#PackersDaily: Packers trade Rasul Douglas to the Bills
Aaron chats with fans about the news that the Packers have sent Douglas and a fifth round pick to the Buffalo Bills for a third round pick.
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Lphill
October 31, 2023 at 03:07 pm
Giving up on the season trading our best corner this year.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 03:11 pm
1. The tank begins. -
2. Gary gets Douglass' money.
3. Buffalo will be in the playoffs.
Trading a late 3rd is chicken Feed.
splitpea1
October 31, 2023 at 03:33 pm
I have to agree. The Packers lost a physical corner who has played every defensive snap so far this season. And we included our fifth rounder. I think we could have squeezed the Bills for a better deal given how needy they are at the position and the Bears not budging on Johnson.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 03:43 pm
I would have preferred to keep Douglass.
The signing of Gary should have waited.
TT would never have run this club in the ground.
Gute has.
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 08:13 pm
The signing of Gary should have waited?
What?
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 03:52 pm
It’s a sign that they realize that this regime has hit the wall. They are willing to trade a leader because he’s not changing anything this year and the system will be different next year. A sign that perhaps change is coming.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 04:03 pm
As Long as Gute can spend money?
You know that isn't right.
Change is coming.
Truer words were never spoken now.
LeotisHarris
October 31, 2023 at 04:04 pm
Who do you see as "they" CW? Murphy and Gute?
There's a season to play out, but I don't see any changes in President or GM before Murphy retires. Don't you think Gute or Ball will ascend to the throne?
I'll miss Rasul. Good man. Good player.
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 04:54 pm
Wish I knew. Murphy certainly, Ball and Gute too, perhaps. Maybe even Policy if he is truly the in house favorite to replace Murphy. It’s too occluded to be certain.
Racingdad
October 31, 2023 at 06:18 pm
CW. We can only hope you are correct
MainePackFan
October 31, 2023 at 07:03 pm
Obviously the FO knows this team is going nowhere this year. Douglas was their only tradeable commodity. I think Preston would have been traded as well if there were any takers. That being said, I think your fervent desire to see this coaching blown up isn't going to happen.
dblbogey
October 31, 2023 at 04:57 pm
It's a great move, if we're trying to get the #1 pick next year. I really don't get it, they got a 3 and gave up a 5 in exchange for an above average CB, which every team could use. Is there a big salary cap savings involved? Otherwise, it makes no sense. Our last good 3rd round pick was Morgan Burnett 13 years ago.
CheesedDeadHead
October 31, 2023 at 05:07 pm
Carrington can play 10 yards off the WR just as well as Douglass for a lot less. Remember Barry's defense makes every player crap so why pay a premium for soft, soft, soft coverage.
Probably couldn't find a taker for Jaire's contract.
hobowilly
October 31, 2023 at 08:26 pm
this 10yds off the ball and backpedaling upon the snap is ludicrous. The trade is
yet another Micah Hyde mistake. GB hasn't shown to be a better than avg drafting group despite Gutey's longtime experience doing so; GB gave away a strong player (don't care they got him for nothing-AZ practice squad) and won't be able to replace him for months truth be told. Further, this draft/develop business isn't really working, right??! Stokes nada, Savage nada (both 1st rnd busts to date essentially)
I'd say the only current player that's proven out of the dozens selected has been R. Gary & J. Alexander (whose stock is dropping rapidly) but it did take them a couple years. When you draft players in the first/second they should reasonably be expected to play their rookie year. Gary has come back strong from his ACL and hopefully still on the rise, so i agree with MLF, "he earned it".
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:09 pm
Agreed. Of all the dumbass things to do, this is almost as bad as just cutting Rasul and getting nothing in return for him. This will demoralize every player, especially the younger ones.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 03:59 pm
The Bears dump a two pick for Montez Sweat; the guy he should have drafted along with Burns. Classic FU being the Guteworst. Lay money Gary goes the way of Perry and the IR list. Best keep P. Smith through 2025. Douglas must have called out the Silage committee. He was the only guy showing leadership via criticism of "The Plan." This Muther is a disaster which keeps on giving. Has Rhyan seen the field. Number 3...Number 3 ?? Full Tank Ahead ! Welcome to the 70's Show.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 04:06 pm
Clark will be next -
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 04:57 pm
Good, that Bears team is telling itself it’s a contender then. We aren’t, so it makes no difference in the end except that they are still delusional.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 05:25 pm
The name of the Game is Winning. This is beyond the inbred triad's comprehension.
LeotisHarris
October 31, 2023 at 06:05 pm
jb, what will the two pick be for the Commanders? I'm guessing the Commanders are doing backflips having dumped a guy who's headed for free agency and getting a top, what, 35ish pick in return? Stoopid Bears.
Things are bad in Green Bay, but the Bears? This move is Claypool-like and they're still a rudderless clusterf*ck.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 06:09 pm
They have the cash to sign him. A known quantity vs. speculative value...
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 08:43 pm
look, i can understand that the bears would want to throw away their draft picks, how many times have they traded up in the first round to take quarterbacks that don't pan out. they were beside themselves with joy for an undrafted free agent qb who apparently could take a snap and chew gum at the same time (until he got exposed last night as the next in a line of frauds at QB.)
