Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - It's Complicated...

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

 

 

It's Complicated:

Well that's an understatement. It's gotten to the point that I really don't know how to feel about the situation anymore. Everyone wants a villain to point a finger at - first it was evil Gutey, than it was prima donna Rodgers and now it's clueless Mark Murphy. Personally, I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out who to point the finger at - it's a complicated situation that I just want to be over. I'm ready to move on with whatever the final resolution is...

 

Defense rising:

The one thing I really like about the Packers' defense is that I feel like they are mostly all on the rise. Young players who should continue to show improvement as opposed to older players on the decline. Add a new defensive scheme and a high-energy DC to the mix and I expect them to take a big step forward.

 

Myers Lemon or Lemonade?

Drafting a center in Round 2 is not draft business as usual for the Packers, and with two highly rated centers available at that pick, going with Myers leaves little doubt the Packers were looking to make some quick tasty lemonade with Myers. Listening to his press conference yesterday, it was great to hear that he made all of the line calls in both the run AND the pass game at Ohio State. He also said (I'm paraphrasing here) that what he loves about playing center vs guard is that he has to understand the entire play and what everyone's role is on any given play He definitely sounds like an intelligent guy with quiet confidence in his ability to do the job. I need to see how he looks against live competition, but I feel good about him from the mental aspect.

 

Stoked:

Although they are the same age, listening to Eric Stokes' presser was a world of difference from Myers'. Stokes sounds like what you would expect, a fun-loving 22 year-old whereas Myers sounds more like he's a mature 32. Stokes broke out a hearty laugh and an "It's crazy..." on almost every question he was asked. He sounds like he still can't believe where he's at and his good fortune to be there. There's little doubt he will bring a positive energy to this defense - I hope he's good enough to get plenty of playing time year 1.

 

Rodgers:

Amari, that is...Unlike Stokes, the 21 year-old Rodgers comes across as all business. He's known for his work ethic and it comes through in his tone when he speaks. He won't be the guy slacking off in practice and I believe he will play with a fearless type of attitude out there, despite his size. I'm probably looking forward to see him on the field more than any other new addition to the team.

 

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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

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TomFisher's picture

June 16, 2021 at 06:12 am

Couldn't agree with you more on the ARod issue Al. Trade him, bring him back, do whatever, just come to a resolution and let's be done with it.

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Bearmeat's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:33 pm

Unfortunately, I think he will show up halfway through August, and we have constant passive-aggressive pressers, anonymous media leaks. We win the division but lose quickly in the playoffs because the team never gels due to all the drama. Then we trade him in March of 22.

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Minniman's picture

June 16, 2021 at 02:54 pm

Maybe. There's only really 2 "skill-position" offensive players that are yet to play with Rodgers (Amari Rodgers and Funchess). Perhaps it could be argued that the C Meyers needs reps with Rodgers too.

I tend to agree with Bruce Irons' article a few weeks ago - lets use this time to see what we have in Jordan Love and get him as many reps as possible with the 1's.

If and when A-Rod returns, 16 seasons in the league indicates that he'll be nothing but professional - he only stands to lose by being anything but that...... his future at GB or trade potential are riding on it.

So if he does return, then I don't see them not gelling........I was listening to Pat McAfee and AJ Hawk interview David Bakhtiari the other day and all three spoke about the contractual side of football as "the business" and how important it was to a) not insult your team-mates by asking them about it or talking about it with them, and 2) don't bring it onto the field...... if you are on the field, you are playing with 100% of your attention. This may be hyperbole, but the 3 are at least speaking from experience.

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CoachDino's picture

June 16, 2021 at 03:07 pm

Agreed - Even if Rodgers is leaving after the season he is still playing for a new contract with his new team.

Considering all the factors that go into a season and making a Playoff run, if he plays all this noise before the season will be the absolute least of the factors impacting outcome...

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greengold's picture

June 16, 2021 at 06:49 am

Complicated
That says it all, and I’m right with you, Al.

Defense Rising
Pretty damned exciting changes from a number of different directions (Draft, UDFA, Joe Barry, Player Development) all converging to make what look to be positive changes. Preston Smith coming into Minicamp in prime condition is great to see. Shemar Jean-Charles could turn out to be a steal. Maybe one of many. I’m pretty stoked to see that secondary, and what Slaton and Keke are able to provide up front. Delontae Scott, Innis Gaines, Christian Uphoff & Ray Wilborn are guys I’m really pulling for to help make a difference rounding out this D.

Before I forget, listening to Rashan Gary has me ready to run through a wall. Savage brings a lot of encouragement too.

Myers Lemonade
You’re not kidding. The poise of a gentleman decades older. He has me pretty excited for our continued success on OL. Super encouraging Q&A with Josh Myers.

Eric Stokes
Stoked. He was my favorite CB in this draft, and it’s pretty fun imagining him opposite Jaire. Good to see that truly youthful & genuine enthusiasm. Hearing him speak with reverence on his instruction with Jerry Gray was supercool.

Amari Rodgers
Again, another highly drafted player with the poise of a gentleman decades older. You can see Amari is a consummate professional, and that he’s hungry to make an impact on this team.

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CoachDino's picture

June 16, 2021 at 04:35 pm

GG - I'm with you and Al on the D rising/trending up.
1) Young and developing is a great point and really the biggest area for instant impact IMO.
2) I'm not going to depend much on She-Mar and Stokes as I am on a step up by a 2nd or 3rd year DB on the roster. Be it Scott, Holman, Ento even Jackson. Stokes maybe but Shemar is what a 5th Rd pick? I wouldn't count on much year 1 impact there.

3) Yet, I do think a NT position can impact sooner, so if Slayton can free up Clarke and Keke and even allow the D to keep 3 IDL on the field more its another positive..

4) the one thing I'm not hearing but IMO led to the biggest turnaround in the Defensive improvement last year was the commitment to fundamentals
- Assignment/Gap discipline (Z and Preston were terrible at times)
- Tackling - Worst 2021 Defensive team stat
- Swarm to the ball / Hustle

Sure more "energy" from the coach sounds nice, aggressiveness does as well, but I don't beleive the amount of energy from the coach or the aggressiveness of the calls had anything to do with poor performance. I don't want to be more aggresiive up 21 points going into the 4th Qtr or even the 2nd half if you don't have to be. Winning 31-14 is as much of a win as 31-24

How many games did the Packers lose last year becuase they eren't aggressive enough in the 4th Qtr or 2nd half?

It was often the offense that took a break from aggressiveness or lack of scoring let allowed teams to creep back in.

So in the end did we really want K king up on the line of scrimmage to cover guys be it 1st and 10 or 3rd and 4?

just saying IMO thye coach speak isn't of value.

The team certainly did a great job explaining why the Myers pick made sense with "higher" rated IOL still on the board. Makes sense on paper but l'll be nervous until I see it on the field.

