3 Key Takeaways from Day 2 of the Packers Draft

Let's take a look back at Day 2 of the NFL Draft with three key takeaways from the Packers' selections.

The Green Bay Packers entered Day 2 with three selections; however, they would only make two picks after moving up right away in Round 2 to select Christian Watson. Then at pick 92, they would add to their offensive line depth, selecting Sean Rhyan from UCLA.

On Day 3, the Packers have six total selections, but before we dive into Round 4, here are my three big takeaways from how Day 2 played out.

The Packers get their receiver

After not leaving the first round with a wide receiver, Brian Gutekunst was uber-aggressive at the beginning of Round 2. Green Bay would trade picks 53 and 59 to Minnesota in exchange for the 34th overall pick--and reportedly, this wasn't their first attempt to move up for Watson either. According to Chad Graff of The Athletic, the Packers attempted to move back into Round 1 by acquiring pick 32 from Minnesota so that they could select Watson at that time.

There are many things about Watson's game that fits the prototypical Green Bay Packers mold at the position. He has the size at 6'4" - 208 pounds, and he tested incredibly well, posting a near-perfect RAS of 9.96, which includes a 4.36-second 40-time.

Watson will be able to make an immediate impact on this Packers team as the vertical threat--a presence that has been missing with Marquez Valdes-Scantling heading to Kansas City. Watson was a big play just waiting to happen at NDSU, averaging a whopping 21.3 yards per catch during his career, according to PFF. And in addition to that big-play potential, having that downfield element will open up the entire passing game for Green Bay's other pass-catchers.

We may also see Watson utilized as the motion man and on gadget plays. He has some experience out of the backfield, and with that speed of his, finding ways of getting him the ball in space will allow Matt LaFleur to get creative with how he utilizes Watson as well. It's also important to note that Watson is a willing run-blocker, and he was an All-American return man for the Bison, averaging 26.4 yards per return on 26 career attempts.

When it comes to upside and potential, there are few -- if any -- receivers in this class who have a higher ceiling than Watson; however, it may take some time to fully unlock it as well. Over four years, he has just 145 targets in the run-heavy Bison offense, and he played less than 50% of the offensive snaps. His game will have to expand in order to become a more well-rounded receiver, and at least initially, he may not be the guy in high leverage situations.

With that said, Watson will provide some needed speed and playmaking to this offense, and he can fill a few specific -- and needed -- roles while making an immediate impact. With that combination of size and athleticism, the sky is the limit, but it will have to be unlocked first, and we know that Green Bay is comfortable giving their early-round picks a little bit of time.

The Packers give up a lot to get Watson

Pick any trade value chart out there, and in terms of draft pick value, it will tell you that the Green Bay Packers gave up quite a bit more than they received in their move up to get Watson. 

Zach Kruse of Packers Wire provided a few examples of this, starting with the Rich Hill model, in which Green Bay gave up 197 points of value and acquired just 175. The Jimmy Johnson model had the Packers sending away 680 points of value and getting back 560. You get the idea.

Ultimately, I don't really care. We saw the Green Bay Packers miss out on receivers in Round 1 because of an early run, and Gutekunst was proactive to make sure that didn't happen again--which it very well could have. At pick 43, Wan'Dale Robinson was selected, John Metchie went at 44, Tyquan Thornton went to New England at pick 50, George Pickens to Pittsburgh at 52, and Alec Pierce at 53 (where the Packers were picking) to Indianapolis. 

Also, if the Packers believe Watson can be the guy, which clearly they do by their multiple efforts to move up for him, then you go and get your guy--don't wait around with your fingers crossed. This, of course, doesn't guarantee any sort of success for Watson, but whether or not the pick pans out and the move up the trade board are two separate things. If Gutekunst feels that Watson is the answer and he is that much better than the other options, then, by all means, make it happen. 

Right now, we don't know how Watson will turn out as an NFL football player, but we do know that he fills a major positional need, and the Packers loved him. So I can get on board with this aggressive approach. Also worth mentioning, this was a trade within the division; perhaps the cost of doing business was simply higher than if Green Bay had called up New York, for example. 

Packers get much-needed OL depth

Just a season ago, we all saw how important offensive line depth can be. Due to several injuries, the Green Bay Packers utilized seven different offensive line combinations in 2021. However, as we look at the current state of the depth chart, that depth just isn't there.

Prior to the draft, David Bakhtiari and Yosh Nijman -- and maybe Cole Van Lanen -- were the only healthy options at offensive tackle. While along the interior, if we had considered Royce Newman, Josh Myers, and Jon Runyan as the starters, the only backups were Van Lanen, Michal Menet, and Jake Hanson--former Day 3 picks with little experience.

So adding to this unit is a must, and I won't be surprised whatsoever if the Packers leave with three offensive linemen selected for the third year in a row. Their first pick at the position was Sean Rhyan, an experienced tackle from UCLA.

Rhyan clocks in at 6'4" and weighs 321 pounds. He posted a RAS of 8.18 as an offensive tackle; however, that jumps to 9.35 if compared to guards--which is where he may be best suited in the NFL.

Rhyan has 2,147 career snaps at left tackle and allowed only two sacks during his three years as a starter. In 2021, he allowed one sack, 13 pressures, and was PFF's 17th highest graded run-blocker at tackle along with being ranked 23rd overall at the position.

Right away, Rhyan should compete for playing time at guard, possibly pushing Royce Newman for those starting reps at the right guard position. With that said, Gutey told reporters that they haven't yet decided whether Rhyan will play guard or tackle, but I imagine he will get a chance to play both during training camp and the preseason.

We all know how much the Packers covet versatility along the offensive line unit--and Rhyan provides that. He has starting potential at guard and can also fill in at tackle if needed. 

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Born and raised in Green Bay, WI and I still call it home. After my family, watching the Packers, sharing my opinions on the team through my writing and interacting with other fans is my greatest passion. You can find me on Twitter at @Paul_Bretl. 
 

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stockholder's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:16 am

Watson should have been taken earlier. They were Lucky to get him. I don't care what he costs. And the way that Gutey reached for the picks in the first. They did the RIGHT thing. Sure guys fell. But WR was the Target. And it just wasn't the target for the Packers. Rhyan gave the packers more versatility. Only this time they showed they can get good Value for their pick. As others Raced for the big Tackle in the first. You can't help but smile at the Rhyan pick. Those legs need to be measured.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:11 am

Gute didn't reach in the first.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:01 am

He was lucky in the draw, but it seemed calculated. If Andy Reid didn't move up, and take the CB. Belichick would have moved on the LB as Burks was one of their targets. Then Watson goes with the #22 and Wyatt is still in the mock to #28. Quay was the best of he Bulldogs LBs. The others were chase guys designed to be dime LBs. He can go inside out to Edge, another Blitzer. The Edge panic is on simmer until Rd. Four. I like Jeffery Gunter, the rest were all bagged.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:40 am

I love Gutey taking the big guys! Wyatt is going to really add a major shot in the arm for the defense. Awesome pick! Walker was an intriguing pick and Barry has big plans for him in the defense. The defense will be measurably stronger. See him helping out on ST's early. Wonder if Barry would ever use Walker in an Edge rusher role? Rhyan appears to be a great addition. Love his size and kick @ss mentality who should push for playing time. It sure sounds like he will be a big asset in the Packer running game. Packers needed another quality OL and still need another. Christian Watson will be an interesting player to watch develop with the draft capital needed to get him. Love his work ethic and seems like a great individual who I hope Rodgers takes under his wing to hasten his development. Christian's long strides are beautiful to watch in the open field and should be a great addition to ST's.