So sure, they gave up a #2 pick that will probably settle in at number 33 or 34 at the end of the season, and then they can dump huge money trying to sign the guy they just traded for, who also could opt out when his contract expires. sounds like the kind of business you expect from Chicago.
green bay trades a guy we signed off a practice squad to a contender for a #3 pick. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that means well have 5 picks in the first 100. a HUGE step toward cap health.
MainePackFan
October 31, 2023 at 07:09 pm
but for the grace of God we could have owned Claypool. Thank you Bears !!!!
MainePackFan
October 31, 2023 at 07:06 pm
deep breath JB : )
Packerpasty
October 31, 2023 at 07:00 pm
yup, plus he probably pissed management off by speaking out on this team this year...saying stop with the "young team" excuse...he spoke his mind and played with passion...looks like just part of the tank job to me...
gordon gekko
October 31, 2023 at 11:00 pm
one does get the impression they are throwing in the towel.....not a good look. Has anyone seen Mark Murphy in past year(s).???....he must be shopping for retirement homes now that he has become a real estate magnate.
gordon gekko
October 31, 2023 at 10:57 pm
Plus look at Gueyś history with round 3 picks. Does he even understand the concept of a trade??
NJMagic
October 31, 2023 at 03:11 pm
Sigh. I've been a BG supporter... But this i don't get. Stokes wasn't playing well BEFORE injury last year, and is reinjured now. Rasul is our best leader and corner. And our other starter had a bad back ...
So when he goes down, rolling out Valentine....and????
He DOES know he needs to field a team for the rest of the season, right?
This whole crew has to go - coaches, GM.... Everyone.
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 03:46 pm
They like Valentine. Let him play. They also believe Nixon can play on the perimeter, too.
So if they cut Douglas in the off-season to clear some cap in a pinched 2024 and got nothing for him just for the sake of maybe 7-10 vs. 5-12?
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 05:02 pm
Valentine and Stokes are outside players. I’m not sure I see Nixon fitting there, but Ballentine does. Rasul fits the Barry scheme soft coverage better than any though. Maybe a sign that won’t matter.
A third round pick is a pretty decent price I suppose. I will miss him, they will miss his leadership, but he wasn’t moving the needle enough unless they still had faith in LaFleur/Barry to turn it around.
If we are going to play Valentine and Stokes though, please God play them in tight coverage. We just traded the one guy who suited off coverage in the roster. Perchance that is coincidence or a message to Barry, who knows. He’d better grasp it though.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 05:32 pm
Stokes will not be around until Thanksgiving, if he recovers? The move does not make any sense...
hobowilly
October 31, 2023 at 08:42 pm
Don't look now, but we try to play the Lions @ their place on TG. I'll take GB and 35 pts right now and that's being generous! Could be DET: 45
GB: 9
As much as i liked Crosby, it was maybe the right choice this past season. I like Carlson moving forward.
LeotisHarris
October 31, 2023 at 08:59 pm
Hold on, hobowilly! Don't think you can just show up here after all these years and have us be square. When you cut out while I slept after we jumped the east-bound C&O, you took a half tin of tobacco, my bandana, and most seasoned boot laces for making soup. Best sleep with one eye open, friend.
Vachio
October 31, 2023 at 06:25 pm
A 3rd rounder would normally be a decent price, but with a GM who has a proven track record of getting nothing out of his 3rd round picks...
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:14 pm
Exactly. He gave away Rasul for worse than nothing, losing a fifth round pick in the process. This tells everyone else on the team that they're worthless at best.
NJMagic
October 31, 2023 at 06:28 pm
Dobber, it's an eval year. This move goes to show how BADLY they miscalculated the whole roster - the defense and OL specifically.
How are they can going to eval Love if they are down 30-3 by halftime every game??
What a mess.
If anything, perhaps this shows they know he's not the answer and are angling for a top QB. One can hope....
hobowilly
October 31, 2023 at 09:02 pm
Yes, I'd agree GB miscalculated, esp thinking they were set @ Oline with both their all-pros. Steinovich is a fine Oline coach. They've drafted Olinemen the last 3 drafts i believe or more. Ever since Hackett left for Denver, GB O has been dwindling (even with a broken thumb). Now with Love trying to step up, we spoiled fans are expecting quality QB play. It also goes to show you (IMHO) mlf has to really work hard with a young QB (albeit his 4th year, 3 w/clipboard) that can't see the field anywhere close to what Mr. Rodgers could and make all the throws it took AR several seasons to perfect.
Anyone notice MLF jargon has evolved from: i got to do a better job, gotta look @ the film,
to: well, we'll see how resilent they are, we
need more consistentcy..but still film watching (which anyone would say!)
Overall folks, i think a major issue is MLF not knowing what Love's strengths are and setting up a game plan that he could succeed in; two, Love clearly doesn't have all the throws and can't see the field very well. Third, Love has had MLF as HC for 3 seasons and Tom Clemons for his second straight season now. That's darn good coaching one would think.
Conclusion: Gutey, you picked the wrong guy. It pissed off AR to the point he went out and scored 2 MVPs back to back, but MLF made a horrible choice @ ST coach in what's his name and it caused him the NFC championship game vs SF. Plain and simple!
