, we do that in areas where we have depth or positions that aren't critical. Will they be better on paper? NO, but your don't win the big one on paper as you know. Chemistry, experience and finding some fill in gems and draft will bring in other resources. Z. Smith is gone, but I believe with Gary, Preston and Mercilous if they keep him they will be a bit thin, but good. LT and CB are other critical areas that we have some of the bests. Yes, they need to be healthy and fingers crossed on that one.

Saying all that, I appreciate the debate with you, I've always liked your posts, it was fun, but I still feel the dollars are well spent, even at Rodgers advancing age. Mainly, because with all the draft picks they could've gotten for Rodgers it was still very highly unlikely they would land gold and find that HOF QB. You get very few opportunities like this and I'm happy the Packers are taking the risk and keeping Rodgers.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2022 at 04:35 am

I tend to agree with you on Russell Wilson. Weird case in that he has 9 pro bowls, 3 offensive player of the year awards, but just one All Pro, and that was 2nd team in 2019.

As to this part, LAR has strong candidates for HOFers:

Aaron Donald - probably is already;
Von Miller: 8 pro Bowls, 6 All pro (3 1st team All pro)
Jalen Ramsey: 7 Pro Bowls, 2 first team all pro
Johnny Hekker: 6 all pro, 4 first team
Cooper Kupp - well, needs a lot, Got Goffed
Stafford: one Pro Bowl, no all pro - needs a lot.
A. Whitworth: 3 all pro (2 first), 4 Pro bowls.

In 2010, AR had:

Woodson
AR, himself
CM3? 6 pro bowls, All pro once but 2nd team
Collins might have been, but....

Favre:

Favre, himself
Reggie White
Leroy Butler

IDK. I think the 1996 GB team was considerably better than LAR last year, but that could be familiarity. Still, Stafford had 4 likely HOFers on his team and Favre had two, and AR had one for sure and maybe another. The injury muddles things because I don't know who else isn't a HOFer due to injury but I think no one.

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PeteK's picture

March 09, 2022 at 02:03 pm

Yes it's true but defense can still win SBs. Avg QBs that won SBs: Foles, Dilfer, Payton ( last one,141 yds) Johnson, Rypien, McMahon, Hostetler, Williams, Stabler.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:54 pm

add phil simms to that list. he was average.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:49 am

Murf,
First of all Seattle got three very good established starters in the Denver trade defeating your argument. Secondly, they also got a boatload of quality draft choices.

Lastly, why would the Packers trade Love even for a 2nd round pick (most are saying at best a 3rd round pick) unless he absolutely is stinking it up? We do not know Rodger's contract terms yet! The Packers gave up a 1st and 4th for Love. There are those who say Love is a better QB than any in this year's draft. Love is on his rookie contract for 2022 and 2023 with a 5th year option. The Packers have invested heavily in Love and they need an experienced back-up QB. The odds of Rodger's making it through a 17 game regular season and possible post-season intact is highly unlikely. Then there is what comes after Rodger's? From the very beginning everyone recognized Love's physical talent but said he just needed experience/time. Gutey could turn into a genius should Love develop into a legitimate top 10 or 15 QB and starts in a year or 3 should Rodger's leave.

I do not understand people wanting to trade Love for a 3rd or 2nd round pick. Do we know yet how good Love is? Don't think so!

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NickPerry's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:44 am

Hey guys and gals...

I'm listening to the "Locked on Packers" podcast. Take a listen for the first several minutes.

RUMORS suggest the deal is very team friendly for 2022, and 2023. Lets wait and see...

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HawkPacker's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:46 am

Hope so NP. Glad I didn't vote yet.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:18 am

One strategy that could be used is give Rodgers massive Signing Bonus and he retires in 2024 and gives a big chunk back. That way they can appear for him to be highest paid. Have no idea if they would do it. But Rodgers has gotten so weird who knows?