I like Amari as a player and as a pick but I am very interested to see hpw much Offesive snaps he really gets with Josiah D back, AJ Dillon getting more snaps, I ASSUME, than Williams did and just the NFL/AR learning curve. Putting him in means taking out MVS,AL, EQS or Funchess as I don't see Amari playing much as the #2 WR in a 2 WR formation. Just by definition of Slot Receiver.

Last thing on the DB's my hope is that Barry now has the players that allows him to make adjustments. So maybe Savage plays the Star against teams that are most likely or are taking advantage of Chandon and Scott plays Safety. Or Savage stays at safety and Chandon at the Slot. or/or/or

Seems in the past the packers were always a what you see is what you get and they just had to play with what they had.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:34 am

Hey Dino,
Yeah, I guess I mentioned Preston & “Sherm” straight off the bat because they might be the two most surprising players we’ll see this year in rising above expectations.

Preston Smith 2019-2020: Tackles fell from 56 to 42, Solo 36 to 29, sacks production dropped from 12 to 4, TFL 11 to 7 and QB Hits 23 to 11.

I think his returning this year in better shape signals his desire to achieve better production than we saw last season, and that would mean a great deal for this D.

Much has been made of Chubb as a possible trade piece in AR trade scenarios, and it got me thinking. Thought I’d check his stats to compare him with Z:

Bradley Chubb - 42 Tackles, 25 Solo, 9 TFL, 19 QB Hits, 7.5 Sacks
Za’Darius Smith - 52 Tackles, 35 Solo, 12 TFL, 23 QB Hits, 12.5 Sacks

Turns out both Z & Preston are arguably equal or better players. Good to keep that in perspective.

Shemar Jean-Charles was a player with a lot of buzz leading up to the draft for his huge production at nickel CB. Not all good players come out of the Power 5 conferences. Scouts takes vary wildly. I heard one scout say he would do great too in a pee wee league. Sherm played at Appalachian State.

I’ll believe the Packers scouts who made Sherm their pick at 178. Jean-Charles was a 2nd Team All-American. Semifinalist for the Bednarik Award (nation’s top defender) and Thorpe Award (nation’s top defensive back). PFF’s Sun Belt Player of the Year as a senior.

Jean-Charles’ 32.7% Catch rate allowed is the 3rd lowest ever recorded by a CB in PFF’s 8 year history.

He’s s one of those Florida guys with an uncanny knack for getting to his spot and making plays on the ball. If he gets the opportunity to contribute on D and he balls out, that could go a long way on the plus side. Watching his hand work and timing in breaking up passes is really something to see. His athletic testing numbers were not great for whatever reason. I think that, coupled with small school made him last as long as he did to 178 at end of R5. The guy looks athletic alright. Wow. Big strength & burst.

I’d suggest anyone here should watch his highlights, and you’ll know what I mean.

Sherm’s a real student of the game, prides himself on his film study & prep. The guy loves playing STs, and I think he could surprise. Slaton is another player I really like for this Packers D, both players from R5.

There’s a lot to like with the - potential - added recently. New DC should be a plus. Trusting LaFleur on that one.

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dobber's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:41 am

"I think his returning this year in better shape signals his desire to achieve better production than we saw last season, and that would mean a great deal for this D."

I think his returning in better shape indicates professionalism and some degree of normalization in off-season regimens. It might also indicate that he knows 2021 is his audition tape for his next--and probably last--significant contract.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:50 am

No doubt.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 17, 2021 at 08:20 am

Al, GG, Coach Dino,
All really good comments and would have to agree on most everything said.

I was SO IMPRESSED with Myers presser! WOW! The guy is a rookie center and he comes across so mature. That presser alone made him a favorite for me. Because of that interview I am going to really be watching him closely and really rooting for him. Normally you just don't really pay that much attention to an OL other than does he do his job. Myers parents did a great job raising him and it shows.

Just so excited about all the young 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year player talent and potential. Yes, they have to prove it on the field but when was the last time the Packers seemingly had so many young and upcoming players on the team? Stokes definitely has a wide eyed appearance but with enthusiasm and energy. I love it and very excited about him and will keep a super close eye on him this year. I think all of us are excited about Amari and the impact he makes. I'm super excited about what Amari and Tonyan can do in the center of the field together. It is going to make life miserable for opposing DC's. Coach Dino makes some really good points about when he will be on the field.

Yes, I agree with some assessment from others that this Rodger's hold out will extend into probably mid-August but maybe later. I do not believe he will want to miss game 1. My strong preference is to trade Rodger's and get a number of young talent on their rookie contracts along with future draft choices. Adding an influx of additional talent with the young talent the Packers currently have will make the Packers a very strong contender for the next 3-5 years. I also very much agree with Brandt that the longer Rodger's stays away it allows Love to continue to develop. It also gives Bortles extra snaps in camp as well. I really am not sure any of this Rodger's diva act could have worked out any better. Certainly us fans have been worked up about Rodger's, and no doubt the FO has as well. At the end of the day once training camp and 90 degree days roll around I guarantee none of the players are going to give much thought about Rodger's. Their focus will be on surviving camp and making the roster regardless of whether Rodger's is there or not. However one feels about the 'complicated' Rodger's and FO arm wrestling match this is a GREAT time to be a Packer fan. Talent and young talent with lots of upside on this team at nearly every position. Of course, much will depend on Jordan Love and his ability and success. After watching every possible video of Love in college, and reading everything I can about him I am stoked. Stick him in LF's offense with the OL, the RB's, TE's, and WR's and I see nothing but success with him rapidly developing with each game he is behind center. Rodger's can stay or he goes but this Packer team is going to surprise, shock, and dominant for a lot of years. I give this credit to MM, Gutey, and LF.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 09:19 am

Great stuff, KnockTheSnotOutOfYou.

Yeah, in light of what Al was saying to start, I'm going to stay away from the Rodgers stuff.

As to the rest, I agree. We have little to go on with all of these players being we have yet to hit TC. OTAs are all shorts, helmets, no pads, but knowing that, what we've been able to glean has been encouraging, as have many of the reports from our Packers beat writers and other information we've been able to dig up.

It's like this every year. We all know the negatives will present themselves being these are rookies, but seeing the positives is always a good sign, whether it be in plays made or in words said. We have to take it all with that grain of salt, but I find what we've learned to be encouraging.

I like to look at what players can bring to the table from deep in a draft and the UDFA pool, because I study those players leading up to the draft. I look back at drafts and think of what we could have done differently. There were a solid 10 players I wanted that were available to us in R6. Personally, I found our choices there a head scratcher, after doing what I felt was a remarkable job in R5.

Could the Van Lanen pick have been a PR move for the team in light of the shitstorm they are in now? Feeble, IMO, but, possible. Guessing not though, and that Gutekunst really felt adding another OT/OG to the mix was his best choice there - especially with "road grading" in mind with emphasis on a heavy rushing attack. I would have much rather added another DL with the pick.