Packers still need WR, TE, Edge, OT, Safety in Day 3. Excited to see what the ever surprising Gutey does today. Would love to see a WR like Kahlil, Philips, or Austin added in 4th along with another OL.

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stockholder's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:47 am

Kingsley Enagbare (4.8 ), Amare Barno (4.4) are still available. If Barno gets off blocks he's a steal.

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:28 am

I'm shocked Kingsley Enagbare is still there. IF the Packers could get him with one of the 4th round picks you have to consider that a steal.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:05 am

OT,WR, CB or RB are the needed depth in Rd Four. Now, they might as well get a veteran to fill the #3 Edge spot.

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Archie777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:17 am

Wyatt reminds me of Grady Jackson, only much more mobile.

Quay Walker has a shot to be better than the Clay-maker.

Watson is a poor man's James Lofton. And yes, we paid too much to move up to get him. We must assume two things: 1) Gutey decided he couldn't live w/o him; and, 2) that he was going to get picked very high in R2. MN took advantage of the situation and squeezed some extra payment out of Gutey.

Bottom-line, Gutey ended up with 4 guys he very much liked and wanted.

Whether Watson was worth paying up for will be determined by the WR that he becomes. If he is only WR3/WR4 starter quality the answer is no. WR2 at a minimum before I feel this was a worthwhile trade for us. It cost us a shot at a good TE or Edge or WR or S. This was a very strong S class that we failed to get any part of.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 02:56 pm

I like the Wyatt-Grady Jackson comparison—if it’s correct, we’re in great shape.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:34 am

Reports out there that the Packers went to the Vikes with the same offer for pick 32, but the Vikes said no...then got the same offer for pick 34 and didn't give the Packers a 5th year option on the pick.

Whatever the case, there's a lot of pressure on Watson to be a productive pro WR and do it quickly. He doesn't need to be WR1, but he's going to need to be a credible threat. Have a hunch another veteran pass-catcher lands in GB yet before September. A couple decent developmental WRs on the board: Romeo Doubs, Shakir, Kevin Austin...and the TE and RB boards are almost untouched. There's value to be had there, yet. I'm betting they'll get another WR and a TE in rounds 4 and 5.

Rhyan sure sounds like a G, but he's played a lot of ball on the outside. He's a Packers kind of OL, and have heard early comps to Josh Sitton. I'd certainly take that.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:42 am

Based on Rhyan's description he does sound like a Josh Sitton clone, which would bode well forthe Pack. If I recall correctly Josh was a 4th rounder.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:10 am

My bafflement with Watson isn’t potential. He has the potential to be the best receiver in this draft by some way. Eventually.

His selling point is he’s a freak athlete. That’s it. He’s not run more than the most basic route tree. He’s known to have a tendency to body catch and drops which have improved but are still significant. There is technical work to be done. He was physically out of the league of the opposition he played. He ticks all the physical boxes but none of the technical ones.

A massive amount of upside but almost none of that currently realized. The last WR we had with that profile was Jeff Janis, though I think Watson is more versatile physically. Janis never mastered the route running or hands catching supposedly. Rodgers would barely throw to him. The last player at another position was Nijman. Nijman took 3 years before he got playing time due to injury. Nijman was a UDFA despite off the charts metrics and Janis a 7th. Where most had Watson till the combine.

Watson is all potential. Those picks go to day 3. Ok, so there is a lot of it. Was this the year for a massive boom bust pick? If so, what’s Rodgers being paid for? Add to that the extraordinary cost expended to a rival and a highly speculative pick at the cost of an additional second round pick and overpaying a division rival to overdraft a player in the first place and while other quality picks (WR and others) remained available at the original point that could have helped fill two needs.

I can’t get behind making that move, price or pick, particularly having kept Rodgers. If it was Love, maybe. Still a reach but a Gary like move to get a player who could be truly elite in future. I find the idea that Rodgers likes this move highly questionable. Watson is the antithesis of the type Rodgers had liked his entire career and his nearest parallel was arguably forced out of thGB by Rodgers refusing to use him.

All that said, he’s here, it’s done and, as I was saying in January, Watson may become a true star and should really help our STs immediately as a gunner and maybe returner, though I’d want to see him do so against NFL level talent before anointing. He’s a good kid, he’s had some knee issues that we obviously decided weren’t a risk, but otherwise has been healthy. He’s got a hell of a lot to learn this summer. Hopefully they break some of that down to give him a chance to master at least part of a route tree, not bombard him with the whole thing as they did Rodgers.

He’s here, he’s going to be fun to watch to see what he does become. Now go find a catcher who’s ready to be more of a traditional contributor. There are still some prospects able to run varied routes out there, though with questions as one might imagine at this point.

I’m not going to hate on Watson like some do on Love. He didn’t draft himself. I’m also not going to appease the underwear addicts who can’t see the risks, cost or timing questions, but he’s a Packer and an exciting one. We can add one equally as titivating in the 6th or 7th probably. Dareke Young. That’s a good place to gamble, especially when that freak athlete has excelled in all phases of STs.

Here’s to perhaps my favorite day of any draft, the least important perhaps, but maybe not this year. There is a lot of talent left. More so than I recall entering day 3.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:49 am

Totally agree with you Coldworld. Let's also remember the potential is totally unrealized on a raw player at age 24.....this is not a 21, 22 year old. Yes, Watson is the antithesis of Rodgers, think of Jeff Janis. I will never hate on Watson either, I do not like the attacks people make on Love. I hope I am wrong about him, but trading first round draft value for a 24 year old project makes little sense to me as well.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:54 am

Not least important, but quite possibly MOST! >70% of the players in the NFL today come from Day 3.

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Guam's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:05 am

CW, you are fixated on all in this year (while we have Rodgers) and I don't believe Gute is. I agree that Watson is a project a la Rashan Gary and Walker may be a bit of a project since he only started at Georgia for one year. However Gute seems to focus more on the longer term than the immediate future. He may be building this team as much for Jordan Love as Aaron Rodgers and I am okay with that.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:13 am

Agree, Guam, that it’s a possibility. I seem to think it goes the other way, and that they got AR’s input on Watson’s selection. Maybe Rhyan’s too. Which, after all, I find no argument with if it helps both in the now, and the future.

This whole Aaron Rodgers thing needs to be put to bed. We’ve bashed it around enough. No one knows what the future holds, yet, we can all hope for the best.