Edit: As I said below paying back signing bonus is actually not common. The CBA has provisions for teams to recoup signing bonus if a player retires early. Go read about it for yourself. Megatron and others had to return significant money.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:54 am

Taxes will insure that doesn't happen.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:22 am

It's actually common. The CBA has provisions for teams to recoup signing bonus if a player retires early. Go read about it for yourself. Megatron had to return money.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:30 am

It’s often somewhat difficult and contentious though and leaves long term bad feelings. Some contracts also preclude recovery too. A lot will depend on the detailed language.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:21 pm

Please read all of my comments. The implication was that maybe it's something Rodgers agrees too. Anyways it's all speculation.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:07 pm

I understand the legalities JJJB, but the IRS will also have a say. The maximum marginal tax rate in the US is 37%. If Rodgers is paid a $100 million bonus, about $37 million will go straight to the IRS leaving Rodgers with $63 million. If Rodgers retires after one year, the Packers (in theory) could go after $75 million of the bonus assuming a four year contract. However Rodgers only has $63 million left after taxes from his bonus.

That leads to some very contentious negotiations and is a big reason why that clause of the CBA rarely gets utilized. Rodgers will be loath to repay more money than he made (after taxes) , particularly if his retirement is due to injury rather than choice.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2022 at 04:56 am

I have alluded to this point, and wonder if I am wasting my time doing it again in a thread with 180 plus comments.

You're right. Sometimes forfeitures/refunds happen and sometimes they don't. It depends. Example:

GB almost certainly will include a signing bonus of $25M for 2022. That part of the SB will never get refunded because it is in lieu of his base salary that is already scheduled. Now, if he gets a $60M bonus and only plays one year, the other $35M might and probably would be refunded, either by negotiation or by language in the contract.

The other way is to pay the $25M immediately and pay the rest of the signing bonus in 2023. That's what Atlanta did with Matt Ryan a few years ago.

I don't think the taxes are a real issue. AR just amends his return when he has to repay the taxes. There is a 3-year time frame for that, IIRC.

I agree that it isn't that common (though the media reporting on this leaves a lot to be desired, particularly in the past).

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:27 am

If it’s approximately the size of contract reported, then the friendlier it is at the beginning, the worse it will be at the end. That would imply that the Packers are willing to keep an aging core together and then plan a big blow out later so that our cap disadvantage is largely irrelevant. So it plays into the scorched earth rebuild concept in 2 or 3 years.

Let’s see just how friendly, but particularly after what Seattle received, there’s really only one possible outcome that gets close to justifying what they signed up for. A Super Bowl win before our trip to irrelevance. Let’s see who we can retain for a year or two, but this already looks like a bad bet that will bring worse to come. Clearly they think the Rodgers LaFleur tandem isn’t as flawed as I do. It likely will cost some of them careers in my view.

I couldn’t care less if they trade Love and replace him, though I’d think he would get more if he shows in his second preseason. He’s cheap now really and we are not likely to get better for materially less. If a good offer comes take it, but remember, our QB will playing into his 40s. Injury is a real possibility. They will need some talent to avoid wasting a season if he misses some games: they’ve mortgaged the franchise too deeply not to have a viable back up to at least hold the season together if Rodgers misses games.

Let’s see what they do to get the cap down. We need likely somewhere between 30 million and 55 million cleared to function even at the most favorable deals for Adams and Rodgers. That may be conservative. What will that leave on the roster and what will it mean for future years?

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:46 am

In this case, friendliness has to be equated to how easy it is to get out of. Basically, if it's a very roster bonus driven deal, it's very pay as you go. Those bonuses can be converted into guarantees to help mitigate cap hits, or-- if he retires or is traded away--not appear as dead money. At this stage, the possibility of retirement is the scary piece...ask the Saints.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2022 at 05:03 am

This.

Now, $153M guaranteed may not mean fully guaranteed. At a minimum $20M signing bonus in 2022 is required. Can't be cap friendly otherwise short of a pay cut.

And if it is by fully guaranteed roster bonuses in 2023 and 2024, AR wouldn't earn them if he retires (absent unusual language in the contract, I suppose). If AR gets hurt, um, IDK. If he gets traded, the new team is on the hook for any amount not actually already paid by GB.

