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Report: Packers Interested in Ravens DL Arthur Jones

The Green Bay Packers are interested in upcoming free agent defensive lineman Arthur Jones, according to Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun.

Per Wilson:

Jones has long been expected leave the Ravens via free agency because of how expensive he would be to retain. He had 53 tackles and four sacks last season and is regarded as an ascending player who could fit into 3-4 or 4-3 defensive schemes.

The Packers are just one of several teams that have reportedly expressed interest and no deal appears imminent.

Jones could re-sign with the Ravens at any time but couldn't sign with another NFL team until Tuesday afternoon at the earliest.

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RC Packer Fan's picture

He would be a perfect fit for the Packers. They need a player like him.

They also are reportedly interested in Lamarr Houston as well.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000332259/article/report-packers-ey...

Either way, if they could resign Raji to play NT. Add either Houston or Jones, I believe that will help the defense.
Raji's best position is NT. Getting him back there will be a good move IMO.

Evan's picture

A starting d-line of Arthur Jones - BJ Raji - Datone Jones would be pretty nice, imo. With Jolly, Daniels and Worthy as backups.

Speaking of former Ravens, Daryl Smith would be awesome too.

L's picture

Where does Boyd fit into that list?

Evan's picture

Oh, right...I forgot about Boyd.

lebowski's picture

in place of Jolly

HankScorpio's picture

Unless everything I've ever read about Capers approach is wrong or he is going to massively alter his approach, I don't see big $$ DEs as good FA value. NT is a different story. Capers' defensive approach counts on a NT that can really control the center of the line.

But DEs are just meant to occupy blockers to let the LBs be free to roam and make impact plays. With LBs that have shown little knack for making impact plays, it would seem that upgrading LB would be a bigger priority, IMO. In what Capers likes to do, DEs are more placeholder than playmaker. You don't make a big investment in placeholders. You make a big investment in playmakers.

Something doesn't add up.

Stroh's picture

Was Jenkins or Jolly just occupying blocks when Capers 1st arrived? Jolly was batting down a dozen passes and Jenkins was a pass rush terror. Also those 34 DE are the guys who become the pass rush DT in passing/nickel situations. If they were just there to be placeholders the Packers wouldn't have drafted Datone in the 1st rd and they wouldn't be considering another one in the 1st this year. Certianly the 34 DE aren't the playmakers as much as the OLB but they aren't just placeholders. The D can probably function w/ them being placeholders but the pass rush needs those DE/DT to put pressure on the QB and collapse the pocket too.

WisconsinRob's picture

Jenkins really is the exception to the rule for Dom Capers. And Jolly was ideal in that he occupied blockers and interrupted passing lanes by batting passes down.

Stroh's picture

An they've been trying to replace Jenkins. Used a 2nd on Neal who in very limited action seemed like he might fit the bill. But injuries prevented him and last year they've used the 1st on Datone to fill the same role that Jenkins had and Neal was supposed to. If they just wanted another placeholder at DE they wouldn't be looking to sign a FA like Houston or Jones. They want guys at the DE that can make plays and provide some pass rush.

HankScorpio's picture

This is unconvincing. Not even a little bit convincing. I'm sure it sounded good to you but it seems like the dumbest justification imaginable for a free agent spending spree on DEs.

If they like the way Jolly disrupts passing lanes, why not just re-sign Jolly on the cheap? Or find another late round fatbody and tell him to put his arms up (like Jolly)? Putting your arms up is a skill that commands top dollar? Give me a break.

Doesn't Mike Daniels give them the same kind of pass rush they got from Cullen Jenkins?

And, of course, it doesn't touch the real point I made...that 3-4 LBs are meant to make plays and the Packers lack playmakers at LB.

BTW..The Steelers 3-4 defense (which is the 3-4 flavor Capers runs) used guys like Kimo van Oelhoffen and Brett Keisel at DE. Both played their role well but were hardly keeping opposing OCs up at night.

Stroh's picture

Well did Jolly bat a lot of balls down last year? I like him as much as anyone but he isn't what he was before. Keisel had 4 sacks last year and they had Aaron Smith before. They always provided some pressure from the DL as well as taking on the run responsibilities. Didn't Arthur Jones and Houston have in the 4 sack range.