As for McDuffie, I'm reminded of how outrageously weak the Packers were in our O & D on KR/PR - at or near the bottom of the NFL all 4 phases there. McDuffie is a tackling machine. There is no doubt there, and he has insane burst in short areas. Also a coach's son. He knows the game, is all about playing LB. When that choice was made, I thought immediately about the Shemar Jean-Charles pick, and could see this tail end of the draft being more about STs than anything else, because Sherm loves playing STs. Not looking for either player to contribute much at their respective positions outside of that, but it doesn't mean they can't.

Eric Stokes has great speed and proven abilities as a punt/kick blocker coming off the edge. Amari Rodgers is a solid but not great PR who can also provide KR. WR Bailey Gaither is good at both KR/PR, and as a gunner. S Christian Uphoff is also a great KR and gunner, with both length & speed. Ray Wilborn is a monster tackler who also has great length, size & speed, as a 6-3 230 ILB/S hybrid. S Innis Gaines is another tackling machine with length & speed.

After the draft/UDFA was over, I got to thinking Gutekunst may have really focused heavily on giving Maurice Drayton some better players to work with. I mean, if you want to improve your ST units, improve the personnel there! That has me thinking Burks & Summers are gone, along with a bunch of others from the bottom of our roster. Looks to me like his selections/signings were very pointed in this regard.

Gutekunst's comments regarding this being a tough roster to make for UDFAs might have been intended to inspire those signings to compete to their fullest. Personally, I think a handful of them will win out some spots.

Big challenges are in house for TC at multiple positions for many Packers players from the 2020 roster. It's early, but fun to project out in thinking how this team and its fortunes might change.

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stockholder's picture

June 16, 2021 at 06:44 am

It's complicated.- It didn't have be. He wanted to be traded. Defense Rising- It still needs more. A lot more. I hope the rookies all do well. But I'm not a person who flip flops. I need more proof. Without Rodgers where do they Rank? Rankings are for the FO. If your a winning team. You have 1 thing in mind. A Ring.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:53 am

I thought he wanted to be assured of playing out his career in GB?? Not much has come out of his mouth but all the speculation of what he said is all we got.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:31 pm

Remember how the NFL started: bookies, track owners, bootleggers, meat packers and used car dealers. That's how front offices operate in the big leagues.

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NickPerry's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:02 am

"Personally, I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out who to point the finger at - it's a complicated situation that I just want to be over. I'm ready to move on with whatever the final resolution is..."

Unfortunately Al I think a large majority of fans are ready to move on which IMO truly sucks! I had a BLAST watching the Packers and Rodgers last season even though Rodgers lost his 5th straight NFCCG. They had gotten David Bahkatiri signed, Clark signed, resigned Aaron Jones, and got rid of Mike Pettine. 2021 was going to be THE year.

The defense is ready to take another jump. The offense, the HIGHEST scoring offense was bring back 10 or the 11 starters, and Rodgers LOOKED like he was having fun again. No more death stares on the field at teammates, at least compared to other seasons, AND he was the MVP. This WAS going to be the year.

Then draft night happened and all the positive feelings I had about 2021 took a hit. No one is saying much of anything except the one idiot who just needs to shut-up (I'm looking at you MM). MLF and Gute have all said the right things and Rodgers hasn't said much of anything except to Kenny M which was all well thought out and planned by Rodgers.

Now every time I go on the internet, I'm bombarded by click-bait articles about the Packers and Rodgers and I'm tired of it. I'm at a point where I honestly DON'T CARE if he stays or go's. Obviously I'd prefer he stays but for a guy who says it's all about the people, I don't think he's treating the people right...Say SOMETHING!

If we must trade him to Las Vegas. I'm quite sure that maniac Gruden would give up just about everything to get Rodgers. Players, picks, and not much of a chance to hurt the Packers moving forward. I happen to think Jordon Love will be more than good enough to lead the Packers into the playoffs. He may not get us to the SB THIS year, but the guy who signed the HUGE contract a few years ago and still has 3 years left on it didn't get us there either.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:31 am

Biggest thing to remember is it is clickbait articles. And guys who are out there posting crap to get the likes and get the views to their webpages.

We have not heard anything new. Unless you count "he's a complicated fella" as solid news, we haven't heard anything. Until we hear from Rodgers, until we hear from Gutey or LaFleur, most of the crap is just talk.

Until then I will listen to James Jones who has said he has had multiple talks with Rodgers. He says its fixable, so we will see what happens.

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egbertsouse's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:31 am

Jones puts out as much clickbait crap as the rest of them. He’s just like Bert Farve, an ex-jock desperate to stay relevant.

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Minniman's picture

June 16, 2021 at 03:07 pm

Nick, re your comment "Unfortunately Al I think a large majority of fans are ready to move on which IMO truly sucks!"

I'd offer that most of the fans are more Green Bay Packers fans rather than one individual player. Like when Favre left, I sure as heck didn't suddenly become a Jets or Vikings fan. Sure, it did suck seeing him in "enemy" colors, but that's the nature of the game, but my support of the Packers didn't change.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 17, 2021 at 06:11 am

Love your last sentence.

Perspective...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 17, 2021 at 08:34 am

Nick,
Great comments and a thumbs up as usual but had to laugh at this comment:

"I'm at a point where I honestly DON'T CARE if he stays or go's. Obviously I'd prefer he stays but for a guy who says it's all about the people, I don't think he's treating the people right...Say SOMETHING"!

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:11 am

It's Complicated:
When we don't really know exactly what the "tiff" is about, its hard to pick out a villain. Basically what it seems to me is Rodgers wants more of a long term commitment from the team and the team isn't willing to commit fully to him long term. Which can't blame either side really. At this point, Rodgers needs to be at camp if they want a realistic shot at a super bowl run. Up until this point, it really doesn't matter what happened.

Defense rising:
This defense can be legit scary good this year. All of these players have the potential to take a huge step forward. Gary, Savage, Keke, Barnes, Martin. That doesn't include the likes of Preston Smith who took a step back last year, but by all reports he has slimmed down and looks to be in fantastic shape. That doesn't include Kevin King, who is back on a prove it deal. It doesn't include the rookies Stokes, Slaton, Jean-Charles, McDuffie. That list doesn't include guys who could come out of nowhere to surprise people in the new defense. Josh Jackson, Henry Black, Vernon Scott, Jonathan Garvin, Tipa Galeai. Or how about some UDFA's that may surprise like Barnes did last year. Guys like Christian Uphoff, Jack Heflin or others.
This defense has a ton of upside. I'm looking forward to seeing how it comes together.

Myers Lemon or Lemonade?
I feel that the Packers thought Myers was a plug and play OC. If Gutey hits on Myers in the 2nd round, he maybe at his best at drafting OL in the 2nd round. Thompson was great at it in the 4th round and great at drafting WR's in the 2nd. Gutey already knocked one out of the freaking park with Jenkins. Lets see if he did it again with Myers.