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:17 pm
Wait. Look at all the O linemen they haven't played.
Complete mismanagement. Although I'll add Gutey to this list now, with this move ...
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 03:13 pm
Rasuuuuuuuuul!
I will miss this guy and his intensity. In the short time being a Packer, he provided some awesome memories.
Now, kick the JETs arse Rasul and best of luck to you!
GPG,
P
"will go from one of the NFL’s worst teams to one of the top contenders in the AFC at the deadline." Ouch, but true (for now)
*Just like the Jeffersons, we be moving on up. This pick will probably be packaged with another to move up higher in the draft to get ____________ ?
Racingdad
October 31, 2023 at 06:23 pm
MHJ
Norm
October 31, 2023 at 06:38 pm
They won't have to move up to pick MHJ, they'll be picking in the 3-5 range next April.
NJMagic
October 31, 2023 at 06:29 pm
Since Pack clearly folded, at least I now have a team to root for in the playoffs
KenEllis
October 31, 2023 at 03:14 pm
Brian Gutekunst with another 3rd round pick, what could go wrong?
Asking for Oren Burks, Jace Sternberger, Josiah Degaura, Amari Rodgers, and Sean Rhyan? (I'll leave Tucker Craft out of it ... for now).
TarynsEyes
October 31, 2023 at 03:44 pm
Every available draftee has their hands over their ears, hoping to not hear their name called when GB is on the clock. As sure a sign possible that your NFL career goes nowhere.
Tundraboy
October 31, 2023 at 04:40 pm
That concerns me as much as MLF and the boys staying on.
bottlefliper
October 31, 2023 at 04:56 pm
Bad year for antivaxxers.......they falling like flies.......wondering why? And all with the same injury. Thanx good Gute unloaded all that burned money to Woody.
An the best thing is, young talent will finaly come to Green Bay again. Good lockerroom and a QB who trust them, without eyesrolling all the time. A leader who dont throw them under the bus every game....
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:19 pm
Sorry but not only does this not belong here but it is the vaxtards who have been dropping like flies. Worldwide.
Learn something.
Coach Cleve Steamer
November 01, 2023 at 08:06 am
I bet the US military, especially the hard ass marines, makes sure all their (assets) personnel are vaccinated.
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 05:19 pm
Never mind the draftees; most have no choice? But what in demand coaches would come to work for LaFleur if we don’t fire him? He’s a guy who would be very much on the hot seat. No, desperation candidates only would join a guy unlikely to survive. The idea that we can keep him and rebuild a talented staff (even if he could manage them) Is equally, if not more, unrealistic.
13titles
October 31, 2023 at 06:51 pm
At least incompetent coordinators know that the flower won’t hold them accountable
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:21 pm
I'd think a bigger concern would be the dysfunction of the silos created by Mr We Are Not Idiots. Surely there's a reason no good coach has been willing to come here ...
packerfanroy
November 01, 2023 at 02:27 am
I'm guessing its the money....In fact I'm pretty sure it's the money.
We all know that Rizzi turned us down after being offered a cheap contract because MM decided that it was better to be cheap than good....Saved us $1 million or maybe $2 million and cost us a chance at a deep playoff run.... Jim Leonard turned us down for "some unknown reason" and Joe Barry sure seems like his history would make him cheap.... it's the money.... MLF probably threatened to walk if they didnt pony up for a good ST coach.
Which would be the stupidest thing to do since it automatically degrades all our other investments (draft picks, cap space) going into the roster. I'm all for not breaking the bank but imagine thinking that coaches arent worth the investment when the name of the trophy is Lombardi....
13titles
October 31, 2023 at 06:46 pm
Haha yes true, usually ones who are expecting to be drafted in a later round with high RAS and less football nouse
Untylu1968
October 31, 2023 at 05:01 pm
He's due! Calling it right now, two studs in the 3rd. O-Line and an RB. BOOK IT!!
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 05:42 pm
No year Seven for this clown. Move him on down the road...
BAMABADGER
October 31, 2023 at 08:24 pm
Guty’s 3rd round history is not good.
SinceLombardi
October 31, 2023 at 06:15 pm
Burks is playing well for SF. Makes you wonder if we have a shitty DC. Nah, couldn’t be.
Vachio
October 31, 2023 at 06:29 pm
Years from now, other DCs will look back on his defenses and wonder why they didn't have their DBs playing 10 yards off on 3rd and 3. It's just going to take time for the rest of the league to recognize the genius of it...
Dragon5
October 31, 2023 at 03:14 pm
Mentioned 2 years ago, sell high sending Douglas + Rodgers + Adams for essentially Surtain, 2 1sts, 2nd & filler. Just another woulda, coulda, shoulda fantasy given our inept management.
HawkPacker
October 31, 2023 at 03:16 pm
We sure didn't get much for Douglas especially if you consider the history of our 3rd round selections in the draft. Too bad. I will miss him. He did a very good job for us. I would think we would move Preston Smith next because of all the depth we have at that position.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 04:05 pm
He is the position. Gary is just a Designated rusher at the moment. Another contract given to his guy.
lkcsmith
November 01, 2023 at 07:15 am
"We sure didn't get much for Douglas"
Especially when you consider that the Bills will likely be picking at the bottom and the Packers at the top of each round, the 3rd round for us and the 5th rounder for the Bills will not be that far apart in the draft.