Yes in Caper scheme the DL do take on double teams on run downs and they have responsibilities in pass rush that don't always allow them to simply rush free. But if they had someone a la Jenkins, Capers can certainly allow them plenty of opportunities to rush. Jenkins and Raji had terrific year in '10 doing exactly that. What was it they had for sacks that year? Raji 7.5 and Jenkins 6.5? Something like that.

opportunities can be created for them to rush on pass downs if they have the ability. In Pitts beside Keisel's 4 sack, Hood had 3 and Heyward had 5.

The Packers didn't have anyone beside Daniel last year that could get pressure. Datone will be expected to improve on that next year as well as his run D. Datone, Daniels... Need more that just the 2 especially if Datone is playing regularly on run downs. Like I said, you need to rotate DL to keep them fresh and effective!

PackerBacker's picture

You could make the argument that the problem is that the DL they have now (with the exception of Daniels) are just place holders. That's holding this defense back. They need some guys who don't just hold their ground, but play in the backfield.

HankScorpio's picture

But don't they ask all their DL to cover two gaps? If so, the scheme is really preventing them from penetrating to some degree, at least.

Jamie's picture

I could be wrong, I'm going off of the reports that came out during the combine, but I suspect the Packers are looking to implement a scheme adjustment that provides more opportunity to rush the passer from the interior.

This is something they cannot do without the horses....e.g. they are looking to sign an explosive and versatile guy that has proven ability to get to the QB and make plays vs the run as a DE in a 34 and/or a DT in the 43.

You mentioned we have already have Mike Daniels . EXACTLY!! Isn't he great? But why only have one, when we can have two (or three...Datone Jones)? Just imagine two or three of these guys, which to a QB doesn't look like 1 + 1 + 1 = 3...it looks like 1 + 1 + 1 = 5 (see SEA).

HankScorpio's picture

Well, if the Packers are planning on going to let their DL take a more up the field approach, additional DL help makes more sense. But if they wanted to scrap Capers system, why not scrap Capers along with it?

Since everyone and their brother seems on board with the notion of a spending spree at DL, I have to consider that I'm missing something by thinking that is a waste of cap space. But I'll be darned if I can see what I'm missing.

Evan's picture

I don't think bring in one DE = a spending spree. We're not talking Greg Hardy or Michael Johnson.

HankScorpio's picture

Yeah, "spending spree" might be a bit over the top. But it is TT we're talking about. :)

Stroh's picture

You don't remember '10 when Raji had 7.5 sacks and Jenkins 7 sacks? Now we have Daniels who is showing to be a good interior pass rusher, but probably won't be able to play on run downs. Datone will be expected to improve both vs the run and in pass rush. So we need another guy that can play on run downs AND add some in pass rush.

Capers scheme is a 2 gap and the DL on pass downs don't always have freedom to just rush, but those opportunities can certainly be added if they show they have the ability. Plus I think a vet would add a good presence to what is otherwise going to be a young DL unit.

Getting Raji back at NT would help quite a bit too. Playing out of position at DE may have ruined him. Certainly it frustrated him.

Jamie's picture

Adding elements to the existing scheme is a far cry from scrapping the scheme.

You may be missing something because you are looking at this in extremes. (e.g. "spending spree", "scrap Capers system")

HankScorpio's picture

Jamie,

I wouldn't call a transformation of the DL from two gapping to one gapping "adding elements". The first point of defense would be doing things the opposite way of what they had been doing. That seems like a pretty fundamental change in the way they do things to me.

If that is what we were talking about, I'll stand by that comment. If it wasn't, I'd be curious to read a better explanation why a position that has always been filled by role players in Pittsburgh is suddenly demanding lots of high draft picks and expensive FA talent when that same system is used in GB.

Jamie's picture

I'm not sure where you've been but they one-gap all of the time. If they feel they can be more productive by increasing this ratio, or just want to have more versatile DLinemen to be more multiple, that by no means indicates a scrapping of the system...they are adding to (and possibly subtracting from) the system.

HankScorpio's picture

They one gap all of the time and they might feel they can be more productive by increasing that ratio, huh?

It would seem difficult to increase the ratio if the starting point is all, wouldn't it?

Jamie's picture

I'm not sure what you're asking, and I'm almost positive you're not sure what you're talking about.

COW's picture

All this "scrapping the system" talk is getting me EXCITED!!!!!!!

Evan's picture

Either would be awesome signings.

