What about the coaches? Pittsburgh ran the ball down their throats for over 200 yards and Barry is presenting light fronts worried about Pickett? This is a prelude to the 70's Show, unless, the failures who designed the Six Year Plan are removed.

61- Kenny Clark? Must have been a typo? I actually think Kenny Clark is having a subpar year for how he is paid and what is expected of him. Yesterday I was underwhelmed with him again. Just curious how he earned a game ball in your eyes. Much respect. Have a good week sir.

...Next 3 games, Chargers, Lions and Chiefs will indicate where the Packers stand against some of the league leaders...

Arrrgh! All my Lions friends are looking forward to licking Packer blood off their drumsticks on Thanksgiving. I only need this team to play hard and be competitive down this stretch. More than anything this will tell me how good the coaches are.

Jones would still be running if he caught that trick play pass.

I think i know where the Packers stand before they play those 3 teams.

As i said in another post.

They need to learn how to run their offense before they learn how to win.
Which you could parse to mean the same thing i reckon.

'61....
It's true, we'll see where they are at the end of the season.

Should we see improvement? Well...we damn well better see something positive after week 18, right?
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Here's why everyone is losing their chit......

It isn't that Packer fans expected them to win the NFC North, (i'd like to think they are smarter than that).

They are losing their chit because they just look lost, too often.
There is nothing 'smooooth' about the Packers offense.
Yes, we see some nice plays here and there.
Three passes to Watson that come to mind.
Some nice connections with Musgrave like that catch down the seam.
Doubs scoring a handful of times showed improvement from last season.
Wicks and Reed occasionally.

But those plays are here 'n there.
There is nothing consistent, it's a hodgepodge offense, a play here, a play there, with this guy, that guy, and then some other guy.
There is no identity.

Ultimately....Packer fans are upset, because the offense isn't further along in their development than they are right now.

That is just my opinion, my .02

Well, F'n A 🤔......

If you are 1-5 in the red zone....
If you throw 2 picks in the last 4 minutes of the game....
If your 8first round picks on defense can't keep another team under 200 yards rushing....

You may lose the game.

Some view this game as some kind of moral victory.

I view this team as....

BROKEN

Great post Savage57. We should some improvement in the passing accuracy and the run defense by now. I'm beginning to believe that it is a combination of mediocre coaching and over rated draft selections. The GM should held as accountable as the coaching staff.

We'll have better answers at the end of the season. Thanks, Since '61

Quote from HawkPacker.
"I know Love won't be the next AR, but he was a generational talent and it is not expected that Love would be as good as him. However, we need that postion to be outstanding for us. For Ken to state that he is going to be an 'okay' QB is not good enough."

Unfortunately, saying this is not good enough, does not address the problem of trying to find someone who IS. You could easily draft three first round picks at QB over the next few years and have them all fail, which will also really weaken the rest of your team since top picks keep being used for a QB that is both expensive and doesn't pan out.

The success rate of QBs taken in round one, especially success to the level you want, is low. For every success story there there are several failures, both absolute failures and the failures where the QB bumps along but isn't very good (for example, Fields).

The best we can look forward to is one of two divergent answers:

1) Love keeps improving to be a top 10 QB
2) Love doesn't get better, but the Packers strike gold on their first attempt at getting a new QB.

Both scenarios require a lot of luck, though I would argue that option 1 has the better chance of success. After watching QB school on his passes and decisions, I have real hope he can be 'the guy'. Maybe not Rodgers level, but good.

'He is going to be an okay quarterback in this league. But he is going to need a dominant defense behind him in order to win at this level. He doesn’t have that.'

Translation......
If Love has a strong defense he can be a good game manager QB
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You are correct...even with 8 first round picks on defense, he doesn't have that.

Here's the other thing, has Love proven he's even a good Game Manager?

Hawk,

I thought Love played a very good first half. Threw for 90 yards and 2 TDs and no INTs. I thought ML could have run the ball more in this game especially with Dillion. Dillion averaged over 7 yards per carry but only touched the ball 9 times.

The o-line was once again putrid in the interior and at LT. Walker was consistently getting shoved backward into Love and Runyan is just not good right now. Meyers is well Meyers.