PackfanNY
October 31, 2023 at 03:25 pm
Rasul Douglas was a practice squad signing from Arizona. Getting a 3rd round pick for him is fine. This season is over. Let him go to a contender and got decent value.
Of course, Gute better start hitting on these draft picks.
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 03:42 pm
People need to make up their minds. Most of the people bitching about dealing him away are the same ones saying this is a dead-from-the-neck-up team and they should unload all vets for picks. Montez Sweat brought a 2nd (and it will be a high second)--that's about the highest compensation for a player I've seen today, and that's for a young ascending player at a premium position. Chase Young only brought a 3rd.
Douglas is a good player, but not a great one. He's almost 30. He probably wasn't a long-term Packer. This isn't a bad deal.
crayzpackfan
October 31, 2023 at 03:48 pm
dobber
You framed this perfectly.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 03:48 pm
I disagree- This secondary is hurting.
How many times should a GM be allowed to
keep drafting the secondary.
barutanseijin
October 31, 2023 at 04:05 pm
You would be bitching no matter what the deal.
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 04:13 pm
How is this a good Deal?
I'm sure they could have dumped his contract.
One way or the other. per $$$$$.
They lost a good player that gave them a Ins. Policy.
And age isn't the issue when we brought back
TRAMON WILLIAMS..........
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 04:20 pm
Oh good grief.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 05:50 pm
And whiffing on the picks, a majority of the time. Jaire was an All-Pro ,is he capable of returning to form?
Cwilly
October 31, 2023 at 03:48 pm
Gute drafting n 3rd round makes this bad.
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 04:39 pm
It's money in hand. Use it to move up. Use it to move down. But it's an asset they didn't have for a guy who wasn't the future.
PeteK
October 31, 2023 at 06:17 pm
I'll miss his solid tackling, but like the pick and the cap relief to get a O lineman.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:26 pm
You see it as a good thing.
I see it as utter insanity. What affect does it have on morale of the rest of the team? It's utterly capricious whether a good player gets a huge contract, or dumped as worthless trash. Who would want to play for an organization like that? Who would do their best?
Racingdad
October 31, 2023 at 06:27 pm
Nailed it sir
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 04:00 pm
Exactly, it's not like he dumped Jaire for a third rounder. Rasul is a decent pro. He wasn't going to be here next year. I enjoy posting here, but people have to realize that 200 people posting on a website is not reality.
I see the majority of the comments were starting from - It's the trade deadline, bust up the team, sell everyone...
to - OMG NOT RASUL!!!
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 04:21 pm
It's starting to sound like a college faculty meeting! ;)
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 05:12 pm
A great story. Gute finds him in the trash heap, he earns a decent contract. Life changing in fact. At 28, with the team a mess he gets the chance to play for a contender. If he eventually can transition to S eventually, he could still have a long career. He’s smart enough.
The one thing he proved less adept at than I expected was playing the nickel. We have a lot of outside guys they like longer term. If we were still thinking we were playing for something this wouldn’t happen, but it seems that illusion has burst even in Lambeau. That’s a vital precursor to stopping the nonsense LaFleur is serving up.
Packfansincebirth
October 31, 2023 at 04:32 pm
I don't know if people are upset that they traded Douglas; I think it's more about the details surrounding the trade. Yes, Douglas was plucked off a practice squad. However, he hasn't played like a practice squad player since he's been a Packer.
Bitternotsour, your argument is that they didn't dump Jaire for a third rounder. Correct, but the fact is Douglas has been playing better than Jaire AND, unlike Jaire, has been available to play every game and every snap. Then, to trade him AND a fifth rounder for a third round pick, which by and large has been a disastrous round for Gute picks, might be seen by some as the Packers giving up too much for too little return.
I guess we'll find out if this trade benefits future Packer teams.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 06:05 pm
Yes. Jaire is an all-pro. He's been hurt. He won't always be hurt. Douglas was a nice pick-up who would not be on the team next year.
Also, the draft is a crap shoot, recent draftees not withstanding. You hit, you miss. Are you advocating that we should have accepted a 4th round pick because we've had better luck in the 4th? This is the deal. We get salary off the books for a player that wasn't going to be the difference between getting in the playoffs or not getting in the playoffs (for us). Rasul wasn't all that effective as a slot corner, and we weren't ready to turn him into a safety (if that was even an option).
He's a great fit at Buffalo, he's a cold weather player, and they need help in the secondary. He might even pick up some playoff jing. Good on Rasul - I'll be pulling for him.
This is a win for all.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:30 pm
This move demonstrates that Gutey is a disgruntled employee, intentionally sabotaging the organization.
Tundraboy
October 31, 2023 at 04:44 pm
CHTV is not reality ?!
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 06:13 pm
I'm sorry honey. I'm a bot. This whole enterprise is driven by an AI conversation program. You didn't think Stockholder was an actual person, did you. That particular bot is from the eastern block, the English syntax is still really buggy, it was originally a haiku generator.