When I heard Lamarr Houston, I at first thought Lamarr Woodley...who also might be a decent, cheap signing if/when they lose Neal.

What do people think about Randy Starks? He's listed at 6'3", 305. Could he play DE in the 3-4 or is he strictly a DT.

Stroh's picture

Starks is a DT or NT.

Evan's picture

Thanks. I've been hearing a lot about Starks as likely one of the best FA bargains. But if they're going to grab a former Dolphin to play NT, I'd rather have Soliai

lebowski's picture

Let the disgruntled waste-of-space Raji leave and sign Soliai. That works.

Stroh's picture

Raji is disgruntled due to the fact he's been forced to play DE, not his natural NT. Put him back at NT and in a contract year and he'll be more effective.

HankScorpio's picture

I'm coming around to the point of view that Raji is just plain lazy. If he wanted out of GB, he would have played for a contract from someone else last season. And wouldn't be considering another contract from GB.

Jordan's picture

I don't know what Raji's problem is for sure, but he's certainly not the player they were hoping for. He gets manhandled on a regular basis no matter where he lines up based on my observations since day 1. Pickett played NT much better. Pickett played everywhere better than Raji. Now Pickett is old. A 1 year 4 million dollar offer says it all.

Jordan's picture

And just to add. What's Raji been paid so far? 27 million? Safe to say he wasn't under paid.

COW's picture

Packers were lucky as hell that Raji turned down that 8mil/per offer.
They'll be equally as lucky if this turd turns down their 4mil offer.

On another note...
T
he $ Shields got makes me uncomfortable.
TT's recent re-signing success on D has been less that stellar...

Tramon tanked.
Hawk stayed Hawk.
Jones tanked.
If Raji would have accepted TT's original offer it would have been crippling.
Burnett - yikes.

Sensing a trend.

Hope Shields breaks the streak.

HankScorpio's picture

It's easy to sense a trend when you only look at the evidence that supports your preconceived notions. The Packers have signed plenty of guys to 2nd deals that have met or exceeded expectations.

Think hard, the names may come to you.

COW's picture

Yep - Matthews sure had a stellar season.

Ummmm... I'm still thinking.... ummm... yeah - I got nothin'.

Help me out.

Which defensive player (currently on the team) has improved since signing an extension or second contract?

1. Pickett
2. ??????????????

Imma Fubared's picture

I wonder why they aren't interest in the guy who was a big nemesis for them, Jared Allen. More than likely because its that 3-4 defense they are sticking with.
I still agree with Ketchum, the 3-4 is a cheaper defense that allows a team to avoid paying and seeking high priced DE's. To me that makes sense and is the cheaper route to go even though I hate the 3-4. This is a passing leagues not a run stopping league.

Stroh's picture

Packers are paying Matthews as much as any of the top 43 DE. So you can toss out the "cheaper" theory. Allen is 31 and losing a step. He doesn't fit a 34 D! Remember how hard it was to watch Kampman at OLB? Allen would be worse!

COW's picture

Wasn't drafted by the Packers + Starting caliber player = Will not be signed by the Packers.

Simple math.

Next signing will be Raji.
Then EDS.
Then Neal.
Then Quarless.
Then 2 or 3 backup/special team no names.
Then Jolly.
Then Kuhn.
Then Pickett.

The order may not be right, but you get the idea...

I've said it before and I'll say it again - If the Packers have a new starter (offense or defense) who wasn't on the roster last year it'll be a rookie.

COW's picture

Does the Packer interest in FA DE's mean that they (like me) have seen what they have in D. Jones (nothing)?

Stroh's picture

Last I checked there are 2 DE in a 34 D... AND there are 2 DT in the nickel pass rush. That doesn't even begin to account for the fact that those big guys need to be rotated regularly to keep them fresh and effective! The ClOWn returns to make a clown of himself again!

PackerBacker's picture

Or does it mean that Pickett, Raji, Neal and Jolly are all free agents and some won't be back? They both need to replace some DL and upgrade the position. This doesn't have anything to do with D. Jones and how he played last year.

Having said that, he does need to take a good step this offseason and be a factor next year.

HankScorpio's picture

Cow,

It is difficult to draw another conclusion. A draft and develop team blocking a young 1st round draft choice with a high priced FA addition sure isn't a vote of confidence. Add in Worthy, who was also an early pick that had a lost 2nd year due to injury and you've got another piece of the puzzle that just doesn't fit the Packers shopping for expensive DE help.