[Remember my article on constructing AR's contract and the survey of other QBs cash and cap: Mahomes gets $34M to $38M in roster bonuses which guarantee in rolling years so that he has $65M or more guaranteed every year.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:55 am

I Love Rodgers decision to come back. And stand firmly behind the decision the FO made. When you're QB sucks, the whole team sucks. If you like draft picks and Losing. This isn’t the team for you. Rodgers is worth every penny. Devante Adams? Not so much! But, Breaking up is hard to do. Forget the next man up. Love should be traded. Love should never have been drafted. The game is about weapons now. The future depends on it. OFFENSE sells Tickets. NO defense; can stop a good offense. While we look to see the rest of the pieces fall back into place. Rodgers stood up. And will continue to stand up. I'm so happy!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:39 am

The only thing worse than sucking every year is having your heart ripped out in the playoffs by teams they shpuld beat for a decade straight. It was time to move on but now were just going to get more 4 more years of Rodgers' center of the universe bullshit with no super bowls to show for it. This is what happens when you let fear dictate your decisions. They couldve been bold, instead they tucked their tails between their legs like the cowards that they are.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:08 am

So were going to be the Miami Dolphins? Doubt it. Gutey must draft WRs. If he drafts defense they won't be ready for Life after Rodgers.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:26 pm

There is no life after Rodgers. Not anymore. This is it. They go for it now with Rodgers then prepare for a long stretch of being a poverty franchise. There is no inbetween. The possibility for a soft rebuild died yesterday.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 04:46 pm

No Defense can stop a good offense? Must have missed the playoff game vs SF. Rodgers "led" the team to 53 total yards in the second half. So, if it wasn't defense that stopped Rodgers cold, it must have been due to horrible QB play in another big game, right?

Good to see you jumping on Gutey's bandwagon now...it doesn't take much to win you over. LOL.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:58 am

I'm sure this won't be popular but I have mixed emotions after the moves Tuesday. The Packers bought a very expensive security blanket with Rodgers and Adams.

Is ONE shot at the Super Bowl worth becoming the Detroit Lions? As others have said there will be a financial reckoning for this contract. When I see the haul the Seahawks(in the NFC) received, imagine what Gute could have done with that haul? Now the Seahawks can use that haul to challenge the Packers and the NFC West.

While I'm ok with the team trying to win it all, I'm really done with Rodgers' behavior and the undue influence he has on the team. As bad as more losing is, in a twisted way it would be about the team and not the individual.

Aaron Rodgers has as many Super Bowl wins as Trent Dilfer.

So we have one more shot(maybe) at the title, then what?

The person I feel the most sorry for is Jordan Love. He didn't bring any of this on himself. He probably isn't as talented as some, but that isn't a sin, is it? Now he will have to sit or be traded because someone else has pushed him back, again.

Upon reflection I wished the Packers had traded Rodgers to Denver, let Adams go and begin the process of finding a new path.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:42 am

If I'm Jordan Love, I never set foot in Lambeau again unless I'm playing for the other team. Can't believe they did this to him.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:04 am

Why? What has he earned aside from being a high pick? I don't think anything has been promised to him, either, except what's in his rookie contract.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:30 pm

Its not about what he has "earned." He has serious talent and deserves a chance to play. Its obviously not coming in Green Bay so it has to be elsewhere. Put yourself in Love's shoes. Would you be content with never getting a real chance to play and being a career backup? What did Rodgers "earn" prior to 2008? Played well in 1 game that they lost?

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dobber's picture

March 10, 2022 at 09:29 am

"Its not about what he has "earned." He has serious talent and deserves a chance to play."

Virtually all these guys have talent enough--that just gets them on the 53. Plenty of them get on the field by winning that chance. Isn't that what we want? Let's not adopt a social promotion mindset. Go win a job, JL. Sometimes the draft is a bitch and you get backlogged behind better players. As for demanding a trade, it's not in the Packers' best interest (I would argue) to deal him and it's not in his best interest to be a malcontent. His fastest track to being an NFL QB at this point is to blow the preseason out of the water (because he'll get plenty of chances) and show he belongs--until he does that, deserves is a strong term.

"What did Rodgers "earn" prior to 2008? Played well in 1 game that they lost?"