Stoked:
If Stokes comes in and becomes a starter right away our defense is going to be that much better for it, because he will have to earn it. King is a veteran, who will not give up the spot easily. Sullivan has a lot of experience. Jackson is a guy who could try to compete yet. There is a lot of competition.
I'm excited to see what Stokes can do with the Packers. Alexander locks one side down, meaning the other CB's will get a lot of action. The other thing to consider here is the style of defense they are going to play. If they play like the Rams had played the saftey's won't allow much over the top, which means Stokes can use his speed a little more to 'gamble'. His speed could be a huge factor for the defense this year.

Rodgers:
I'm with you on looking forward to seeing him more then anyone. Biggest reason is he is a guy who could make an instant impact as a return man, and as a WR. He can do the jet motion stuff, play the slot, line up in the backfield if they want. He is a hell of a good chess piece to have especially with LaFleur's offense. I can't wait to see how they use him, and how he can make the team better. Another way I think he could be really good, is in the screen game. If they stack the WR's he is a guy that if you can get behind MVS and Lazard, allow them to get a couple of blocks he will use his speed and quickness to pick up a lot of yards in a hurry. I don't know how much he will be used early, but I think they will have plays designated just for him!

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BradHTX's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:14 am

RC, your responses to this column are always as worthwhile as the column itself. Thanks for always posting such insightful replies.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:11 am

Appreciate that Brad!

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Bearmeat's picture

June 16, 2021 at 02:05 pm

RC,

We will see about the defense. Barry has never even had a remotely good defense as a DC. The Packers defense also has come up small when it mattered for the better part of 30 years too.

Basically, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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flackcatcher's picture

June 16, 2021 at 05:37 pm

Barry for one of the few times in his career has the personnel on the defensive side. That said, we won't know much freedom he will have as a DC until four or fives games in the season.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:32 am

I have no clue how he plans to run the defense. We will see. But from what it sounds like, they are going to run a similar style defense to how the Rams have been running their defense.

The thing about Barry is he has never had the talent he has now. And the defenses he has been apart of got worse after he left.

The one thing that I do like hearing his how hands on he is. Players respond well to that type of stuff.

We will find out how good the defense will be, but I really do believe we have the players to be great. If the scheme is the right one, look out!

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nostradanus's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:17 am

I’m offended!?
Complicated Fella!?
Both of these guys Rodgers and Murphy are acting like F’ING idiots!
End this already! Stay or go both of you but end this!
Seriously this Has to get resolved now if it doesn’t the season could be on the line.

Stokes - Meyers -A Rodgers, what a breath a fresh air they are and they all WANT to be in Green Bay!
That’s a good start!

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MarkinMadison's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:28 am

Follow Bakh's lead. Grab a bag of popcorn. This show will probably run at least another five weeks.

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MarkinMadison's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:26 am

I really like what the Packers did in the draft, both this year and last year. Setting aside the Love/Rodgers saga for a minute, I see five guys taken in the first three rounds over the last two years who are all poised to be contributors this year. Dillon is going to get his this year, and Deguara has a real shot to contribute. Martin and Runyan kicked in last year as well, just like Newman and Jean-Charles could very well play meaningful snaps this year. Then look at the 2019 draft class where your first three picks were Gary, Savage and Jenkins. One guy has already made the Pro Bowl. The other two may very well join him in the next few years. That is a hell of a draft, even if no one else from the class pans out. So yeah, I'm stoked about Stokes. I'm excited about Myers. I'm anticipating what Amari Rodgers will do for this offense. All in, whomever is lining up under center.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:49 am

"Then look at the 2019 draft class where your first three picks were Gary, Savage and Jenkins. One guy has already made the Pro Bowl. "

I think if your GM averages a pro bowler out of each draft, that's going to mean that over time (given second contracts) you've consistently got 6+ pro bowlers on your roster. It's hard to sneeze at that.

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BradHTX's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:16 am

It would be. I don’t think it’s the case for most franchises so if it turns out to be the case with Gute, it would be a really amazing thing for the Packers.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:43 am

My reflection after the draft was that the Packers seemed to be favoring players who have played a lot of ball and from high-end programs. They didn't go looking for the one-year, high-ceiling-low-floor wonders or the RAS freaks (although there are plenty of good athletes in this year's rookie group). It could be with covid that they decided to err on the side of letting play in 2020 dictate those choices. I'd hope there would be more maturity and perspective in this group as a result, and that might mean several step on the field ready to play from day 1.

I think Stokes grants this defense some real flexibility in how it handles its DBs: he's primarily a perimeter player, but has covered the slot. It gives that extra inside-outside guy who can allow King and Alexander to flex however they're needed. That's presuming they trust Stokes enough to put him on the field early...and I think they will.

As for the defense overall, I'm going to reserve judgment until we see something tangible. Largely the same personnel, the same position coaches, just a new DC. Sound familiar? 2018? I think the sentiment around here was that Pettine needed to go and that anyone could do better. Many of us were unhappy with what had become a more passive approach over the last couple years. I'd love to see an aggressive, attacking defense...would that create some big plays for opponents? Of course. But playing hard, playing fast, and letting the chips fall is much easier to endure than 3 man rushes, soft zones, and DB's playing 10 yards off WRs on 3rd and 5..

People keep pointing to AmRod as a Cobb-esque player, but I think he looks much more like Ty Montgomery. Some might cringe at that, but I think the Montgomery experiment failed for two reasons: MM didn't know what to do with him and Monty couldn't stay on the field. If you go back to Monty's rookie year, before he got hurt, he was getting more and more snaps in sweep motion, direct handoffs, and flat routes. I think this is where AmRod starts and it should expand from there.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:03 am

I think the problem with Montgomery was in part that he hit MM after MM’s thinking had ossified into the scheme being everything and players needed to fit it or fail. Cobb arrived before that, and I think that gave him the chance to establish a role. I do expect Rodgers to be used more like the early use of Cobb than RB era Montgomery.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:20 am

I never understood MMs desire to make Montgomery strictly a RB--yes, the RB room was thin at the time, but TT did little to help prop that up. That position change seemed to be MMs response to a player he didn't know how to use.

Bonus points for the use of "ossified"!

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:58 pm

Monty hasn't really shown anything with any of the teams he played for.

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Tundraboy's picture

June 17, 2021 at 03:11 pm

Awesom post Coldworld as usual. You also might have outdone yourself with Ossified!

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:05 am

" It could be with covid that they decided to err on the side of letting play in 2020 dictate those choices."