Even the articles on the site are AI, hence that phony picture of the douchey-looking Andy Herman. I mean, if that isn't a phony identity, I don't know what is. Sorry to red pill you.
dobber
October 31, 2023 at 06:29 pm
It's definitely not the most sincere pumpkin patch.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:27 pm
If Gutey blew it up and traded every vet I'd also hate that, but at least it would be an understandable strategy.
hobowilly
October 31, 2023 at 09:10 pm
Nope! It doesn't matter where/how/when GB acquired Rasul, it was a great move for him and the GB Packers. He was a superstar for them in '21, won't be forgotten and has proved himself to be "consistent" since then.
I agree with Nags, it's a cap hit move more likely, but what do you want to bet, GB won't be able to match Douglas's contributions for months & months. Productive CB's have proven hard to come by and most of us don't trust GB ability to pick a contributing one (STokes, Savage, etc.)
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:31 pm
That means it was a terrible move for this team.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 03:47 pm
I'm officially, and very loudly, reversing my position on Gutey. Recently I have said that he's not our biggest problem. Losing a fifth round pick AND #29 in exchange for a third round pick, which Gutey has NEVER done well with, only makes sense if he's blowing the team the kiss of death on his way out the door.
Alternatively, if he was "blowing it up," getting rid of every veteran player we've got because the kids aren't learning from them anyway? I'd hate that too, but at least one could make the case that it's a strategy.
This just shows that insane asylums should never have been shut down, and he should be committed for life. Fire him immediately. Fire him yesterday.
tobinrote
October 31, 2023 at 03:49 pm
so we unload the only guy who has shown up to play this year. great. the other messages got it right. look what we have scored with third round picks under the present regime. i wish Rasul well and he gets to go to a football team leaving the fussball team behind
Tundraboy
October 31, 2023 at 04:49 pm
Well if they keep trading the starters, they will finally have to play all the mismanaged and underutilized players nailed to the bench. And we can finally find out what we have . It will be like Preseason! And we get a higher pick at the end. Thanks Rasul good luck and thanks for showing up and playing like it matters!
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 06:08 pm
This entire season is an extension of the Summer Session.
Starrbrite
October 31, 2023 at 06:17 pm
“Playing like is matters”
is the best way to put it.
Father Guido Sarducci
October 31, 2023 at 03:57 pm
I’m crying in the sacramental wine. Now what will Joe Barry do? Good grief.
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 04:00 pm
Father, what did the grape say when the elephant sToMpEd on it?
Nothing, he just let out a little wine.
*Bless me father for I have sinned much lately...saying the Lord's name in vain on Packer Sundays...sorry 😕
Pantz
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 04:02 pm
This is the price a team pays for going all in (not once, not twice, but three last dances).
We danced with the devil for far too long.
*Rasul in Buffalo be like, I can actually play near or before the line to gain...NO, get the hell (sorry Father G) outta here!?!
Pantz
Father Guido Sarducci
October 31, 2023 at 04:35 pm
Give me a six pack of Carry The G beer and your sins will be forgiven.
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 05:24 pm
How many Our Fathers and Hail Marys?
Heyyy, I didn't know a man of the Cloth could consume alcohol, just during High Mass???
Tundraboy
October 31, 2023 at 08:52 pm
Maybe it's time to break out the rosary beads.
Father Guido Sarducci
October 31, 2023 at 07:21 pm
Staying sober during games has been rough and extremely difficult. God did turn water into wine. Beer was a close second. Developing hops and barley was tough during biblical times.
So drink up and enjoy.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:34 pm
That's quite the indulgence!
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 08:25 pm
I don't understand the downvotes, Pantz- you are 100% correct.
The cap issues we're facing today are the results of moves made up to 5 years ago in order to keep aging vets around a QB who demanded them.
Playing void year games and back loading contracts to keep the 'buddy crew' around Rodgers. We saw it then and called it out as it was happening.
This isn't a surprise. It's the band aid being ripped off.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 08:46 pm
paying the piper.
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 10:03 pm
Jealousy Oppy, that is the only reasonable explanation for my down votes. 😀
fireball
November 01, 2023 at 05:55 am
I like this.
Packak
October 31, 2023 at 04:04 pm
Well my gut reaction is I hate it. We trade one of the few guys playing with any attitude or motivation this season, and at a premium position too.
Clearly the brass have realized that we need whatever capital we can get for what’s now looking like a multi year rebuild. They’re absolutely correct, but it’s still depressing.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:37 pm
Selling off only this one player makes no sense. If that's the strategy, dump everyone. Blow it up.
This half-assed measure is stupidity itself. It destroys everyone who should be developing, telling them the best they can aspire to is worthless.
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 11:51 pm
Deadline trades aren’t that common. They got a decent price got him. I don’t like losing him but, I’m the long term, he wasn’t lifting this team to a CB point where it matters. We suck and it’s not getting fixed overnight. Douglass had more value now than he will in 2025. Just the realities of life with a young roster and coaching questions galore. They may have been open to other offers too but didn’t get any or not ones they considered hood enough.