Apparently enough in the eyes of coaches and management to encourage them to make the leap from Favre when that opening presented itself. If Love had done enough of that in practice to bestow a significant amount of confidence, developmentally, we might not be having this conversation. I think we all anticipated that if ARod had moved on, that Love would be first in line to get that shot--deserved or not--and that an offense led by a wet-behind-the-ears QB would have growing pains. Even if the Packers had moved on from Rodgers, now, I'd hope they would've brought in competition (or support, if you prefer that view) and asked Love to win the job...not just have it handed to him. This process needed to be less about Love and more about the cap and the future of the Packers. If Love could win that job, great. If not, find the guy who can.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 07:57 pm

How can he win the job when he doesn't even get reps with the first team, let alone actual playing time? You dont draft a qb in the first round to "compete" for a job. You build around him and give him every chance to succeed. Just like guys like Mahomes, Allen, and Herbert. Allen looked like shit for 2 years. Guess what the Bills did? Kept building around him. They committed to him the moment they drafted him and that commitment never waivered. It was bold for the Packers to draft Love, but that boldness seems to have stopped the minute that draft ended. It makes no sense.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:08 am

If I'm Jordan Love, i have my agent demand a trade immediately and never answer the phone for anyone in the front office or coaching staff ever again. They're messing with his one and only chance to get a big 2nd contract and that is unforgivable.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 02:26 pm

RTS,
Your assumption is Rodgers is healthy and stays with the Packers for at least 3 of the possible 4 years of his contract. I'm here to tell you Love will get lots of opportunity to play and show what he has in the next couple or 3 years prior to his next contract.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 12:16 am

Maybe, if he's still on the team that long. Rodgers is calling the shots now and he's going to want Love gone. And what baby wants, baby gets.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 09, 2022 at 02:38 pm

Oh puuuleeeazze Returntosanity. Your comment suggests Love belongs in the HOF.
If I’m the packers, I trade Love for Heinicke or Tyler Huntley.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 12:18 am

No it would be the action of somebody with talent who wants more than to be Captain Douche's backup. He has every right to want a chance to start and thats not coming in Green Bay.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 09, 2022 at 06:57 pm

That’s a drastic action for someone that’s played one unspectacular nfl game.
I suggest we trade Love for either Taylor Heinicke or Tyler Huntley.

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Razer's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:15 am

Seattle figured that they hit the peak with Russell at the helm and made the tough call to rebuild. I think that they made a smart move and did a great job of loading a new gun. I think the Packers should have done this.

So with Rodgers back at the helm - what will change? Will we have money to surround him with enough talent? Will he run his own side offense? What cryptic messaging will we be sifting through?

At least we should win 10-12 games and get our shot... Stay tune for "As the Packers Turn". Too funny AL

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:58 am

With Rodger's and Adam's resigning why would any Packer WR/TE free agent want to resign when you are not thrown to even when open? This is meant to be serious.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:53 am

For the money.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 01:54 pm

What money? There is no money. And ALL the future money will be spent paying Rodgers and Adams.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 09, 2022 at 03:49 pm

Wow... Crazy train has left the station. So you somehow think our #2, #3, and #4 WRs will play for free? I suppose our TEs will too? Your insanity is showing. ; )

I know you're just over-reacting, but I don't understand why all these guys, including you are over-reacting? We will field a team, just like we do every year.

We will field a team with the best WR/QB duo of our time.

Yet, everyone is bitching about it. SMH

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:19 pm

Is Rodgers/Adams better than Rodgers/Nelson? Maybe. Either way, we’ve fielded one or both for more than a decade in the years since our last victory, so I’m not sure that it’s a guarantee of anything material. It takes a team and that’s always been the issue.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 10, 2022 at 08:29 pm

Rodgers/Adams isnt even the best Packers qb/wr duo of our time. Rodgers to Jordy was the best and its not even close. Jordy could do everything Adams can do but Adams cant stretch the field like Jordy did. Rodgers' qb rating throwing to Jordy was absolutely mindboggling. Jordy might be the most underrated football player in the history of the NFL and i dont make a statement like that lightly.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:22 am

It makes me sick to see what we could have gotten for the choke artist.

This season should be called, “The Chicken Dance” because neither Jake nor Elwood had the guts to do the right thing for the team .

There is no discussion, Love was a wasted pick (2 actually). Unless you think it was smart to use those picks on a guy to do kneel downs.

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mrtundra's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:06 am

After we drafted Rodgers, how long did he play second fiddle to Favre? Did anyone say Rodgers was a wasted draft pick?