Here we are, with a great start to the draft. Let’s hope we can crush this Day 3 too!

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Guam's picture

April 30, 2022 at 03:33 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if AR wanted Watson. MLF's offense needs a field stretcher and the Packers needed an MVS replacement. I think Watson can provide that deep threat next year, but I also think it will be a couple of years before Watson can reach his full potential. Jumping from the FCS to the NFL is no small challenge.

I think Watkins, Cobb and Lazard are going to be AR's predominant targets next year although another veteran WR come camp time wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I like this draft a lot so far and believe Gute has done a great job with Day 1 and Day 2 picks.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:55 am

I don’t believe Gute is. Which just highlights the why of what we did. That’s why I reference the contribution now aspect explicitly.

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Guam's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:07 am

Double post - sorry.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 12:19 pm

CW
Great commentary with precise comments certainly not worthy of down votes. In agreement!

Where is our #3 backup Edge?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:45 am

Part of this is a GB-centric analysis. MN did not want to give GB the 5th year option on Watson. Jeez, maybe they wanted the 5th year option for the player they selected, Lewis Cine? I love Cine. I sure would have wanted the 5th year option on a guy I think is going to be great in the NFL.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:58 am

Great point. I wanted Cine too, but I’m thinking if we pound EDGE and add another quality DL, we could put my Mom out there as a 3rd S and we’d be just fine. She’s 82, but had both knees replaced, and talks way faster than 4.30…

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:30 am

I wanted Cine, but you can’t get everyone and I wanted Wyatt as well (I just thought we wouldn’t go there perhaps as he fell). I see Quay as a reach based upon Prototypical fit with what we wanted. Sometimes that makes sense. As Dobber said, swap Wyatt and Quay around and it looks pretty darn good as well.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 12:20 pm

Now good thing I already drank my coffee GG!

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:57 am

Just quoting a tweet.

Messenger = on life support... ;)

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jh9's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:50 am

I can’t help but think Gutey had a plan going into the draft. He knew he needed a WR and also knew that any WR coming out of college needs a year or two to develop. However, with Aaron Rodgers, he knows the Packers need a true X-receiver now to realistically compete for another Lombardi Trophy. It is my belief Gutey already has that X-receiver in mind - Julio Jones.

Last season with the Titans, Jones had only 46 targets with 31 receptions for 434 yards and 1 TD. He is the perfect candidate for another “prove it” deal. He has never won a Super Bowl, and the prospect of catching passes from Rodgers must appeal to him. I expect he wants more guaranteed money than Sammy Watkins, maybe in the $3M range with incentives, but doable. And, once the draft is over, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Packers sign him.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:18 am

Great, great take, jh9. I was thinking the same yesterday, that they’re gonna pull another established veteran WR in post draft. It actually makes the most sense.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 12:22 pm

JH9,
Likely correct way draft going! However, where is our #3 Edge with Z now gone? Wonder the plan?

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:42 am

I believe your Rhyan- Sitton comparison is excellent.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:58 am

Can't take credit for it...read it somewhere else and it seemed more than apt.

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Ken Allen's picture

May 01, 2022 at 10:11 am

Over the years we have seen and heard this same thing HOW many times? LOL I remember when a certain GM drafted 2 OTs in 2000 that everyone said wouldn't be worth the picks. And them after a little while and some playing time, other GMs were asking, "Who ARE those two guys and where did they come from?" Tauscher and Clifton weren't projected by many prior to the draft as being anything more than decent backup quality! har har har Just like Bakhtiari was too small, had small hands and was gong to get pushed around by DLs? ;-)

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Ken Allen's picture

May 01, 2022 at 10:11 am

Over the years we have seen and heard this same thing HOW many times? LOL I remember when a certain GM drafted 2 OTs in 2000 that everyone said wouldn't be worth the picks. And them after a little while and some playing time, other GMs were asking, "Who ARE those two guys and where did they come from?" Tauscher and Clifton weren't projected by many prior to the draft as being anything more than decent backup quality! har har har Just like Bakhtiari was too small, had small hands and was gong to get pushed around by DLs? ;-)

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:41 am

Interesting how the draft industrial complex thought the Packers were bascially ridiculous in their picks and all of a sudden the drafting of Christian Watson is brilliant. I am not a huge fan of the pick for a few reasons.

1) The Vikings fleeced us. We gave away 2 2nds.....We essentitally gave away the quivalent of a late first to get Watson. The Vikings by pure draft point value won the trade by 100 points. They could have signed MVS for a $5 Million cap hit and had a more polished player. I agree with Mosqueda here

2) Watson is a great athlete yet extremely raw. He played against FCS corners and basically won with size and athleticism..This will not cut it in the NFL...I expect a steep learning curve, I don't see him contributing much unless Player GM forces him to be on the field. This level of competition is going to be a rude awakening for this kid.

3) The majority of the hype on this kid is from Ross Uglem. He covers North Dakota St. And his evaluations on NDSU players are rarely based in reality. It is pure homerdom......He had a high grade on Easton Stick whom will never start in the NFL. Remember Darrius Shepperd?? Uglem believed Shepperd should slide in seamlessly into the slot position and was more deserving of a roster spot than Allen Lazard........yeah Gute got lucky there.. Darrius Shepperd is NOT an NFL football player...Uglem also laughed at my mock of the Packers taking Gary in the first...."He can't play edge" Uglem has Watson with a first round grade. He is the only one......This just pure fandom. He is wrong a lot....

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:55 am

Bure, I ain't the smartest, but damn good-looking to make up some ground with the ladies.

It wasn't the Pack giving up two 2's for Watson. They moved UP 19 spots and in return gave a single 2 for that opportunity. That is how I see it, if I am wrong...please explain your logic.

If it was up to me, I would draft Defense only! Hence, I am not employed by the GBP organization. I am an owner which allows me the right to......well...(scratching my head)...can I get back to you Bure?....:D

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:02 am

Yes they move up 19 spots. Giving each pick a "point" value and lany GMs do to evalute draft pick trade value....the 2 picks the Packers gave to the Vikings are valued at 300 points and 310 points respectively....610 points. This is the equvialent of the 24th overall pick...pick34 is valued at 510, so therefore by point total, the Vikings didnt just win the reade by point value they actually bent us over and had their way......This really only makes sense you have a first round grade on Watson. Most scout do not...

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:12 am

I truly do appreciate you taking the time to explain why you came to your conclusion...again, thanks.

I view it with a gut feeling which is far less scientific than your thoughts/methodology. I see it almost like getting back in the 1st Rd with 2 picks almost in the beginning of Rd 3.