Im not bent out of shape about this. It’s just a consequence of bring a visible mess with no apparent answers this far in. The positive side is that at least someone in Lambeau in authority is willing to face how bad we are, which means some feel the need for change. That seems like it should be a given, but I don’t think it was.
jont
October 31, 2023 at 04:14 pm
Here's a completely unsubstaniated rumor I don't want to believe.
Rasul was pretty vocal about his frustration over these loses and failure to improve, and now he's traded away.
Add in the Yosh on the bench speculation, and this is how a narrative starts to take shape.
Coldworld
October 31, 2023 at 05:14 pm
Tom saying the team aren’t being properly prepared each week is a little alarming too.
Vachio
October 31, 2023 at 06:39 pm
I'm not sure what is more alarming...the fact that what he said is plainly obvious to even the most casual observer or the fact that he actually said it publicly.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 06:18 pm
No one requires you to substantiate a rumor on this site. Just say the rumor with confidence.
Like this: I was chatting with Rob Demovski, and he tells me that Rasul was really letting the defensive staff have it since week two. The dam finally burst when he pushed his way into MLF's office without an appointment and Matt was having his eyebrows waxed.
Matt went right to Mark Murphy, and Mark told Gutekunst he had to cut Rasul loose.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 06:20 pm
Did you know that Rob is an excellent golfer? Near scratch.
Packerpasty
October 31, 2023 at 07:01 pm
I say that had a big part of it...he spoke out about this team and coaching and now he's gone..one of the few players who showed fire and passion for the game...the team is full of "meh" guys, starting with the QB...does he ever look like he has fire and passion??
gordon gekko
October 31, 2023 at 11:06 pm
You are probably on to something since at the time and place this makes absolutely no sense. Also ask A-Rod how Gutey handled his whole situation?? Like an emotional little middle school girl would....he´s reached the edge of his Peter Principal
bleedgreen
October 31, 2023 at 04:26 pm
I expect to see Rasul excel in Buffalo similar to the Micah Hyde fiasco. I dont disagree with being sellers now and stocking up on draft picks. But not sure if a late 3rd pick is enough for a talented player like Rasul. One of our few guys who seemed to play with some intensity. What I dont want is this FO in charge of rebuilding this team. We need really good talent evaluators that will draft good football players not project athletes. I don't trust Gutenkunst or his scouting staff to make the right picks. They need to be replaced. They have demonstrated bad drafting for 4 or 5 years now.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 06:15 pm
Seven Years...
Packers0808
October 31, 2023 at 04:41 pm
Rasul got what he wanted out of the FULL ON SHIT SHOW!
stockholder
October 31, 2023 at 04:52 pm
The laughingstock of the NFL now.
CBS grade C-
BruceC1960
October 31, 2023 at 05:18 pm
Well, if CBS says it, that must be true. You should be thrilled. This just gives you more ammo for your inspirational uplifting posts each day. Maybe get you off Rodgers for a bit?
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 06:19 pm
The CBS writer's pro football coverage is exemplary.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 06:22 pm
well there you go. I've been told the CBS writers are in the bag for east coast teams, and that all writers are practiced in the dark arts of click bait.
but you do you.
LeotisHarris
October 31, 2023 at 09:32 pm
CBS writers hate this one simple trick. You're not going to believe it!
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 09:59 pm
wait, is there more?
pantz_bURp
October 31, 2023 at 05:21 pm
USA Today: Green Bay Packers: A
Come on Stock, you are better than this! I believe in you!
Fancy Pantz
Via.Lombardi
October 31, 2023 at 05:24 pm
Best news all day -- 3rd Round pick for a practice squad pick-up. TAKE IT! As it stands today: 5 picks in the Top 100 in the 2024 Draft --- one R1, two R2, and two R3. Let him pair up with Micah Hyde. Hey, it's a REBUILD year, so you can't be that surprised a trade went through today.
SinceLombardi
October 31, 2023 at 06:21 pm
It doesn’t matter that he came via the practice squad. He proved himself, and a low 3rd round pick isn’t adequate. Especially from a contender that has a ton of injuries in the defensive backfield.
fireball
November 01, 2023 at 05:59 am
Right on. Well said.
PhantomII
November 01, 2023 at 08:59 pm
I cannot remember the last packer DB that had a couple pick sixes. He was easy to find on a practice squad in AZ, but he showed he can play...Consistently, which is more than most have done.
PackAttack4155
October 31, 2023 at 05:32 pm
Trade the best, and healthiest, defensive back on the roster this season for a draft pick in a round this front office can't properly find talent in? And give up a fifth-rounder? Not great stuff here.
[email protected]
October 31, 2023 at 05:38 pm
Rasul was an ascending player who knew his job and worked at it. His attitude toward the game assured his progress. Sure, it was hard to see him go, but we got a 3d for him. At the end of this year he would have left and we would have been empty handed. Good luck, Rasul. Enjoyed your play while you were here.
My God, we're a few games into a bad start that may well turn into a lost season and the hounds are baying for the blood of anyone in management. Whining sycophants who see themselves as the spokesmen for what ought to be. You should have been around when we were hiring ex-players. Star was loved as a player and respected for his efforts as a coach, but after that it was downhill for a lot of years. Then there were ND rejects etc. The seasons of anguish felt endless....