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:13 am

Yes, plenty did, though not after his 5th year.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:59 am

Thank you MrTundra!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:17 am

Theres a major difference here. Packers werent in salary cap hell at the time, nobody was offering multiple 1st and 2nd round picks for him, and he wasn't making demands and angling for control over things. Favre simply didn't know if he wanted to take the punishment anymore. Thats it. No fighting with coaches and front office. No weekly drama. No media manipulation and lies. This debacle with Rodgers has been a million times worse and its just getting started. 4 more years of this. Sigh.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Times change, man. Deal with it. 20 years ago you could sit a QB and wait. Nowadays you need a 1st rounder to start during their rookie contracts because of cap considerations.

Besides as I've been saying ad infinitum, most knowledgeable people could see AR was getting better as he sat on the bench. Love plays like a junior at Utah St. Watch the tape.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:28 pm

I have watched the tape. Many times. I see a player who has made substantial progress. The results might not be to everyone's liking, but the progression is obvious. For starters, he already reads defenses like a 5 year vet. You dont see him making terrible reads or locking onto receivers or throwing into double coverage. He know his playbook and he knows how to make proper decisions. Next, he showed athletic ability and escapability. Avoided multiple sacks and was able to take off and get some yardage when nobody was open. He also showed he can throw on the run with a few nice throws. Also showed his ability to make shit happen with that across the body deep throw to cobb while rolling to his right against the chiefs. Yes ge lacked rhythm at times which led to some inaccuracies. Pretty hard to be accurate when your timing is off. But that is fixable. And his protection calls were a major issue. But also fixable. Not sure what you were expecting for a guy who gets little to no first team reps and had only played 2 preseason games in 2 years since college. He just needs reps and hes never going to get that now.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:31 am

If we had drafted somebody else who helped make our QB the league's MVP, would that have been a wasted pick, too?

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Lphill's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:24 am

I support Rodgers and the Packers , I don’t come here to talk about his hair , relationships or like recently the size of his testicles , many here , too many actually constantly feed into the rumor mill and run with it , it’s very sad , bring the thumbs down ladies if that’s all you got.

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egbertsouse's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:58 am

His testicles are definitely bigger than Gutes or Murphy’s, in fact, I hear that they gave them to Rodgers as part of the deal.

C’mon man! If you really support Aaron you have to care about his toe, his purging, Shailene, and the man-bun. He really needs you to care!

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porupack's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:59 am

Too funny!

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:37 am

This isn't over yet. Tagging Adams still puts the Packers over the cap. Lot more restructuring and signing need to happen before the 16th. I still am thinkiing Rodgers is holding off signing until the Adam's deal gets done.

It is going to be very interesting how Seattle does in the next few years. Lots of draft picks. May take 2 to 3 years before they right the ship. Will they pick up a retread QB and get lucky and turnaround in a year?

And I keep saying this... Who told Murphy and Gute to sign Rodgers at all costs. Sure signing Rodgers gives us the best chance of winning the Super bowl for the next few years, but look at what all Seattle got. To me, they would have done the Seattle type deal for the future, but the BOD and or majority owners nixed it.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 10, 2022 at 07:56 am

Murphy told Gutey to sign Rodgers at all costs.

Murphy has 3 years to mandatory retirement age.

THREE YEARS!!!!!

Do you think he wants to slide into retirement going down the sledding hill or with confetti flying?

Just pay a little attention and do the math, the coffee is on and the smell is overpowering.

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Fabio's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:59 am

Hi Al
It's been a long time since I wrote, but I've always continued to follow your articles and cheesehead TV.
The disappointment for the past season is still strong. Reading your article, I say that I do not approve of the choices they have made.
I was perhaps one of the few who have defended AR to date, but I believe that, like all things, at some point comes the word END. This agreement ruins the future of the team in an unforgivable and irreversible way.
And this I believe is done because the management contracts are about to expire and therefore the only thought is their own results in order to have a good curriculum to spend.
Especially I didn't understand BG. I have always criticized the editorial team of Love (I have nothing against the JL person) and I have always considered her too different to the AR editorial team (AR was a n ° 1 grade of choice dropped to 24, JL was perhaps a selection of the 2nd turn to develop)
Now he is completely bent to AR !!!!
And I don't like this because it denotes carelessness or just personal interest. If I think about what Seattle received and what we could have received, my heart cries ...
I hope I'm wrong and not be lucid still having the disappointment on me for a too quick exit from the SB race
A greeting