Like I said, thank God I am good-looking! Once THAT goes...I got nuthin'. In the meantime, gonna buy more mirrors at Home Depot today. I never met a mirror I didn't like. Have a good one Bure and let's see how today unfolds with the GBPs.💪🙏👌

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:15 am

A Pierce/ Skyy combo is an equivalent in Watson. Watkins fit their Pierce profile, check. Watson is the speed guy a bit faster than Skyy, but has 38.5 Elevation. They could have squatted and made those choices. Why? Watson is dynamic in Two Phases of Football and could probably play Safety in a pinch. Belichick, again, blew his chances to secure a playmaker and went for Thornton to recover some Face after being confronted and Heckled 24/7, by his Loyal Fan Base.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:04 am

Yes they move up 19 spots. Giving each pick a "point" value and llmany GMs do to evalute draft pick trade value....the 2 picks the Packers gave to the Vikings are valued at 300 points and 310 points respectively....610 points. This is the equvialent of the 24th overall pick...pick 34 is valued at 510, so therefore by point total, the Vikings didn't just win the trade by point value they actually bent us over and had their way......This really only makes sense you have a first round grade on Watson. Most scouts do not...I honesty think QB/GM is medalling now....

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:30 am

Except it's clear the Packers DID have a first-round grade on Watson; in fact, I feel almost positive that they planned on taking him at 28 before Wyatt dropped.
28 for 53 + 59 is as close to equal/fair as it gets on the value charts.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:55 am

One assumes Gute didn't move up to 34 if he felt Watson could be selected at 45, although there are those who deny that reaching is possible since no one truly knows where all the teams have ranked a specific player.

No question Bure is correct that the Packers paid quite a bit more to move up than any chart suggests. On the Rich Hill chart, the overpayment is the equivalent of pick 127 (that is just basic math), suggesting GB should have gotten a 4th back but it is MN-GB trade, so perhaps a 5th or a 6th. Those charts are just guidelines, but every trade has been measured on such charts for quite a while now. Most trades roughly follow the guidelines except for QBs.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:26 am

Rich Hill value chart:
Pick 28 = 209 pts
pick 53 = 106
pick 59 = 91
106 + 91 = 197

BG was ready to take Watson at 28, so he was a "209 point value" to BG.
He got him for 197 points.

That's my take.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:42 am

BG's Value Chart may have zero correlation to another individual's static assessments that may have been relevant ten years ago, or back in Jimmy Time, 1993. A 12 point click, in any case, is irrelevant. It is not tire-kicking day at the County Fairgrounds. I'm surprised he didn't bag him with the #22.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:12 pm

Yes. 2 picks out and 1 pick in is a net loss of 1.
That is the true cost of the trade. And the 2 mediocre picks for 1 potential star is quite valuable, no matter what Rich Hill or Jimmy Johnson value them at.
53 and 59 are likely to be career back ups and ST players. Not pick 34.

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stockholder's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:51 am

I have disagreed with Ross in the past. And agreed with him. I agree with him on Watson. An So did KIPER. If he gains a 1000 yds. Don't wait to extend him.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:10 am

1000 yards as a rookie???? So he is On the Chase/Jefferson path? Sorry I don't see it.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:40 am

The hype train is well and truly fired up and running ever faster out of the station and the draft isn’t over. Watson is carrying a lot of fan expectations for this season already. Give the guy a chance.

Small school, basic O, minimal route tree, some technique learning to do. Big hill to climb for anyone. Some here write as if he’s an alum of the national champions running a pro offense against the best teams in college football.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:37 am

I’d be just fine if his stat line is 40-700-5 in his first year. That would be great contributions in the beginning. His most value is long-term, he has work to do to become a 1,000+ WR in the NFL. It’s not like we drafted him in the top 10.

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PeteK's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:11 am

That would be great, but not likely. Jennings was the only receiver to reach those figures in their rookie year. However, the good news is that MVS came close at 38-581-2. He is multi dimensional, rushed for 400 yds for an 8 avg and returned kicks.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:07 am

How about James Jones? A much later second round receiver. He had close to 700 yards and two scores as a rookie. Decent YPC, too. And that was on a team with Greg Jennings and Donald driver as the starters. There’s every chance that Watson can contribute and on ST as well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

He can run the same routes as Jefferson and is faster. Some Fans Forget the Groundhog Day scenarios that consume the Playoff Game(s). No MVS (hamstring), your All-Pro is Dbl teamed. Need another legitimate WR threat with speed. Equan. was a guy that should have been cut rookie year and no one would have noticed. I would snag two more wide receivers or guys like Kolar, Otten,or Krull. Pick up a six pick with a 2023 comp. They still need an OT , WR , TE, RB, CB and the kid Tariq Carpenter as a sp teams guy/dime Lb. Tycen Anderson at Safety. Get fast guys who hit for the kicking teams.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:05 am

Bure…..I don’t know why you get down voted so much for questioning the Watson pick. Maybe, because you think the Vikings fleeced us, which I cannot agree with. Value of that trade will be determined years down the road. Most successfully GM’s, including our own Wolf would say you go get’em if you think he will be great for your team.

I also have some doubts about Watson, but I suspect they, the Packers know quite a bit more than us so I’m fine with it. I’m also quite comfortable that Arod signed off on the pick and trade which would tell you what he thinks of Watson.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:56 am

When you trade up with a divisional rival, you're going to overpay, period.

I look at it totally differently. We traded Davante Adams for a first and a second. With those picks we got Walker and Watson.

Walker is a wicked pick in my opinion. (Barry can use him as a Micah Parsons type role player.)

Watson - I admit some love him and some don't. I remember when we drafted Davante, I was pretty pissed because he ran so slow at the combine. I was even more pissed when he kept dropping everything early in his career. We all know the type of WR Davante became for us. (He returned a 1st and 2nd rounder for us.)

Those who are upset with Gutey might want to step back and remember PFN draft simulations are not the real value of these players.

IDK how Watson will turn out, but if he reaches his ceiling, he'll be one of the best WR to come through GB in the modern era.

It's so funny to me that those clamoring for a WR in the first round hold it against Gutey for trading up to the top of the 2nd round to get his guy. I never thought that a fanbase who was about to riot for a WR would be disappointed with a 6' 5" 208lbs WR who ran a 4.36 40 in the 2nd round.

I'm with you murf - If Gutey, MaLF, and AR are alright with it, so am I.

(Besides, his Dad was a Packer. like Vin would say, "He's family!" : )

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:47 am

I imagine Gutey was making calls to try to get another last first with the two 2nds. Their value = TB 27th first rounder.

But what is not included in these trade value charts is that 5th year option with first round rookie contracts. That's valuable. (See Alexander and Gary)

It would not surprise me if the Packers called all four teams (Bucs, Chiefs, Vikings, Bengals) about their late first rounders to try to get another late first rounder.and found no takers...due to that 5th year contract. Expect Gutey also called the Bucs again for their #33. Finally got the Vikings to do the deal at #34 and they finally got their WR prospect.

The only right price is where they seller and buyer agree.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:01 am

"We traded Davante Adams for a first and a second. With those picks we got Walker and Watson" Wow, that's the best take yet on this, BDU! Especially when you consider how long we had the value of Adams BEFORE the trade.

We had 28 and 59. We traded an aging (but great) vet.
We added a 22 and a 53.
The 22 became Quay Walker. The 53 super-charged our 59 into a 34.
So literally, we traded Davante Adams for Quay Walker, plus a much better second round pick, where BG was able to get a first-round talent.