Get a grip on your feelings and support your team. Management has enough anguish without outside contributions..Carry the G
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 06:25 pm
Maybe the three pick can take over for Rhyan?
13titles
October 31, 2023 at 06:55 pm
Or Kraft…
Starrbrite
October 31, 2023 at 06:33 pm
Some good points David, but at the moment, no is feeling sorry for management.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:43 pm
We didn't get a third for Rasul, Gutey threw away a fifth too. You might have heard about that, it was in the news and everything.
Yes it's better than cutting him outright and getting nothing in return, but barely.
canadapacker
October 31, 2023 at 05:53 pm
Nobody on the other NFC north teams made anything worthwhile - underperformers for underperformers. I believe that the Packers got an underperformer because we always pick an underperformer in the 3rd round. All in all we have probably a discipline leadership problem on this team and if the reports are true - that Douglas was trying to be a team leader - then of course Lafleur was OK with getting rid of him. What else is new. PS Dobbs lost his job in AZ, Sweat wasnt sweating it much in Washington and Pjones - only 8 catches this year.
KKB
October 31, 2023 at 06:07 pm
Joe Barry has killed our secondary.
Jaire, Stokes, and Savage all regressed. He forced Coach Gray out of town.
Sul was the emotional leader of the defense. Now he is gone.
It seems to me that anyone who disagrees with Barry is gone!
If only Barry was as good as he (and MLF) thinks he is!
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 08:20 pm
Did Savage regress? I don't think Savage has ever proven to be anything more than a par to sub par player who sparingly flashed but never really put it together.
I didn't like it when they extended him at all. I thought they should have let him walk.
Jaire is injured. Not regressed.
You can't say Stokes regressed, he's been off the field.
jannesbjornson
October 31, 2023 at 09:24 pm
He made plays on the ball and ran slot-blitzes under Pettine. Barry has neutered this high buck backfield.
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Savage had a 4 game streak where he flashed. That's about it.
With a "period."
hobowilly
October 31, 2023 at 09:19 pm
Re: Barry. Do you recall who MLF's first choice was for DC? It was the HC of the Badgers!
he did not accept the offer, but I"m still shaking my head, why would a college HC necessarily be a good DC @ the NFL level having never coached in the NFL? Then, it became clearer: oh, one of his friends with about a 33% success rate as a defensive coach in the NFL and MLF picked him ( Joe Barry). For the love of all 12 Disciples, plus Mary & Joseph!
packerfanroy
October 31, 2023 at 06:11 pm
Horrible trade.... This team has reeked of having a dysfunctional corporate mind set towards the football side of things for years now and the way they jettison guys that actually show leadership and results just reinforces that view for me. MM is a stone around the neck of the GBP football team. Leadership and chemistry dont have value in the corporate world because you can't put it on a spreadsheet...judging from the last few years those things dont have value in GB for the same reason. Management keeps getting rid of talent for cost saving potential especially if that talent tries to let the execs know what they are getting wrong(team members gotta stay in their lane in the business world). The results have been predictably underwhelming. Management then blames under performing team members but points to an increase in some number on a spread sheet as the reason to keep operating the same way....
FIRE MARK MURPHY!!!!!!! FIRE MARK MURPHY!!!!!!
KKB
October 31, 2023 at 06:12 pm
GUTEY = Ringmaster of the $hit Show.
Starrbrite
October 31, 2023 at 06:21 pm
Douglas reminds me of Jamal Williams in his energy and likeability. They were both steady players that helped the team.
Go Packers!!!
Tundraboy
October 31, 2023 at 08:59 pm
Jamaal was solid and a great teammate that imo also helped keep Jones healthy and it was clearly a mistake to let him go
Titletown is great but the product on the field has to come first.
PhantomII
October 31, 2023 at 09:51 pm
Great example...Sometimes you find certain players that just lift UP the entire team. It's hard to exist without a HEART BEAT...These players provided. Having good management is knowing these things before you make a mistake....Yeah, we have some problems in GB.
Packerpasty
October 31, 2023 at 07:03 pm
He's probably the happiest guy on the planet today...getting away from the shit show...he spoke his mind about this team and off he goes..
Packerpasty
October 31, 2023 at 07:04 pm
if you want to make a splash and get draft picks trade Jones....they dont use him correctly anyway...
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:48 pm
Too late.
Gutey didn't blow it up, he didn't come close to a sensible strategy.
ImaPayne
October 31, 2023 at 07:38 pm
Wish him well. Probably ser an example: start bitching about the reality of this org and your gone or bench sitting.
BruceC1960
October 31, 2023 at 08:16 pm
Commanders got a 3rd round pick for Chase Young a high 1st round pick.
Bitternotsour
October 31, 2023 at 08:32 pm
The 2nd overall pick. Just goes to show...
HawkPacker
November 01, 2023 at 09:07 am
That's perfect for a team in good CAP standing.
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 08:18 pm
I was surprised by this move.
Only thing I can figure is the bills came in looking, and the Packers decided a 3rd rounder will help them move up in the 1st (especially since the Rodgers pick fell through).