Watson is another issue. He does not compete for the ball and does not get open consistently. Wicks, Doubs, and Reed should all be getting more opportunities then him right now. We have no #1 WR or a veteran WR that can help these young guys,

What Love needs to work on is his deep accuracy and not wanting to go for the TD all the time at the 15-20 yard line in the red zone. He tends to want to throw it in the end zone all the time instead of checking it down or throwing underneath so we can get inside the 5 yard line and make it easier.

Personally, I believe if Love fixes the deep accuracy, we draft two or three o-lineman next year, and we get a veteran WR this offense is a ton different. JMHO.

For the first half, in my opinion, Love passed the eye test. The numbers were there, but also his movement in the pocket, the touch on the TD, and his control of the game finally passed my admittedly subjective eye test. On the drives with the interceptions he made throws that for us down the field to be in position to score. Both interceptions were Watson targets with the first one a mix of slightly off target and Watson making zero play on the ball and the second interception being basically a short Hail Mary…I conclude he played his best game yet to my eyes while I also learned Watson as WR1 might be hurting him and the consistent 4-5 dropped passes and lack of going up and getting it are to blame for the completion % I hate losing but this one feels different

The 2 TD passes were 'WOW' passes.

Here's reality......
Love's WOW passes are routinely thrown every Sunday by various QB's.

Sometimes i think we over credit, because he has flashes here and there of looking like a good starting QB in this league, and then.......Jordan Love happens.

I don't have hate with Watson, Doubs, Love, etc, or anyone for that matter.
I keep asking...where is this 2nd year leap with Watson and Doubs, but the only reply i get are thumbs down for an answer, with no comment from the lettuce head crowd.

I read many many times....that this offense was going to take off when Love starts and runs MLF's offense......"the way he wants it run".
Ok, is that what i'm watching, or does Love need another year or two?

Didn't the BOSS (Murphy) say they'd know what they had in Love halfway through the season?
Well, we're more than halfway.
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The only angst i have is the way this team has been mismanaged and why Gute and MLF got fat contract extensions.

With Murphy leaving in 2025, was he taking care of his boys?

The Packers GM no longer has full authority of the team in Green Bay.
When they did have full authority, 2 Championship rosters were built and 2 Super Bowls were won.

Don't fix, what isn't broke.

Too late 🤷‍♂️....Don't let the door hit ya on the way out Ginger Gap

Walker played well on Live viewing. Myers and Runyon did not for a half. Tom surrendered one sack but was otherwise excellent. I can’t help thinking that this team is better if (health permitting), Walker, Nijman and Tom all play. It wouldn’t hurt to see Rhyan and yesterday seems like it would have been a good opportunity. I’ve no faith in the OL decision making and nothing seems to abate that as weeks pass.

I don't see Watson as a problem.
He's still getting Double Teamed.
And this offense couldn't move without him.
(per past loses)

The truth is Love can't force the ball to him.
Watson should always be his first look.

Then go to Tes.
Brett Favre knew when to go to the TEs
And Love has to do that same thing.

Walker was a contributor to that failed PAT.

He didn't number up, and left Deguara with 2 DB's to cover.

Rick B needs to sort that out - how did these guys not see a stacked left-hand side and not communicate to slide (or number up from the) left?

They gifted Damontae Kazee (23) a blocked punt, then an interception. It's the wrong fan site, but GB gifted an NFL journeyman a career game. Game ball to Kazee!

Even you Edgertsouse can admit that the Lateral was a horrible call and should have given the Packers a TD.

Even you can admit that right?

It may not be the refs fault, but they did with the missed call completely change the complexity of the game and the way it would have moved forward.

Every game is going to have bad calls or missed calls. My only problem with this particular bad call is that we have a review that can clearly see the play. The NFL review process is a sham working to support the generally sub par referee system. Apparently it is easier to hide the truth rather fix it.

Well I thought the D played better run D in the second half, more aggressive. But why did it take so long for barry to make a change?

When both your O line and D are porous for a half, the chances are the day or season doesn’t end well no matter who is at QB.

Ironically, the Steelers and the Packers give up the same average points per game at 20.2 which isn't bad.
They are tied for tenth in Def. scoring.
What that means is, the Packers offense isn't getting it done.
They don't score enough to win unless they are playing bottom defenses like the Bears.

Another difference being that the Steelers feast on turnovers, they are tied for first in turnovers with the Bengals at +10.