Or maybe an even happier take: we traded Davante Adams for Christian Watson plus an upgraded first round pick to get Quay Walker.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:52 am

Pauline had Watson at #35. The other guys had him moving to the bottom of round one, so the #28. Pack-Eyed Optimist clarified the equation. We GAINED Value.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:09 am

I appreciate that. I am not trying to be this negative at all costs idiot. In fact, I actually defend this front office more often than not. I loved bith picks in the first. This could make us a top 5 defense.

This pick just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, Watson has off the charts RAS, in fact freakish. Call me a power 5 snob, but there just simply is an entirely different type of athlete at the FCS level as oppose to the power 5. For instance, we have actual film of Pickens going head to head with future NFL corners, Stingly from LSU being one of them....Watson faced nothing like this...I see a freak 24 year old athlete whom is not a great route runner yet and won with his athleticsm....he is raw

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:55 am

He worked them over at the Senior Bowl. He was tutored by his Father who had Played DB in the NFL. He is a better Person than Pickens. Pierce would be competing with Watkins for touches. Watson is the guy.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:26 am

He looked great in practices but was outshone by Velus Jones as a WR in the game. Ferguson too, if you include TEs.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 30, 2022 at 12:33 pm

Bure, I get what you are saying and I think most of us do. We will see how it plays out and I sincerely hope Gutey hit a major home run. Of course Rodgers could significantly help big time making Gutey look great with the Watkins selection. Work with him, trust him, and actually throw to him.

The real issue to me with the trade up is we lost a real opportunity to pick a much needed Edge, or TE at 59 who actually bring true value vs a warm body later in the draft. We need that home run with Watson! Was there no other WR who would similarly help the Pack where we could have also selected that talented Edge, or WR?

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:11 am

I appreciate that. I am not trying to be this negative at all costs idiot. In fact, I actually defend this front office more often than not. I loved both picks in the first. This could make us a top 5 defense.

This pick just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, Watson has off the charts RAS, in fact freakish. Call me a power 5 snob, but there just simply is an entirely different type of athlete at the FCS level as oppose to the power 5. For instance, we have actual film of Pickens going head to head with future NFL corners, Stingly from LSU being one of them....Watson faced nothing like this...I see a freak 24 year old athlete whom is not a great route runner yet and won with his athleticsm....he is raw

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:14 am

Sorry not sure why it is double posting

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:53 am

Right-on Murf. Wolf said if you’re enamored with a player, go get’em. We went an got him —bam!!

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croatpackfan's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:08 am

It is not the question where you were playing, it is the question of talent and capabilities (mental & physical) do you belongs to higher level of competition. If you dominate lesser competition easily, than you might have no problem playing at higher level.

Some positions are harder for players to jump over the difference, like defensive players, while on offense it is easier for young guys to elevate themselves (I would like to exclude OL from this claim, as they play "defensivelly" at pass protection - that is why is easier for young OL to play run than pass).

But what I know...

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:52 am

"We essentially gave away the equivalent of a late first to get Watson. The Vikings by pure draft point value won the trade by 100 points. They could have signed MVS for a $5 Million cap hit and had a more polished player. I agree with Mosqueda here.

The first thing I thought was the same, that's A LOT to give up for the 34th pick.
BUT then I thought about 2020 and losing out on Jefferson and Ayuck. THAT was not happening again. Gute went up and got his man. Screw the 110 points.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:06 am

Those who will remonstrate over 100 points can carry-on for eternity.

I'm going to revel in the fact we now have a WR prospect who can definitely become a difference maker in our offense. (I thought that's what we wanted?)

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:21 am

Well that's what I wanted I'm happy as hell with this draft so far and the Watson pick is perfect.

Now, if we could get Isaiah Likely, TE, from Coastal Carolina, we'd have a pretty damn good TE prospect who can both catch and block, and is athletic as hell.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:33 am

Same as those whom hit the roof over the Packers trading a 4th to move up and select Love. (Which is significantly less value than a second round pick)

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:55 am

That’s how I see it NickPerry.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:14 pm

According to some dumb made up equivalency charts.
The reality is that 53 and 59 MIGHT become slightly below average back ups who play a lot of STs.
34 will be a starter and maybe a star.
Big difference.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:08 pm

Actually we fleeced the Vikes.
Why didn't they take the offer for the 32?
Did they truly believe that their guy would be gone at 33 and they'd get a bad value then at 34? And why wouldn't they have 3-4 guys considered good values in that range and draft 2 of them?

It makes no sense for the Vikes. They lose a starter or potential star at 34, and they get back 53 and 59, which project to be career back ups and ST players at best.

Sure, they get 2 players. Two slightly below average players.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 03:08 pm

Very Happy Spielman has left their building. He would never make the deal.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:40 am

I’m happy…..they build the trenches, added an additional D player and got their WR they wanted. Sure, there were players I wanted them to get, but they know more than me. I do love them getting big athletic guys thou. This Defense has a lot of speed and athleticism. If just one of the two first rounders make BIG contributions our D is going to be top 5, barring any major injuries.

Now, with 6 picks remaining, get an Edge and safety in the 4th, fix the ST’s and get a couple more pass catchers, whether that be RB, WR or TE.

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:10 am

Isaiah Likely, TE, Coastal Carolina....YES PLEASE!

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:33 am

NP….he’s the best pass catcher left, I’d go with that!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:17 am

No. He can't block in-line. I don't want Isaiah Likely, H-back, Flooded out, Carolina.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:21 am

Agreed. They need a guy who primarily plays with his hand on the ground. Lewis is done after 2022. They need a guy who can step in and relieve him in 2022 and take over in 2023.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:41 am

I don't know more than a tree stump when it comes to evaluating potential NFL talent but I really like the proactiveness on the Gutes part as well as being patient. Man, I got a good feeling about what is happening at 1265 Lombardi Ave!

It's like Gute knew the QBs weren't going to fall to help drive down the remaining WRs, so he hit it hard like a phat kid going for the last chocolate-covered long John.

Then, how can you not like a violin playing, rugby liking OL dude. Something tells me he and #12 just might hit it off....

And, it ain't done yet...hell no....go Gute go!

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:07 am

Hear, hear...

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:47 am

Based on the run on WRs again in the second round, Watson would have started the stampede. I expect the consensus in the draft room was Watson was the best WR prospect on remaining on their board so Gutey did what Gutey does. He got his player...arguably the prospect with the highest ceiling in the draft. That he is also an All American returner raises his floor too.

4 prospects, 4 potential day one contributors. I did not study Rhyan all that much pre-draft...but just 2 sacks allowed as a 3 year starter? That is incredible.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:10 am

Well said LP...

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:24 am

He’s very much a prototypical Packers OL pick in terms of attitude, production and versatility. I like that add late in the third.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:03 am

Rhyan should start at RT.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:24 am

I think he, Nijman, and Newman will be in a 3-man race for the two starting spots on the right side (with Nijman not a G candidate, of course).