And, of course, that assumes Mike Daniels in not in the base package plans or is being looked at on the nose....both of which may or may not be true.

Jordan's picture

I think it means they watched the Super Bowl and were reminded just how important winning at the line of scrimmage is. Seattle crushed Denver primarily because of what happened at the line of scrimmage. Manning had no time to throw all 4 quarters.

COW's picture

Exactly... and they realize that the players they currently have on the roster can't "win the line of scrimmage".

Jordan's picture

I think TT is always attempting to add quality players. Quality depth and quality starters. You never know when or where injuries might occur. Seattle and 49ers are definitely the teams to beat in NFC. Can't have perfect drafts every year. Just ask bill belicek.

COW's picture

Does the Packer interest in FA DE's mean that they (like me) have seen what they have in D. Jones (nothing)?

Jamie's picture

Dislike not doing a damn thing.

At what point does CHTV do something meaningful re: blatant trolling (see troll copying and pasting the same idiotic comments in the same or multiple posts)?

COW's picture

So there's absolutely no chance that the Packers are looking at FA DL'men partly due to the possibility that they've seen (and aren't impressed with) what they have in D. Jones and Worthy?

Why can't this be suggested?

This whole conversation is pointless, by the way.
The Packers are NOT going to sign anyone of significance.

Byrd
Clemons
Houston
Jones
Flavor of the week 1
Flavor of the week 2
Blah, Blah, Blah

Not happening.

Hey CHTV guys - can we get some draft posts rolling here?
This FA crap is clearly just bait to draw n guys like 4 - n - 1.

4thand1's picture

its called reporting. It draws in interested fans. Think I'll go skunk hunting.

Jordan's picture

Wow man. The dude hasn't been impressed with D. Jones. So what. He's got an opinion like everyone else. Not sure if that's trolling. Why so sensitive? Just ignore comments that you don't like or agree with. They gave you a dislike button.

For a fan to have immediate expectations from a first rounder isn't all that far fetched.

Personally, my expectations aren't that high for rookies, but I certainly understand if someone does have higher expectations from a first rounder in the DL trenches and wishes to express their disappointment.

4thand1's picture

I may be out on a limb , but the cowpie is calling out everyone. The Packers have a couple of glaring holes to fill and they know it. I'm betting on some FA signings that will make a difference. Cowpie is hoping they sign no one. He doesn't just bash D Jones, he bashes everything about the Packers. If you're going to troll, at least have the guts to say what team you really support. At least we can have some great comebacks , because cow's probably a vikqueen or thebearsstillsuck fan.

4thand1's picture

I may be out on a limb , but the cowpie is calling out everyone. The Packers have a couple of glaring holes to fill and they know it. I'm betting on some FA signings that will make a difference. Cowpie is hoping they sign no one. He doesn't just bash D Jones, he bashes everything about the Packers. If you're going to troll, at least have the guts to say what team you really support. At least we can have some great comebacks , because cow's probably a vikqueen or thebearsstillsuck fan.

COW's picture

"I'm betting on some FA signings that will make a difference. "

No - you're HOPING.

" He doesn't just bash D Jones, he bashes everything about the Packers. "

Nah - just the defense, special teams, general coaching, and personnel department.

I'm cool with the offense.

Stroh's picture

Cool w/ the offense? I seem to remember you said Rodgers was average or good. I remember you called Lacy a poor draft choice even before he played a down. You spew negativity about ALL things Packers, ALL the time. You predicted a 6-10 season w/ Rodgers healthy all year! Need we continue?!

Your a Troll, nothing more... Quite trying to deny it. Everyone that's been here long knows!

COW's picture

I listed Rodgers as a good QB.
What's wrong with that?
He is good!

I NEVER basked the Lacy pick.
That's a fabrication.
I bashed the Franklin pick.
And I was right.

Jordan's picture

I liked the Franklin pick. I didn't like the fumbles. But he definitely flashed. Always best to reserve judgement on rookies til after year two.

4thand1's picture

Maybe you should add honesty to your posts. It must be a troll trait to be a flat out liar. Every player that gets injured is a bust to you. C'mon , tell us who your favorite team is. I won't be too hard on you..................NOT.

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