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mrtundra's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:03 am

I'm somewhat lost on our cap situation. Supposedly, Rodgers cap hit went down with this new deal. If we give Davante a big deal, how will that affect the cap? Will players need to be let go to accommodate Davante's deal and our remaining cap issues? Will we be able to re-sign Rasul Douglas and/or Devondre Campbell? Will MVS walk? I think we will keep Lazard and ESB. Cobb may be gone, though, as will, most likely, Zadarious. There is still so much in the air, right now, and we haven't even talked about Jaire's restructure/new deal coming down the pike, or Mason Crosby's situation. I hope this upcoming draft is a solid one that nets us some cheap, quality players. A good DT and Edge would be nice. A speedy WR can be had and we may need one, if MVS leaves. A TE who can block and catch would be great--especially if Big Dog is gone and also since Tonyan's return is questionable. Looking forward to getting my digital copy of the CHTV DRAFT GUIDE soon! Hey folks, its Packers' Football! GO PACK, GO!!!

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:16 am

Cap is like a balloon, you can squeeze one end but the other grows proportionally. They are squeezing the near future as hard as they can at the expense of 2024 on.

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tincada's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:25 am

Dreamer. Haven't you figured it out yet? GB is all about the J_E_R_K who will kiss his ass all day long.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm

I would have preferred a Wilson like deal for Rodgers and a more secure long term future for the Packers, but that is all water under the bridge now. I am a Green Bay Packer fan first and foremost and will root for the Green and Gold next year and years beyond. I just hope Gute and Ball know a lot more about the upcoming salary caps (2023-2025) than I do and they have not created a crash landing for this franchise when Rodgers retires.

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tincada's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:29 am

Earth to Guam. I guess you have not mastered reading tea leaves / anchovy powders / refried banana leaves yet.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm

I'm good with spreadsheets, tea leaves not so much.....:)

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:32 am

That sums it up for me, too. Water under the bridge at this point and I hope the front office didn't screw the pooch here.

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Guam's picture

March 09, 2022 at 12:49 pm

The front office made a career decision. I just don't yet know whether it made their career or broke it.

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ckoski's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:15 am

Trading Love right now would have a negative cap impact they can't afford. I think he has to stay as a relatively cheap backup for now.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:16 am

This is the same team that is absorbing a negative cap hit from voided contracts that could have been avoided as well.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:19 am

Foolish to trade Love. IF your starter gets hurt, your backup instantly becomes a very important part of theteam.

I'm still hurting too bad to rationally discuss Rodgers.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:54 am

I agree with you to a point, Leatherhead, but another QB can learn the system too. Benkert might be ok, too. I just can't help but think there's a part of Love that wants to be elsewhere. As a professional you do what is asked, but can he backup 2-3 more years?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:08 am

Love is only 23 years old. Up to now he hasn't demonstrated (but also hasn't been given many opportunities either) that he is in a position like Rodger's did to tell the BOD's he plays or leaves. Neither do we know terms of Rodger's contract. I would be extremely frustrated if Gutey traded Love for some ridiculously low draft choice. Even for a late 1st round draft choice. Give Love opportunities to play and gain experience and let's revisit the Love situation.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:32 am

It was reported by former Packer personnel exec, Andrew Brandt that Favre and Rodgers and their agents were constantly whining to the FO. Favre was complaining about coming to work every day when his replacement was looking over his shoulder. Rodgers' whine was "play me or trade me already!"

And at the time, Rodgers was being called a bust by many fans due to his suspect play on the field. Even his first year of starting after the 13-3 season, Rodgers led the team to a 6-10 tally.

From all accounts Love is not creating a distraction like Rodgers did as a back up. Give the kid a chance to play with starters for an extended time. I like Jordan.

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stockholder's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:19 am

Loves cap hit is 3 + mil. If Rodgers gets hurt. The season is over. The whole NFL always knew that. Better to sign a vet who wants one last chance.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:19 am

If I'm Love, i wouldve demanded a trade already and would never answer the phone for anyone in the front office or coaching staff ever again.