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:54 am

People underestimate Nijman because he was a UDFA. Nijman is as incredible an athlete as Watson is and clearly the best in our OL room. The question. With him was could he be taught technique not just to physically overpower as he did in college. The answer from Last year seems to be yes. Don’t overlook him as I think is common among many who don’t know his story and route.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:51 am

I do not know how drafted players will pan out, but if they made proper evaluation on the picks (and we have no reason to doubt that), taking player Packers see as top players on their board (at different rounds, of corse) looks logical to move up to get it.

I know that many will argue how larger number of opportunities (more players) should produce more quality at the end, but sometimes you need to trust yourself and pay higher price to get what you assess as top opportunity.

We will not be able to evaluate this draft class at least 2 seasons, if not 3, so only thing we can do is to accept what was happened and hope the best.

If Packers finish with 2 to 3 all-pro players and few "over the average" players, we can say this would be successful draft.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 07:54 am

Regarding spending too much capital on trading up. I’m not worried about that. If the Packers feel they got who they wanted, you go get’em. I love that about Gutey, he’s not afraid to make tough decisions. That’s a trait all great leaders have.

We need year 1 contributors out of this draft. Not a bunch of rookies who don’t make contributions. Quite frankly, most of the trades in the first round costed more to move up than the so called expert point system.

I’m all in…..

GO PACK GO!!

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:00 am

Gute is like a chameleon wearing shades that just slurped down some bugs with a high protein ratio.

slurp Gute slurp!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:25 am

The knock on Walker: needs reps, isn't polished, instincts/IQ.
The knock on Watson is he needs development.

Neither of these guys are plug and play, though both will no doubt get plugged in and have to play regardless of their readiness. Since they are first round and high 2nd round guys, they have the talent to muddle through.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:18 am

Packers have control over how they use Watson. They can set him up to be successful, or at least put him in a position to maximize his strengths early on. Walker is someone who other teams will test when he's on the field until he proves it's a losing proposition--they can put him out there on run downs and as an inside pass-rusher, but his responsibilities can be manipulated by an offense.

A lot of growth has to happen, but each player is in a position where they don't have to carry the show and the Packers will hopefully set them up well.

A lot of comparisons between Janis and Watson, but they're only similar in that they tested extremely well. Janis was an undisciplined player who had to be taught how to be a WR--he was so far above his competition at SVSU athletically that he didn't need any kind of refinement to be a star. He came into the league as a blank slate, but everyone thought he should be a star WR from the start based on his testing. He had about two things he could do: shallow crossers and running long. Neither required him to be much of a football player and the clock ran out to the point that not even his ST work could keep him in the league.

I see more refinement in Watson's game (keeping in mind that he's got a long way to go) at this stage, but that wouldn't be hard. There are already things he can do to help this offens--some of that is the little things that many WR need to be schooled in, like blocking--and indications that he'll grow, but there will be a tremendous amount of pressure from fans for him to bust it loose early. He's a project...and he might not ever be much more than MVS was, but patience will be the order of the day. I just don't know how likely people will be to give him that time.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:27 am

Great piece, Paul. Yes, the cost was high, with MIN sitting in the catbird seat, asking Gutekunst, “Well, how bad do you want him?” The Packers decided they wanted him that badly, paying more than pick value within the division to take Watson. That tells you how much they like him.

As for Rhyan, I believe he starts at RT for GB game 1. Insanely great talent to land at 93.

Changes our draft strategies. Sadly, we lost EDGE Alex Wright in this mix as well.

Here’s some options with players available I tossed together, and I will add a couple more scenarios I’m working on after I finish them out. Nice to know some players we might like in these spots:

1.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 CB Zyon McCollum
140 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
171 EDGE Michael Clemons
228 TE Chig Okonkwo
249 NT Noah Elliss
258 OG Jason Poe

2.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 WR Khalil Shakur
140 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
171 TE Charlie Kolar
228 RB Pierre Strong
249 CB Mario Goodrich
258 OT Cordell Volson

3.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
140 RB Zamir White
171 WR Deven Thompkins
228 OT Bam Olaseni
249 CB Mario Goodrich
258 EDGE Ali Fayad

4.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
140 EDGE Michael Clemons
171 TE Charlie Kolar
228 RB Pierre Strong
249 OT Bam Olaseni
258 OT Cordell Volson

5.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 DT Neil Ferrell Jr.
140 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
171 OT Dare Rosenthal
228 RB Pierre Strong
249 CB Mario Goodrich
258 WR Deven Thompkins

6.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
140 CB Joshua Williams
171 WR Bo Melton
228 RB Pierre Strong
249 OT Bam Olaseni
258 WR Britain Covey

7.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 OT Braxton Jones
140 WR Bo Melton
171 EDGE Michael Clemons
228 TE Chig Okonkwo
249 S Markquese Bell
258 EDGE Ali Fayad

8.
22 LB Quay Walker
28 DT Devonte Wyatt
35 WR Christian Watson
93 OT Sean Rhyan
132 DT Neil Ferrell Jr.
140 WR Erik Ezukanma
171 DT Eyioma Uwazurike
228 TE Chig Okonkwo
249 OG Jason Poe
258 EDGE Ali Fayad

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:22 am

I would love to get Pierre Strong.

5' 11" 207lbs 4.37 40.

I would immediately start preparing him for a "Deebo" role in our offense. By that, I mean design a package of plays to stress the defense, separate from our normal offense. I don't mean for him to replace Aaron Jones when he comes in the game. He could fulfill the Irvin type role day one.

We would add much needed speed to our team and he could contribute on STs as well as back up Aaron Jones if needed.

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:46 am

Yeah yeah yeah, Big Bird!

I might like options 5-8 the best.

I like them all, but wanted to keep piling on at OL, adding QUALITY DT/EDGE, and diversify WR a bit more. Adding CB and TE also a challenge on top of that, best guessing where these players may be attainable.

My first thought after adding Wyatt was “DO IT AGAIN!” Thinking, would take this defense truly to elite status adding the Top NT for run stop in the draft in Neil. Great player, allowing Clark & Wyatt to work 3-Tech, while Ferrell Jr. & Slaton rotate NT.

Eyioma Uwazurike plays literally EVERYWHERE on the DL, and might be worth snagging early. Great EDGE who also plays great inside, much like Z did. I’d snap both Uwazurike and Ferrell Jr. 132/140 and watch our Packers D rise to ELITE. Happily.

Bo Melton is the most misunderstood & under appreciated WR in his class. He’s seriously got #1WR chops.

Ezukanma, Covey, Chig we’re made for LaFleur’s JET concepts. I like your take BirdDogUni on Strong there too!

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:13 am

Strong would be an excellent late pick up as a hedge on Hill. Very fast if a tad light (207) as a RB. He would give us a potential big play breaker out if the backfield to develop this year. He’s also used to blocking.

My biggest question is over his catching ability, since he was seldom targeted. Dillon wasn’t either, and he has good hands, so that’s not definitive, but it is a question that’s central to any Deebo like role. He could be useful on STs, though not a returner.