This is a great point Dobber. With this year of Covid they did seem to go with the picks of players who proved it more on the field, rather then their athletic skills. Don't get me wrong these guys do have the athletic skills, but they did seem to go with more of the proven type of guys. For example in the 6th round they took Van Lanen who had played in 45 games at UW.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:12 am

Some don't like the Stokes pick, but overall this was a "safe" draft. Many of these guys are going to play out their rookie deals in GB, and several are solid candidates to play a lot early and get second contracts. This is the kind of draft that raises the talent floor on your roster, even if there aren't a lot of guys who make draft analysts stand up and cheer.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:26 am

This was the anti 2020 draft: drafting for this year not next. Should make the preseason and ultimate team more interesting as together it’s a big evolution in terms of potential and into the LaFleur’s vision. That just adds to the frustration that Rodgers does not want to join the party and distracting from perhaps the most interesting pre season in a long time. Maybe it’s better to close the chapter and start the LaFleur vision with a QB that is baggage free, however rocky he may find life in the NFL.

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RCPackerFan's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:35 am

I thought this was a smart well thought out draft. Not necessarily Flashy, though they did get some flashy players. Stokes and Rodgers can be the flashy players.

Myers could be a plug and play OC. Newman could become a key contributor early on the OL, and possibly even a starter early on. Van Lanen, could be a solid back up right away or might be a PS type of guy. Won't know until training camp/preseason. They at the very least are providing depth.
Slaton is a guy that has the size and ability to really help the team.

Jean-Charles and McDuffie likely will be key factors on special teams early. Possibly defensive players eventually. Hill could be our RB3 this year. I really like that pick. He is a guy to really watch in camp.

Top pick to last pick, everyone made sense.

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flackcatcher's picture

June 17, 2021 at 10:59 am

What is really impressive about this draft, is the backfill of the roster with players who have a real chance to start, or be core players in the Packer system. There is a depth to this roster that hasn't been there in the past three years. So, with a little luck, when this team hits the Cap Wall, (and they will) Gute and company will be looking at a retooling, rather than a rebuild.

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Minniman's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:44 pm

Funny, at the time of the draft I posted about a bleacher report interview that had a said ‘draft analyst’ and Aqib Talib commenting on the pick. The draft analyst ‘hated’ the pick, but Talib said he loved it…….’that guy can play!- he has a nose for finding the ball’. Yep, it’s early days, but I’m inclined to side with a pro bowl cb on evaluating cb talent.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 01:26 pm

Thanks for sharing that, Minniman. I agree with you. SUPERCOOL!!!!

Stokes was hands down my favorite CB for the Packers to draft. Thought they might have the chance, and I'm glad they did. He's a special talent. His speed is remarkable. His play is solid. Jerry Gray can fix the grabby stuff. If Talib likes the pick, that could spell good things ahead for us. All of those former players know.

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NickPerry's picture

June 17, 2021 at 05:55 am

" But playing hard, playing fast, and letting the chips fall is much easier to endure than 3 man rushes, soft zones, and DB's playing 10 yards off WRs on 3rd and 5.."

OMG yes please!!!! Nothing and I mean NOTHING drove me more nuts while watching Pettines defense on 3rd & 5 then watching our DB's lining up10 yards off and 3 pass rushers smashing into 5 O-Linemen getting nowhere. What was worse was watching them line up 10 yards off, immediately start to back peddle, maintaining a 10 yard cushion and an easy completion on a 6 yard out!

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Tundraboy's picture

June 18, 2021 at 08:39 am

Exactly NP. I mean how does any team win that way? Playing off always is a recipe for disaster.

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gkarl's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:44 am

Reading Mindset always make me feel better about the GBP, thanks Al.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:50 am

Agreed. One of the highlights of my week.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:44 am

Definitely my favorite read for Al’s perspectives and usually the best subsequent discussion as well.

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Guam's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:45 am

I was critical of the Love draft choice when it happened and thought the Packers should have been all in on Rodgers' last few years. Now I am ready to move on from Rodgers despite the fact that this will diminish a 2021 team that with Rodgers would be a solid SB contender.

Why my change? Rodgers' smirky, snarky attitude. His interview promoting his upcoming golf match versus Mickelson and Brady was classic Rodgers - all tongue in cheek snark with a tee shirt that said "I'm offended". Rodgers is an extraordinary football talent, but he is not a leader. Every other football player earns his position every year, but Rodgers wants security rather than competition and is willing to throw away his best shot at a championship in a decade to feed his ego. He is all about himself and not the team.

Trade him.

PS: Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or just need more coffee, but that interview was the last straw for me. I wanted him back before I saw that but not now.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 07:57 am

"I was critical of the Love draft choice when it happened..."

A lot of us were and still are. I've been bearish on the 2020 draft from the get-go, and still am. There's not much on-field there to hang your hat on, yet (don't get going on Deguara--he played limited snaps, blew up one guy with a block, and then went on IR), which was a problem for a lot of people who--after the Smiths, Amos, etc. spending spree--expected more of an aggressive turn from BG toward winning SBs now. I think that was the biggest issue for people like me: what's the roster plan? The 2020 draft didn't indicate a linear path based on the previous season's roster management.

We keep talking about how draft classes need 3 years to truly be evaluated, but it's starting to look like we'll have a good feel for 2020s draft about midway through this season.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:08 am

We still need to understand that players need time. Personally, Love caught me off guard, but the thrust of the draft as a vehicle to convert the roster to reflect LaFleur’s vision seemed surprisingly clear behind that. Let’s hope injury permits and LaFleur shows us why.

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greengold's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:15 am

I like what you're saying, Coldworld.

"I’d rather talk with a realistic hope of winning... I'd rather talk football ..."

In the interest of this, I'd like to offer one point on the Love pick, which I think took us all off guard. My pick at #30 for the Packers in 2020 was WR Michael Pittman Jr. I'd like to imagine what that would have meant to our offense last year, and how that may have changed the world we find ourselves in today.

Regardless, they popped up 4 draft positions to take Love. To your point, maybe that was the MOST surprisingly clear vehicle to reflect Matt LaFleur's vision. They clearly felt so. While he's being forced into action a year earlier than intended, he's still the one MLF & BG felt was the far more beneficial choice and route to take for this Packers team, knowing fully the ramifications.

I'm going to trust them until they give me reason not to. This will be one of Matt LaFleur's greatest coaching challenges ever, simply for the pressure that surrounds this real need to produce at the QB position. I think LaFleur & his staff will see to it that he is put into his best possible situations to realize success. I'm 100% confident that they will, and we might be seeing something very special, and that in itself might catch us all off guard, in a good way.

Coupled with the additions of players like Deguara, Amari, Myers, Dillon, Hill, Funchess and maybe Gaither, things could wind up being pretty fun offensively. LaFleur will be able to run exactly what he wants, and I'm looking forward to seeing that materialize for the Packers.

Players like Amari Rodgers, Josiah Deguara & Bailey Gaither are right in Matt LaFleur's wheelhouse for all the jet and wheel components in his offense. Add in Funchess and what I think we all can expect to be an even better Bob Tonyan, and we ought to be in store for some magic mixed in with the punishing ground games of Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon.

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nostradanus's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:24 am

You make good points GG

Maybe MLF is ready to make his mark as a QB guru and developer and he himself needs to get out from under the HEAVY YOKE that is Aaron Rodgers.