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Handsback's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:30 am

Here is what I hope for in the next few years for the Pack...
MLF becomes a total coach. No cheerleading, prepare the team for the playoffs, and win a SB.
Keep and develop Love, Rodgers has gone through injuries before and best to have a suitable backup.
Draft for the trenches and pass rushers. WRs can be in any round.
Finally, take the team away from Rodgers and run it like you should.
If he gets mad and retires, so be it. The Pack needs to look in the mirror and figure out why they can't get to the big dance.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:40 am

I agree with the wish list, but what they appear to have done is give Rodgers all the positioning. A high guarantee long term contract of this sort essentially means he has total control. If he doesn’t like it he can retire and the acceleration implodes everything including the careers of the FO. LaFleur is likely no more than a glorified QB coach with respect to Rodgers now if a dispute arises. This is truly Rodgers’ team now if he chooses to make demands.

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:11 am

I'm waiting to see what about it is "market-altering". Hoping beyond hope that it's something that doesn't destroy this team if he unexpectedly retires.

Once terms are available, there will be plenty of analyses.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:33 am

The more back loaded it is, the more apocalyptic retirement (choice or physically motivated) becomes. Friendliness now necessarily magnifies that risk.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:09 am

Amen!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

March 09, 2022 at 11:03 am

Bringing Rodgers back just guaranteed none of that will happen. Lafleur is going to continue kneeling and Gutekunst just proved he's committed to doing the same. Expect them to draft receivers and do whatever else Rodgers asks to keep him happy. I held out home for the same things you mentioned but that hope is dead now. Welcome to the Green Bay Rodgerses.

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calabasa's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:36 am

Although it is tempting to compare Wilson and Rodgers values as apples to apples, we must remember that Wilson is 33 years old while Rogers is 39. Yes Rodgers has four MVPs under his belt but they have the same number of Super Bowl victories. It could be argued that Wilson is the more valuable of the two at this point, perhaps by a long shot.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:42 am

True, but he’s also been less good. The fruit aren’t that different overall, each has pluses and minuses.

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ckoski's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:52 am

Wilson was a mediocre at best quarterback last year and Rodgers is the two-time defending MVP. Wilson won his Super Bowl in his second year and went again in his third while on his rookie contract, on a team driven by a defense that was #1 in the league based both on points and yards. Seattle as a Super Bowl contender ended when they had to pay Russ and started losing defensive pieces. Wilson is a tier 2 quarterback. Rodgers is not.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 10, 2022 at 05:26 am

I think AR is better, but otherwise disagree.

R Wilson PR: 106; 105; 103.
Rodgers PR: 95, 121, 112.

PFF R. Wilson: 91.1; 90.3, 73.9
PFF: Rodgers: 81.4; 94.5; 89.6.

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Oppy's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:38 am

This.is.bad.

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calabasa's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:54 am

I get that same feeling too. I hope that as details of a contract come to light, the team is not screwed for years to come. I would be fine with one year 50 million and see what happens. Keep as much of this team together and with a competent special teams perhaps we can get over the threshold.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:11 am

I agree Cal but if for 1 year then Rodger's is a FA and the Packers get nothing after 2022. Contact reveal be interesting!

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ricky's picture

March 09, 2022 at 08:38 am

Generally speaking, fans tend to overvalue their own players. Also, players should always give the team a "hometown discount", but the team should cut any player who is not performing as well as we think they should. This also means that, even more than before, Rodgers calls the shots. And even if MLF does have the guts to try to pull Rodgers into line, why should he listen? The team has already decided they are going to do whatever it takes to placate Rodgers. And so they bend over backwards to please him. But by doing that, they also abandon any spine they may have had.

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BamaPackFan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 10:03 am

It seems more like they bent over forward.

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RCPackerFan's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:02 am

I decided to take a break from here. Posted yesterday, for the first time in a while. Basically just came back to see what peoples reactions to the Rodgers reported signing was. Pretty much what I figured it would be. A lot of people pissed off. Like it or not Rodgers is back. Like it or not what that means is we have a shot this year. That is all I'm asking for is a shot. Perhaps one more year Love will be ready to take over. Or maybe they end up trading him. We will see. All of that will obviously determined by what they resigned Rodgers for.
Like I said yesterday. The first domino has fallen. Lets see what other Dominos fall now.