Personally I’m still after Dareke Young. 6’2, 224, WR who ran a lot too. On all ST units and a blocker in run or pass modes.
He had a 79 ⅝” wingspan (⅞” longer than Christian Watson), 10 ⅛” hands (same as Watson), 4.45-second 40-time, 2.53 20-yard split and 1.54 10-yard split. 6.84-second 3-Cone, 37” vertical, 135” broad jump (one inch behind Watson’s) and 22 reps at 225 lbs.

Get both late, add to Watson and one heck of an ST corps could result.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:58 am

I like #2–excellent.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:28 am

Love that you have Uwazurike in there over and over. I think he's a great find at that stage if they can get him there.

There's a lot of value out there in these next couple rounds. Packers should be able to find guys who elevate the floor of the roster.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:43 am

This year is exceptional in the size of the quality pool.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:17 am

The trade value is incorrect, since BG had Watson rated as a first-round pick (and I believe would have taken him at 28 if Wyatt wasn't still there) 53 + 59 comes out close to equal to 28 on the value charts.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:26 am

Love your thinking Pack….great way to rationalize their thinking! In the end, they got both.

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Bure9620's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:40 am

Well, according to our QB on McAfee (if you believe him) Gute had 6 WRs with a first round grade. So, this would mean Watson did not have a first round grade, we will never know.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:41 am

1. Wilson
2. Williams
3. Olave
4. London
5. Burks
6. Watson
7. Dotson

Dotson: went 16th, so somebody had a first round grade on him. Not me. He is 5'11" with just 30.75 inch long arms. 178 pounds. So is he lightening? Fast, but at 4.43 not electric. Does he have COD: 7.28 three cone makes him not a player interesting to the Packers. So, he is slight and lacks COD. I would guess that GB did not have a first round grade on Dotson.

I don't think anyone had first round grades on the other WRs, like Pickens, Moore, and Pierce. But we will never really know. I had a 2nd round grade on London (the next Alshon Jeffrey as a ceiling) and Burks (going to eat his weigh out of the league and lacks work ethic to boot).

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:21 am

Relative to today's picks, here's something I played with.
3-Cone times of Packers picks so far:
Quay Walker 6.89 elite
Devonte Wyatt 7.45 elite
Christian Watson 6.96 elite
Sean Rhyan 7.55 elite

Some Elite 3-cones who are still on the board:
Zach Tom 7.32 elite
Alec Lindstrom 7.50 elite
Charlie Kolar 6.98 elite
Austin Allen 7.00 elite
Jake Ferguson 7.03 elite
Zyon McCollom 6.48 elite

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greengold's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:55 am

PEO, this is great to know! Thanks, Bubs! I’ll include it into my Day 3 possibilities mix above. Glad you reminded me Zach Tom still available.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:29 am

Thanks GG, I thought it was interesting!
Quite a few more elite 3-cones are out here, I'm sure, but these were the only ones I found. Lots of guys didn't do the 3-cone at their pro-days or the combine.

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PeteK's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:26 am

At the least Walker will be a beast in ST.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:45 am

I keep forgetting the jake Ferguson kid. I know why: I am almost, IDK, offended that a Wisconsin kid and son and grandson of college football coaches only did 13 reps on the bench. Something off there with that prospect.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:30 am

It's amazing how many of these big TEs are good movers.

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egbertsouse's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:31 am

I don’t buy in to the prevailing “Gute is a genius” narrative of these Packer fan sites. Nor am I in the “Fire Gute” crowd. He usually makes pretty s sound picks, especially in the later rounds, but has a tendency to panic and reach for players. Sometimes it works (Gary) and sometimes it crashes and burns (Love). I think he reached for Walker and got hosed by the Vikings for Watson but they both may end up being pretty good players, although Watson does give me Jeff Janis flashbacks.

I would grade 2022 as a standard Gute C+ to B- draft so far.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:42 am

"burns (Love)" = heartburn?

Egbert, I think this is the start of a beautiful relationship...I think we are brothers, separated at birth? :D

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PeteK's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:36 am

He does fit the Janis mold or Jerry Rice Mississippi Valley State.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:51 am

As a pure drafter, I'd give Gute a B- so far in his career. Good with the top two picks, usually, just not enough production out of rounds 3 to 7.

Much better with his pro personnel decisions (UFA decisions) and churning the bottom of the roster/in-season acquisitions.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 08:45 am

After checking out Rhyan, I’m impressed. Some services rated him at the end of 2nd round. More importantly, he played LT for 3 years with success. Typical successful OL draft pick from the Packers. He also has a nastiness to him and is a great run blocker.

Sure seems like this team is becoming Defense and controlling the clock offense, which is a winning formula. At the very least, Watson most importantly, provides them with a player who will have to be respected and keep the defense honest which will open up the middle to keep the chains moving. Rodgers will feast on that with all other pass catchers.

I’m excited to see what he does with his exceptional athleticism he showed with his RAS.

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Coldworld's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:36 am

RAS is nice. Attitude with RAS is much better. A true football player. I think he starts inside and helps with the run game. Again our OL is getting bigger while remaining athletic.

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croatpackfan's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:19 am

I believe murf was talking about Watson, his RAS is 9.96

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frankthefork's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:22 am

Bee Gee did it again, by wasting a quality pick on his gut and position of power as GM...man the ego and balls of this dude!

He did it with JMoore?-failed(was it a trade-up?), did it with JSternberger-failed, did it with JLove, Deguara? and ARodgers-incomplete bench warmers. He did it for JA (savage) and Gary- and it worked out alright, but both have injuries-can be all pros, yada, yada. Whippee.
Logic proves that Trade ups = are a crapshoot, so why gamble? Power Ego Gut Need?

THE Point is the Packers could have TE-McBride and WR Pierce on the team filling 2 two roles of need by taking what GOD gave you...but Nah; like a spoiled child-bully that he probably was and is, Bee Gee had to let his ego get the best of him... and to do it with a team (viqueens) we play 2x a year and can barely win one of them!

As a fan, I can complain, yell profanities at the TV, say I said so as I squeeze my armchair and throw my beer. Pissed-yeah. Bet McBride and Pierce combined do more than Watson -yeah.
But, I remain a Packer fan hoping for the best - as I again, am selling my seats in aggravation.

Glad the team keeps winning and has a chance in the playoffs-thanks to MVP AR12, but hate the draft moves up.

It's a good thing Bee Gee makes amends and finds FA's for value better than his trade-ups.

As for now...it's GO PACK GO...while I complain, swear and throw good beer away for nothing.
Guess I should enjoy the show and let it go...but now you know how I feel! Ugh! RELAX! It will be fine!

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frankthefork's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:13 am

I need to smile and laugh more during this draft process, as I grab my Citalopram, Lorazepam, and(714) another beer... it's early and Im yelling GPG for life. Sucks I have to sit and take it, but the picks are in!

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PeteK's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:41 am

You need a switch to bowling.