Maybe Packers management also feels that for MLF to fully blossom it must be without an aging, injury prone high maintenance QB who doesn’t seem invested in the TEAM only in his own drama.

Early on I was with Rodgers now I’m done!

It’s time to experience the “summer of Love” bra

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HawkPacker's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:31 am

All good comments GG.

You have to admit, the Packers FO is going to select the players they feel are the best for GB and they are not going to follow the draftniks.

It is apparent that they felt Love was the best value pick for them at that point and was the only worthy 'first round' player still available. They took Josh Myers, who was not the top rated center that was available, but they followed their board on who to select. You see that with Deguara as well.

You just have to have faith in the FO as they know a lot more about the talent than all of us know. It is starting to show with Gutey and the boys after his first few drafts.

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MarkinMadison's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:42 am

The Love pick makes sense if you think long-term. The Dillon and Deguara picks make sense when you think about the kind of offense they want to run. The three picks collectively were an attempt at giving the offense an infusion of talent. It may work, it may not, but Gutey was telling you exactly what he wants to see from his offense. And really, Rodgers, year one of the MLF offense, it was hard to tell if he was going to get on board the train or not. So yeah, I get what that draft was about.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:37 am

I think it’s Gute giving LaFleur what he wants. Whether by authority or because they work well together, LaFleur is getting the parts that seem to match his vision. There is no doubt in my mind that what we are seeing is Gute assembling players in the mold LaFleur needs to fulfill the vision he sold Murphy to get the HC role.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:29 pm

Agree. My take too.

After Matt's first year, the 2020 draft looked like the culmination of a self scout review by him to Gutey.

"We need to continue to build the run game to be dominant...keep the OL versatile and as good run blocking as pass pro....solid TEs who can block, and a great running back room. We need to be feared as an offense....especially in the run game. And we need better backup at QB."

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dobber's picture

June 17, 2021 at 08:52 am

An offense that can run the ball at will is very hard to stop.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:56 am

why don't you ask the players if he's a leader or not...thats just your opinion, another guy who dislikes Rodgers personality and attitude....what if he went on with that interview and blasted the Packers organization and Murphy, then what would you say??

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Coldworld's picture

June 17, 2021 at 09:08 am

Ask the players and you put them in an invidious position between team and Rodgers. In any group of 50 people you are going to get multiple shades of opinion across the spectrum from Rodgers to team, add to that the fact that most will not feel free to speak. Even Bakh and Adams were highly circumspect and careful to neither deny relationship to Rodgers nor the FO.

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Guam's picture

June 16, 2021 at 06:01 pm

Don't need to. I have been in leadership positions most of my adult life and have a pretty good idea of what leadership looks like. Rodgers current antics don't qualify.

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Savage57's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:05 am

This current drama, like the one's which preceded it and will inevitably follow, asks a fan to remember the axiom about Serenity, Courage, and Wisdom.

Rodgers needs to find someone who'll be his Ambassador of Quan.

As to the rookie's prospects? Pretty much the same deal, but no ambassadors needed.

Yet.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:28 am

I penned a missive about how I felt after the Favre transition. And ditched it. I don’t care what shirt Rodgers wears, to be honest I don’t care about what he does outside of when he’s with thPackers. I don’t care about his ego. I care about talking football and the team and this is like choke weed.

I’d rather talk with a realistic hope of winning, but I’d rather talk football than Rodgers personal whims, wants and wrongs, real or imagined. Im ready to move on if that is what has to be. It’s not like Rodgers or Murphy give a damn about what I think anyway.

I don’t like Divas and I don’t like Murphy’s desire for status and attention. Neither are appropriate. Neither are interesting. Both are evident. Let’s talk and watch football not ##* shirts and media appearances

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:38 am

" I care about talking football and the team and this is like choke weed."

Could not agree more.

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murf7777's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:06 am

“I don’t like Divas and I don’t like Murphy’s desire for status and attention. I don’t like Divas and I don’t like Murphy’s desire for status and attention.“.

Couldn’t of said it better….two thumbs up!!

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Leatherhead's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:56 am

CW….Rodgers will leave. At some point, Love, Dillon, and Deguara will take over the offense.

The defense gets maligned unfairly and that won’t stop. As soon as we give up a first down, the usual suspects will start bleating how pathetic they are. Reality is this was a pretty decent group in 2019, it got a little better in 2020, and it could be a little better this year if we stay healthy.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I rewatched the game in Chicago. MVS catches a long TD and drops another. We fumble a punt return. Chicago had been hot offensively, scoring 140 in the four previous games, but didn’t really do much after the first quarter.

This was the second best team in the division, at home, on a hot streak, with a playoff berth on the line, and we crushed them. I expect more of the same this year.

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byu.tech's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:03 am

people really thinks to be in top 10 with that bunch of bad qb's??? ahahahah
smoke must be good in GB!
that could also be a reason why murphy still is the president.
fans kick in the ass their legenday HOF QB and let that useless to be the president

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nostradanus's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:14 am

I guess the real issue that needs to be answered is, how committed is Rodgers to football!? He seems so caught up in being offended, impressing his young, activist girlfriend and being a “bra” to act like he’s 25.
How invested can he be in winning a Super Bowl?

He’s had 1 great year in the last 5! Who’s to say that wasn’t because of MLF? Also, guys that hold out usually end up missing games!

Maybe it’s time to cut bait with Mr. Hollywood, take our lumps with Love for a few seasons and build this team to a place where we don’t need an “offended diva” to win a Super Bowl!

I mean this alleged Super Star MVP has LOST 4 Championship games in a row!!

I’m done!

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Packerpasty's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:57 am

and so could the Packers be done, reaching playoffs...we will see..

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Bure9620's picture

June 17, 2021 at 02:03 am

Agreed. The relationship is obviously irreparable. You CANNOT win a championship with that dysfunction. I would rather watch the ups and downs of Love developing than another NFCCG loss Rodgers and the media blame on everyone(thing) other than Rodgers.

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PeteK's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:32 am

Absolutely, the D is young and rising, the O formidable, and we have depth at many positions. However, Rod annoyingly has put a cloud on the whole season. In my opinion, Rodgers has made it complicated. He signed a lucrative contract that had a possible out after 2021. If he wasn't happy with the contract, that would have been the time to hold out. We all know why he didn't hold out then. So now he wants to get paid as he plays. In actuality it is that because if he plays great again it will be difficult to cut him in 2022. If he's back for the first day of camp which I think is the most likely scenario; I will forgive and get on with a possibly memorable and great season.

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:24 am

"If he's back for the first day of camp which I think is the most likely scenario; ..."

I think you're right. My question is: how will he respond at that first home game-- when they announce the starters--when he's booed. Because he will be. I don't know how he will react.