Yes, everyone throws interceptions, but 2 things come to mind Steve.....
1) Some teams are good enough to overcome them.
2) Timing.....2 interceptions in the last 4 minutes of a one score game is unacceptable (on any team).
A QB has to be wiser at that juncture.

T7, I think u know a heck of a lot more than this incestuous coaching staff does! Love will turn out alright IF a more complete team is assembled around him. And just as importantly, if even a mediocre coaching staff is assembled.

The simple answer is that our defense is bad. Yes, Joe Barry is a weak coach but he is just one in a long line of weak DCs. Coincidence eh? Every team in the league can and will run on this defense because our D-line is weak. And, despite our investment in edge rushers we don't really get to the QB enough. At some point we will fire Barry and the next guy will inherit a line that teams run threw or get stymied by a good O-line.

Great stuff, RC, in terms of providing much needed perspective on the defense.
Yesterday, after the Packers had come back from a big deficit to take the lead in the second half, it was frustrating to have our defense gashed by the Steelers running game.
There was also that scramble by the Steelers QB on third down late in the game to pick up a first down -- which was the reason our offense didn't get the ball back until there was under a minute to go, and with no timeouts.
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It seems the defense plays just good enough to lose.
Yet, it seems there is a lot of talent on defense.
It seems Barry will never be a top defensive coordinator -- perhaps especially because of an inability to make adjustments during a game to put our defenders in position to make key stops.
It seems we should get a new defensive coordinator as of today.

Thumbs up, Guam.
This strategy by Barry to hinder our run defense seems especially poor because the Steelers don't appear to have the most potent passing attack.
After the Packers took the lead in the second half, it seems the Steelers gashed the Packers defense with three or more runs of more than ten yards. Deflating.

"I believe they even played two D-linemen on the goal line play where the Pittsburgh running back almost walked into the end zone."

Correct. It was 1st and goal at the 4, and they had 2 DL.
This was after they gave up runs of 5 yards, 0 yards, 7 yards, 12 yards, 6 yards, 6 yards. Also gave up a 6 yards pass to Warren.

I have been saying this for 2 1/2 years. At least MLF is achieving his objective in keeping the hapless Barry...consistency. Barry is consistently bad at his job.

Your very right as long as bonehead Barry it there they will keep losing can win gave up that many yards every game they just eat the clock up

No one is held accountable at 1265 Lombardi.

Murphy certainly is not...being allowed to play NFL owner for 5 years and counting.

The "football committee" certainly is not. All three direct reports to Acting GM Murphy are allowed to interfere in each other's sandboxes.

And the coaches certainly are not...the DC and OC are not good at their jobs. I don't even know what OC Stenovich's role is. Barry is a perennial bottom feeder of coaches. Bisaccia has taken a step backwards. And MLF is a glorified, highly paid OC and does not seem at all involved in the other two phases of the team.

And it is not going to change next season with Murphy entering his swan song.

...How....can you give a first year starting QB such a young inexperienced offense, and expect any ort of success. That's ludicrous. But that is exactly what Murphy and Gute did...

I agree. Moving on from Rodgers wasn't going to be easy but handcuffing yourself with contracts and inexperience isn't a reasonable transition strategy. I think the front office were hiding behind Rodgers for a long time hoping to hide poor drafts and a coaching mess. Handicapping Love makes this process unnecessarily difficult and perhaps fatal for the young QB.

I wouldn't give up on Love so easily. To your point, the coaching staff isn't doing him many favors on numerous fronts. The next guy is going to get handicapped with the same bullshit coaching, inexperience and talent gaps. If we going go with an all-young offense then they can sink or swim together.

I would work on providing Love with better run blocking, better screen blocking and more short crosser routes. In other words, I would change what we are practicing and drill some simpler fundamentals. I'd probably sit Runyon if Ryhan can step up.

Totally agree. Jared Goff looks like an All Pro behind a solid O-line and equipped with two stud RBs. At this rate, the likely script on Love will be that he didn't know where his WRs would be, his RBs kept running into the backs of the O-linemen being pushed into the backfield and the coaches kept doing the same thing.

If you were going to evaluate a QB prospect you wouldn't start with so many gaps of talent, inexperience and coaching gaffs.