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frankthefork's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:25 am

I can only bowl 200. I'll feel better going to the border to place my order! I need to calm down.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:02 am

Easy Frankthefork—you sound like my former supervisor—tsk tsk.

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mrtundra's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:03 am

I see it as we stole minnesota's pick at #34 for #53 and #59. minnesota then traded #53 for lower draft picks. We got our WR at #34 and then we got our RT/RG in Round 3. I think we look at an IOL, S, WR RB and TE yet today. We'll see how the board falls. A few guys, like Logan Bruss, OL, Wisconsin, went in the 3rd round, while most mocks saw him go in the 5th-7th Rounds. Gute still has draft capital to use and we currently do not have a pick, in the 6th Round. As expected, though, LBs Tindall and Chenal went late in the 3rd Round.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:13 am

Christian will have the MVP throwing to him...so that should increase his rookie production. (BTW, Rodgers was the first Packer to contact Watson after the pick. That was a nice touch.)

Watson is an Honor Student so he knows how to study and learn. He needs to spend a lot of time at Rodgers elbow asking lots of questions before and after plays in practice. Be the sponge. It seems Rodgers has been willing tutor for young WRs, as Lazard has raved about.

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NickPerry's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:28 am

He also scored a 38 on the Wonderlic. That's (cough, cough) HIGHER than Aaron Rodgers score of 35.

SO, it seems we not only got a athletic WR who absolutely demolished competition at the Senior Bowl all week,but we got a kid who's smart and has a lot of common sense.

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murf7777's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:40 am

I don’t think we can undervalue that stat. It will be imperative for him to learn the intricacies of NFL defenses to be valuable early in his career. The more I’m studying Watson the more I like the pick. At 6’4, he’s an athletic freak, hmmm ……I remember another Wisconsin sports team taking a risk on an athletic freak. That worked out pretty good.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:40 am

"I don’t think we can undervalue that stat."

But we can definitely overvalue it.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:10 am

Someone posted that Watson is a poor-man’s James Lofton. Many coaches claimed that Lofton was the smartest player they had ever coached. Perhaps Watson is Lofton? I compared Watson to Javon Walker. Although Walker was very talented, he was no brainiac; it appears Watson is—-maybe we found Lofton—hope so!!

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:05 pm

I gave him the Lofton comparison from first glance viewing Watson. So Blame Me. Just remember watching Air Raid I with JJ., Coffman and James do their thing @ Lambeau with Lynn Dickey.
Watson's track background and explosion after securing the rock in fluid motion and his strong hands.
Intelligence is critical in the Pro Game. Tarzan can't make the squad if they can't learn the playbook and make adjustments faster.

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Lphill's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:23 am

Everyone so far should be happy with this draft , hopefully the later picks will be guys identified as having special teams experience if so then this draft is a homerun.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:39 am

I'm so excited about this team as a whole I'm probably going to get the drizzles.

IDK what today has in store for us, but I hope Gutey just does his thing and forgets the noise. Those who aren't happy, I feel for ya.

I know I'm in the minority on this from the "Jump" but I hope our 1st pick today is Pierre Strong. We need more speed. That official 4.37 is impressive for a RB at 207lbs. He could come in and contribute on STs right away and be a force in a couple years.

Good thing I'm wearing shades, because the future is bright.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:07 am

I'd like Strong, too, but I'm hoping for Cade Otton, Bo Melton, Khalil Shakir, Charlie Kolar, Zach Tom, Chris Paul, Spencer Burford, or Kyren Williams (who BG won't touch).
Preferably two of them.

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frankthefork's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:28 am

Do love the Optimism!
Heck, where is the "sanity" lately?

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bigdave's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:45 am

Just like every other draft year in football, since the beginning of time, we will know in a few years how we did. These could all be all pros, or they could all be Tony Mandarich. We will know soon enough. I like draft picks with high RAS but I work on computers for a living and rarely spend enough time to really make an educated guess on the thousands of athletes looked at for the draft. I hope we did well.

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bigdave's picture

April 30, 2022 at 09:45 am

Just like every other draft year in football, since the beginning of time, we will know in a few years how we did. These could all be all pros, or they could all be Tony Mandarich. We will know soon enough. I like draft picks with high RAS but I work on computers for a living and rarely spend enough time to really make an educated guess on the thousands of athletes looked at for the draft. I hope we did well.

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WestWi_Packfan's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:24 am

I was a little surprised the Pack picked Walker over an obvious need at Edge rusher in Karloftis, who looks like a good prospect. Although after watching some film and doing some homework on Quay, (I was not familiar with him) it looks like he was taken in the right range of picks and has plenty of talent to justify his draft slot. Devante Wyatt looks like a big upgrade from Keke who's spot he is replacing, and at first will be a rotational player for us. Watson is a great physical specimen and could really turn into something special, I don't blame Gute for trading away 2- 2nds to get him as WR was their biggest need and he would have been roasted by the fanbase if he didn't get us at least one good prospect early on. This is one scenario where giving up value points was not such a big deal because if they stood pat in the 2nd they may have missed out on what was left of the higher rated WR's of which there was only about 3 or 4 left. Overall I grade this draft so far is in the B+ range and it would have been an "A" if they didn't give up the extra pick, but is understandable given their situation at WR. I also think they got good value for Rhyne as to where he was selected. Of course the real grades will come a couple years down the road but as things stand now, I think its fair.

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dobber's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:34 am

There are some sneaky-good prospects on the edge still out there, yet. I think the value is there.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:10 pm

Walker is better, faster and more multiple.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 30, 2022 at 10:51 am

I'd like to add, relative to Christian Watson, that nobody seems to be mentioning that he helped make Trey Lance the overall pick 3 in last year's draft.

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Tedlyflyfisher's picture

April 30, 2022 at 11:12 am

I would love it if we could get Khalil Shakir on day 3! Crossing my fingers.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

April 30, 2022 at 01:03 pm

In terms of the overall scale of those draft value charts, the Pack gave up almost nothing to move up. Marginal differences in the values.

It was a GREAT move up to get a really talented player and we seem to have schooled the Vikes new GM because his strategy was baffling.

If they had wanted to acquire more picks all along, why wouldn't they have traded the 32 to the Pack if the Pack assured them that they weren't going to take the Vikes guy at 32?
Did the Vikes truly believe that if they had made that trade, that their guy was going to be gone at 33 and before they picked again at 34?
Did they not have 2-3 players in their sites that fit their value chart in that span?

It seems like the value of the 34 for them would have been far greater than the value of the picks they got. Despite the marginal differences between 197 and 175 or 680 and 560.

They could have gotten a starter or even star caliber player at 34 and instead will get a pair of career back ups and ST players at 53 and 59.

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sjc28's picture

April 30, 2022 at 04:13 pm

Once again Gutekunst gives up valuable draft capital for a developmental player. Pick 22 should have been edge Jermaine Johnson. Good pick at 28. How do you not draft a safety or corner. I don't see anyone with speed for special teams coverage units. I think they got good players I just don't think they got the correct players

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