I could see the Packers deciding they'd want to move up into the first for a second dip to grab a LT or a CB to restock the shelves now that Stokes is basically completely out of the question.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 31, 2023 at 10:50 pm
Draft won't affect anything until next year. Why is Stokes out of the picture next year?
Oppy
October 31, 2023 at 11:32 pm
Whatever he did to himself, he got IR'd after 4 special teams snaps after being sidelined for a year. Another leg injury for a guy who's game is speed. If he is ready to play next season, he will still be trying to find his way back into the groove, and will have lost a year and a half of game development opportunity to injury out of his first 3 seasons. This is leading into year 4, a year where the Packers will have to decide if they will pay big-time dollars to Stokes on a 5th year option extension.. in a year the packers are probably still trying to be shrewd with their cap dollars.
I would love for Stokes to work out in Green Bay, but it doesn't seem likely.
hobowilly
November 02, 2023 at 10:47 am
Honestly, i was expecting GB to possibly select an Olineman early this last April. Moreover, when Hackett left and Stenavich became OC things started to unravel for the offense. QB coach Getsy also left as QB coach/passing coord. Mr. Rodgers sustained a broken thumb last year and it affected GB not getting to the playoffs! Enter a new QB who can't see the field very well and still has trouble throwing all the types of NFL level throws.
No one could anticipate GB's two all pro Olinemen to go down early this year, but come on, they knew Bachitari's health was very fragile. That's on Gutey as there's no way Steno & staff plus the sawbones didn't inform both Gutey & MLF. Meyers has been going continually downhill as Mr. Tom is their only consistent Olinemen these days.
Qoojo
October 31, 2023 at 08:48 pm
Shitty trade all around. I liked him.
PhantomII
October 31, 2023 at 09:45 pm
Really Happy for you Rasul. You'll be with our other mistake TT made at Safety in Buffalo. I'm sure you will be a Pro Bowler or All Pro in no time....away from GB. God Speed...It's been great watching you do your thing. I always pull for players I like. Enjoy Buffalo...Good Luck this season.
calabasa
October 31, 2023 at 10:40 pm
Trading one player is cleaning house? Damn, we suck at tanking, too.
Waypack
October 31, 2023 at 10:45 pm
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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
November 01, 2023 at 01:01 am
It was to be a rebuild year, so there shouldn't be many surprises. Don't get all the anger and frustration. Over recent years the Packers front office tried threading the needle by shooting for the SB all while drafting for the future. It didn't work and the Packers are in a tough spot right now. My opinion...more needs to be done for the rebuild. We will see some big name veterans shuttled this upcoming off-season. 2024 will be about getting back to respectability, while 2025 the Packers should be neck deep in the playoffs if they fully commit to rebuilding now.
packerfanroy
November 01, 2023 at 02:51 am
The whole "We are gonna go all in for the SB AND rebuild for the future" was the stupidest thing I ever heard...corporate minded buzz word, PR stunt meant to appease the fans and nothing else. In the dictionary they use that statement as an example of what an oxymoron it... In the NFL you can try for the SB/deep playoff run OR you can be doing a rebuild/reload. The Packers FO came out and said we are gonna do both and then wondered why nobody else in the NFL ever thought of just winning the SB and doing a rebuild at the same time...
dark41
November 01, 2023 at 04:15 am
An injury settlement with Bakhtiari and paying Douglas makes much more sense to me. Nothing against David, who has played well when available but we cannot count upon him to be healthy anymore. This leaves a big hole at CB/depth for this year and the immediate future.
PhantomII
November 01, 2023 at 05:59 am
Thanks Gute, now we will be drafting defense...AGAIN, instead of a premium OL. Genius....
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
November 01, 2023 at 11:44 am
Phantom,
While I admittedly was shocked the Packers drafted Van Ness vs an OL in round 1 this year, I would be doubly shocked and fall over if Gutey didn't take an OL in round 1 in 2024. If it isn't an OL it had better be a top tier DL who specializes stopping the run.
PhantomII
November 01, 2023 at 08:49 pm
I hope so because we need a new LT / Center and RG. I hope our CAP room is pretty high cause we need those 3 minimum to start 2024. Plus possibly a different Safety and now starting CB. You could throw the #3 pick in the trash with as much as has been shown from that trade spot in GB in over a decade. I am still holding out hope in Kraft though. The Raiders are cleaning out their Coaching staff and GM as we speak. I'm good with drafting the LT in round 1, but the rest need filled from FA or Love will struggle again in 24'.
DocHoliday
November 01, 2023 at 11:30 am
Going to miss Rasul!!!!
No more zone coverage. Douglas was one who actually played it well. The rest of the secondary has not been good at it. If Barry doesn't change against the Rams, fire him and let Williams audition the rest of the season as the DC.
Time for Smith, Alexander, Gary, and the proven NFL players on defense to be very angry and vocal in every practice and keep it up in the locker room. Taunt the hell out of the offense and dare them to play like they belong in the NFL. Anyone on offense who doesn't step up and do their job (block someone, block the right person, run the right route, catch the ball, throw good passes on time, no more drive killing penalties, etc) doesn't have the heart to belong in the NFL.