Still Dancing: Don't need a name for it. Just enjoy the ride while we can.

Why? So why did the Packers sell their souls to do this? Simply because they know it's their best chance to get back to the Super Bowl? Or was it out of desperation because they don't think Jordan Love will become a decent NFL starter?
My take on this is that they know the drop off from Rodgers to Love is bi time. They simply don't think Love is ready. If he was I think they would have looked to trade Rodgers.

Love to Redux - Get ready for the slew of "Jordan Love was a wasted pick" rehashing the next few days.
Well perhaps these people should look at things differently. Since drafting of Love, Rodgers has won back to back MVPS. He was not this good before they drafted Love, which is why they drafted him. I now view as Love as the guy who turned Rodgers into back to back MVPS. How can that be a wasted pick?

Rodgers / Gutey talks. For some reason, I found myself wondering today (before the Rodgers news hit) of how comfortable Gutey feels being straighforward with Rodgers? Is he constantly walking on eggshells and avoiding the tough questions, or would he have the balls to prod Rodgers on his being forced to acquire Randall Cobb only to watch Rodgers completely ignore him in a playoff game?
I think they continue as they were at the end of the season. You can tell by how Rodgers talked late in the year, things had been much improved.

Wilson to Denver:
And lets not forget that Rodgers is a lot better then Wilson. We know this by the fact that Wilson has never received a MVP vote. not 1.

Playing tag -
I believe they will work out a long term deal now. I have seen some people asking why would they tag Adams at his age. Adams is just different. Some WR's when they approach 30, drop off significantly. Adams won't be one of those guys. His game isn't based on pure speed. His game is on quickness, which he may start losing, but I don't see him slowing down as a premiere WR anytime soon.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 07:28 pm

Speed likely isn’t his issue, I agree, but suddenness (extreme explosion/agility) often declines before long speed. He will always have the ability to read the field, but his ability to get open through athleticism or to beat an opponent for YAC could well decline in a year or two.

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MooPack's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:05 am

The question of whether Wilson was plan A or B is ridiculous. Denver is never going to answer that with any intellectual honesty. We all know what the truth is. Reminds me of the line from The Godfather.

"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking." — Don Vito Corleone

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dobber's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:06 am

I took the overnight to ruminate over this. I've been strongly on the "ARod as a commodity" side of the issue for a couple years now. I'm not going to assert that they'd have gotten the same for ARod that Seattle got for Wilson...age, players, etc. It's a different dynamic. I would've made the deal--if it was there--and I was making the call.

With ARod and Adams back, we'll see how management manipulates the cap to get this team put together. Some of you saw the reports that the Packers are pursuing Von Miller...I don't know where that cash will come from. Perhaps it's unfair to judge ARod the person as much as many of us do when we don't judge other players that way, but when he's putting himself out there the way he is, it's nigh unto unavoidable. I think he's a petty, narcissistic, SOB who has demonstrated that he's not above making management grovel (hence the Cobb move)..but he's also one of the best pure QBs in the league.

We need to remember that this team has won 13 games 3 years running. As configured, it's a really good team. Management must feel they're close, and they make the calls. Disbanding a team that has won that many games must be a hard call to make.

I don't disagree that this team will win more games in 2022 by bringing these guys back. They'll likely win more games in 2023 with ARod than in a rebuild, too...assuming 12 doesn't retire. Ultimately they're in the business of winning football games. I agree that team depth is likely to wither over time with cap numbers being pushed down the road. Good health will become even more important over the next couple seasons. The coaching staff will have to be outstanding teachers and developers of draft talent to maintain that depth...that appears to be just as much the basket where management is putting its eggs: it's betting on itself. We'll see how it plays.

The question really is: what pieces do they need to add to get over the hump? Do they have the resources to do it? What have they not tried that they think they can do to get this team to a championship? The longer-term issues have been covered very closely, and having to deal with another "retire or not" situation every year--knowing full well that until we see the terms of his deal a retirement could blow this team to pieces--is more than just wearying.

Buckle your seatbelts, folks.

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Coldworld's picture

March 09, 2022 at 09:48 am