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PeteK's picture

June 16, 2021 at 12:04 pm

My guess is that the applause will be a bit subdued with a faint boo here and there, but the vast majority will be be very excited about another possible SB run. I would not boo.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:11 pm

Wait until the "stockholders" meeting to boo Murphy. Use a bullhorn to posit questions--get answers.

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Coldworld's picture

June 17, 2021 at 07:27 am

Don’t vote for his executive committee nominees, that’s the way to send a message. Don’t give your proxy to Murphy.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:58 am

Over the many years I've followed the Packers, I've had many favorite players over the years, from Starr/Taylor/Adderley, et al to Favre/Reggie to Rodgers/Jordy/Davante, and many in between. But I've always been a GBPacker fan, first and foremost. I've never been a huge fan of any one player, like most it seems. While I've owned my share of Packer gear, like hoodies, sweatshirts and the like, I've never owned a jersey with a players number or name.

While initially shocked upon learning the news AR12 wanted out, and hoping it wasn't true, I've slowly come to the conclusion this circus has to end. I truly believe, at this point, it's best to move on. As many have said before me...the Packers were here before Rodgers and will here be after he's gone. You can say that about any player on the team. And that's my whole point. The team comes first, and this has the potential to really divide and hurt the team.

Trade him...yesterday if possible. It's time for the team to move forward with players who want to be here. How ironic is it that one of this year's draft picks has stated how happy he was to be drafted by GB...and his name is Rodgers!

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BradHTX's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:21 am

Myers Lemon or Lemonade:

Sadly, we lost our Meyer lemon tree in the Texas Tundra of 2021. Hopefully, Myers weathers freezing temps better.

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Tundraboy's picture

June 16, 2021 at 10:32 am

Putting the obvious aside I’m very excited about all the new draft picks and I’m hoping Slaton is a positive. DL still worries me.

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PeteK's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:52 am

Richardson signed with Vikes for ,an unaffordable for us, 3.6.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:08 am

All Things Must Pass

——-George Harrison

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dobber's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:01 pm

Well, then you need super duper WRs!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 17, 2021 at 08:55 am

I have no doubt if the Rodger's trade does take place there will be at least one super duper WR received in exchange. Love absolutely has to be thrilled by that possibility. Rodger's gone, extra talent exchanged along with future #1's and #2 draft choices.

Wow....behind his public attitude on this topic he must be excited about all the potential changes and possibilities.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:43 pm

"Isn't it a Pity".

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splitpea1's picture

June 16, 2021 at 12:26 pm

The new player on defense I'm most looking forward to seeing is Stokes; the speed is awesome, but let's see how fast he adapts to the NFL and learns to defend....

On offense, it's Deguara; not sure exactly when he'll be ready, but if we can keep him healthy for the majority of the season and give him a decent number of snaps, it'll add to the physical flavor we have up front and in the backfield.

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Coldworld's picture

June 16, 2021 at 12:43 pm

I’m really curious to see what they do with Deguara and the H Back position after a full camp. On D, I liked Stokes in the lead up as one I thought we might have a shot at drafting and he was the best CB left for what I thought we needed when we did. First and foremost though, I want to see how Barry’s defensive concept unfurls. Then see how individuals project within that.

Looking forward to a lively D back, RB and WR fight for spots and to see how the O line shakes out in particular, but the D as a whole will be fascinating.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:15 pm

I am waiting for the five tech.

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Packers0808's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:46 am

At this point no matter the Rodgers final decision if he comes back sit him and lets us see what Love has! Rodgers needs a kick in the ass and a good wakening up so he doesn't think he is the end all be all!

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Packerpasty's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:58 am

hahaha...back to 1960...cool.."kick his ass, that will show him"...funny stuff..

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Packers0808's picture

June 16, 2021 at 03:15 pm

I am 76 year old guy and yup back to whenever if it works! Didn't hurt us old timers to get the boot now and then, pansy asses today, wow!

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Lphill's picture

June 16, 2021 at 11:59 am

Vikings had cap issues and still put together a solid D line and secondary. Maybe Russ Ball is not a genius.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:17 pm

Does the guy have a degree?

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Eric Zenk's picture

June 17, 2021 at 11:03 am

The Vikings cut a lot of guys in 2020, that's how they made it, (their salary cap situation) work in 2021. The Packers will have salary cap gymnastics to jump through in 2022 again, but perhaps much less if Rodgers and his huge contract are traded to a willing partner also in 2022.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 16, 2021 at 12:25 pm

Nice article Al.

It is only pitty that comment section finished with discussing about Diva choker, instead of realy exciting young players from this year draft.

I agree mostly on everything you wrote. It will be exciting to see those young guys what they can do and how they can improve team. I know I am. I can't wait for TC and preseason games...

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Since'61's picture

June 16, 2021 at 04:34 pm

Double post, sorry.

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Since'61's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:02 pm

It's complicated! Since we have almost no information on the Rodgers saga I've decided to take the following steps until this situation reaches a conclusion.

Assuming nothing else happens first the next key date is the start of the Packers training camp. At that points things become a little more serious since fines for not showing up are mandatory and if AR does not show up the Packers and us, the fans, need to move forward without him. We'll also see which side really wants to make a serious SB run in 2021. To me the best case that Rodgers can make for himself is to show up for TC and lead this team to an SB victory. That's his best case for convincing the FO to keep him in Green Bay beyond 2021. As for the FO they need to communicate to Rodgers that they would be willing to guarantee a few more seasons in Green Bay if he in fact does continue to play at a high level.

If that doesn't happen by the first preseason game I think that we can assume that Rodgers will be sitting out 2021 barring a trade. Nothing would surprise me at this point but as of now it looks like nothing will happen between now and TC. Any further discussion appears to be pointless. So once again, moving on.
Thanks, Since '61

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Eric Zenk's picture

June 17, 2021 at 11:31 am

My two cents is Rodgers is out until 1-week prior to the regular season b/c he hates training camp & pre-season...most players do, but at this point, he believes he's entitled to the break whether the Packers forgive the fines or not. If he isn't back at that point, we'll know he is serious about sitting out the entire season to 'prove he was right and MM & Gute were fools' to not address this after the 2021 NFC Championship Game. If I was the Packers brass, I'd make him retire and go with Love and take our lumps. At least by the end of 2021, the brass and fan base would know what we have with Love. If Rodgers doesn't want to be here fine trade him to a willing team, (for a Kings ransom) along with his huge contract and be done with it so the Packers brass and coaching staff can move forward, (LAR = life after A-Rod). The Packers and fans have been around for 100+ years and will be here long after A-Rod retires. Quite frankly Rodgers has more to lose, (in my opinion) b/c Favre, Wolf and Holmgren made the word 'Title' in 'Titletown' actually mean something after 25+ years of average to bad football in Green Bay. A-Rod was drafted to keep the success going and nothing more. If Rodgers and Favre traded places, I doubt Rodgers would have been as successful as Favre when we remember how BAD some of those early Packers teams were that Favre played on and the beating he took, (now the rules on hitting QBs are much more restrictive than during Favre's era) but he (Favre) never missed a game. No player is bigger than the team or organization with the history the Packers have. I'd like Rodgers to return for this season to see if he can help the Packers win that elusive 2nd Super Bowl, but what's best for the team is what matters the most. We've all had bad bosses and we've stepped up our game while at work or found a different job eventually, but we didn't pout or complain b/c we're all professionals at what we do in our careers and we certainly didn't act like prima donnas. Pro athletes seem to believe they are God's gift to the fans and teams. Not so in my book.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 01:51 pm

epzenk, you made some great points here.

Like yourself, I'm sticking with the team, however they choose to go. I have no other choice, even though I think Love is the answer to give us our best shot at winning the whole enchilada.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 18, 2021 at 04:26 pm

"If I was the Packers brass, I'd make him retire and go with Love and take our lumps."

"I'd like Rodgers to return for this season to see if he can help the Packers win that elusive 2nd Super Bowl, but what's best for the team is what matters the most."

I don't see these two quotes as compatible. If Love ends up playing in 2021 and giving an indication that he can be a franchise QB, by all means seriously consider trading AR for several picks. But the bottom line is that the FO needs to be mature enough to do what's best for the team.

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flackcatcher's picture

June 17, 2021 at 11:29 am

'61 I'm much the same at this point. When Rodgers refuse to restructure I figured he was done in Green Bay. The only question was how both sides handled his exit. I had hoped both sides would show a little maturity in dealing with the end. I still have a faint hope that Rodgers will report and play this season, but with 'the chip' fully engaged that hope is fading. And please, will the Executive Committee tell Mark Murphy to STFU. He's done enough damage already. Training Camp can't come to soon for me...

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Since'61's picture

June 17, 2021 at 11:55 am

Can't wait for TC either. I'm also still hoping for Rodgers to show up. I think the only thing for sure is that the Exec. Committee won't tell Murphy anything unless and until there is are financial issues with the team or if Murphy were to get involved in some type of scandal that would damage the Packers image, like being in an AMP in a strip mall. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

June 18, 2021 at 08:27 am

The executive committee rely on Murphy for their appointment/retention and, as you point out are not football types but more audit/compliance people. Membership is sought after for status and perks. That’s where the current Packers structure breaks down now the President is actively involved in the football side.

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flackcatcher's picture

June 18, 2021 at 03:04 pm

That's not how it works CW. But it all depends on how engaged the Executive Committee wants to be. As '61 states, hard to see them moving against Murphy, it clearly would look like a show of weakness to degrade his authority after they stripped him of football operations and then oversite. Well, no one has come out very well in this so far.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 16, 2021 at 01:50 pm

It is very probable the GB infantry will be better this year vs 2020. That will take a lot of pressure off a young QB, even his backups. Effectively run the ball to open up passing opportunities. Especially when you have a very athletic QB rolling out on play action.

I also believe the improved run game last year was a huge factor in Rodgers' MVP season. Why do I get the feeling he believes it was all due to him?

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 08:20 pm

Zimmer is stacking the queens D to stomp LaFleur's multi-tool offense. It would be wise to get Rodgers on board and let Murphy move on.

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joejetson's picture

June 16, 2021 at 04:58 pm

GB will have to move on from Rodgers at some point. It's inevitable, so if he wants to act like a temper tantrum baby, let him rot in the tax paradise of California. He'll have to keep paying his taxes while paying back his signing bonus money. See how the Diva likes piles of $$$ going out instead of truckloads coming in. There will be a learning curve for Love, like there was for Rodgers, like there was for Favre, like ther was for Starr. So, Thanks for the memories, Aaric, we'll never forget you. All you need is Love.

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canadapacker's picture

June 16, 2021 at 06:26 pm

I hate to do this - because it does bring back old memories - retire or not retire - show up or not show up = but anyway ....
With Aaron Rodgers - I will quote Favre and AR - first BF - IT IS WHAT IT IS and then AR - R E L A X.

Nuff said because we know that Florio - Schefter, James Jones, Kruse, will keep on dragging up new stuff all time even though most of it will be conjecture and their interpretations.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 17, 2021 at 02:36 am

STEPANIAK.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 06:21 am

Al starts out his piece saying exactly what he doesn’t want to talk about anymore, and no one hears... time to move the conversation just about anywhere else.

STEPANIAK!!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 17, 2021 at 09:21 am

I guess the enthusiasm for OL Stepaniak has withered away. I loved that pick last year, even knowing he'd be a redshirt due to injury for most of 2020 (sadly, it was really all of 2020, apparently).

I am just surprised his name never pops up during these conversations. Of course, I haven't seen his name mentioned by the media either.

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greengold's picture

June 17, 2021 at 10:32 am

Same for Yosh. We don't hear one word from them on either player. I've been surprised by that too, TGR!

I'm not going to count Simon Stepaniak out. No way. That dude is a beast. Maybe his rehab isn't complete... Some of these guys take a little longer to return to playing form. Rehab for any injury is rarely a straight line.

Enter, 6-6 329 Ben Braden. Complete with 34" arms, and the built in development that comes with bouncing around the NFL for 4 years. Twice signed by both the Jets and the Packers, and a short stint with NE. The dude has some size and may have actually learned how to play the position well in the adversity of that span. Maybe that work and determination is finally going to pay off for him. What does Gutekunst say? "I don't care how you got here, but you're here now. Make the most of it?" Something like that.

There you have it!!! LOL. Funny, really, looking at how Gutekunst just scours endlessly to put the best players he can find out there on the field.

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dobber's picture

June 17, 2021 at 10:17 am

Sometimes it just takes the right coach and the right scheme. Lucas Patrick has become a starting caliber OG under this coaching staff...I've never been a Patrick fan, and I think he was the weakest link on the 2020 line.

I still have hopes for Stepaniak, but you're right: quiet as the grave on that front.

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Coldworld's picture

June 17, 2021 at 10:38 am

Let’s wait for camp. At this point they are putting lesser known ( to them) players in shorts and watching footwork and technique in new positions. They have watched these with holdovers before. We won’t know much till the pads go on.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 18, 2021 at 04:32 pm

I really liked your comment elsewhere, something like Stepaniak is a mauler while the twinkle-toes dancing bears look better in shorts. When the pads come on, those beautiful OL won't look so good if they are lying on their backs.

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Dragon5's picture

June 18, 2021 at 01:52 am

We're a little over 4 months into our enemy OX year fellow Packer fanatics. We've seen all Goats and enemy of the Ox--Packer franchise, Murphy, and LaFleur all under the gun between the NFC Championship loss and the Rodgers saga. I warned you months ago to look for troubling times this year. Curious after all that has transponded--do you believe in astrology/numerology now?

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Tundraboy's picture

June 18, 2021 at 08:44 am

I’ll keep an open mind. And hope there’s a good ending!

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