Packers pending free agents: Who stays, who goes?
Aaron looks at some of the roster decisions facing Brian Gutekunst with free agency fast approaching.
By PackerAaron
What do you think? Who stays and who goes? Let us know in the comments.
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Comments (100)
OnWisconsinGoPack
January 21, 2020 at 11:01 am
For Free Agents, think you're spot on with those key players mentioned. I think Tramon is offered a one year deal with no guarantees and a possible camp casualty given Chandon played well and Hollman showed a lot of promise last year. Also, if no key injuries happen either.
Can't wait for the non-FA piece that looks at cuts/trades as I think there are a couple there too (Graham/Lancaster)
dobber
January 21, 2020 at 01:27 pm
Lancaster doesn't have a contract for 2020 and will be an ERFA. He can just walk if the Packers aren't interested, but he didn't cost hardly anything anyway.
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 07:11 am
For EFRA prices, they should keep Lancaster at the same time they go through the offseason hoping to reduce his role, even to the point of eliminating it. He's the perfect example of a guy you can keep but want to improve.
Paul_from_Scotland
January 21, 2020 at 10:54 am
Great point on Martinez. Some less well run teams will look at this Tackle stats and want to pay him much more than he is worth to GB. He would also be a boost from a fan's perspective for his new team. 'Ooh - this new guy is in my IDP fantasy team and gets me loads of points - he must be good!'.
Good luck to him - seems like a good guy.
Looking at cap space, I worry that the Packers won't be able to offer Bulaga more than, say $4.5m which is Lane Taylor's cap space if he is released. Will that be enough to keep him around?!?!?!?
OnWisconsinGoPack
January 21, 2020 at 11:02 am
I think Bulaga was making $9M this year, but with Aaron's restructure and potentially cap casualty like Graham, space shouldn't be an issue
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:38 pm
Someone will pay Bulaga 10-12 M / year. I would draft an OT from the first or second round this draft. There is quality at the OT spot and WR. The idea of Lindsley moving on seems logical.
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 08:30 am
If they are going multi-year, Bulaga needs to give some back in average or accept a no guarantee deal. I'm good with $10 mil on a year by year basis. But I don't want to rob from future cap to pay him this year.
jeremyjjbrown
January 21, 2020 at 01:06 pm
Yeah, not an issue. Even if they have to pay him his 2019 salary it should be fine.
OnWisconsinGoPack
January 21, 2020 at 11:02 am
I think Bulaga was making $9M this year, but with Aaron's restructure and potentially cap casualty like Graham, space shouldn't be an issue
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Remember, Bhaktiari's contract is up after 2020. You would assume he would be the priority re-sign at the OT spot.
TheKanataThrilla
January 21, 2020 at 11:28 am
I think Linsley gets cut. With a $10.5M cap hit next season and a $2M dead cap hit for cutting him that frees up enough to get Bulaga signed. We either try and fill the Center position with guys on the roster or we draft one.
jeremyjjbrown
January 21, 2020 at 01:10 pm
Linsley is a cut target to me as well. I think Lucas Patrick is just as good and a lot cheaper. Patrick and 5.6 million more cap to spend on impact Free Agents sounds pretty good.
splitpea1
January 21, 2020 at 11:13 am
The only thing about letting Martinez go is that the Packers will then need two inside backers. We'll need to hope they pick a blue chip stud in the draft who can perform right away and stay healthy, and another one with experience not only to upgrade the position, but to provide some insurance. We really don't have anybody else, do we, except for special teams players?
sonomaca
January 21, 2020 at 12:13 pm
There aren’t going to be any blue chip studs in the draft at #30. What’s more, there aren’t many free agents. There’s Cory Littleton and...there’s Cory Littleton. How much money do have for him, because you ain’t getting to the SB without him.
So, we would have:
P. Smith
Z. Smith
K. Clark
D. Lowry
R. Gary
A. Amos
D. Savage
C. Littleton
P. Queen
K. King
J. Alexander
Plus great depth in KeKe, Greene, Campbell, Sullivan, Holman, Summers, etc...
Now, the coach is another question. Do we have someone who can keep up with the boy geniuses who run the NFL?
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:41 pm
Campbell is nothing special. The idea of SS playing rover has seen its time. Draft two ILBs a DE and a CB. Pick up a FA ILB . Littleton is big money expended. Might as well try to bag Amari Cooper and go all-in with the offense.
jeremyjjbrown
January 21, 2020 at 01:13 pm
Yeah, while I like the idea of Littleton I agree to spend the money on an impact receiver if possible. The chances of finding a rookie ILB who can play in year 1 is a lot better than finding a WR. Most WRs just take too long to develop.
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 01:47 pm
Joe Schobert is a good choice at ILB has good coverage ability and makes the splash plays Blake can’t
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 02:20 pm
Shobert was taken in front of Martinez round four. Ted didn't move up. I concur, he is a more complete ILB.
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 02:41 pm
And he’s from Wisconsin so win win
splitpea1
January 21, 2020 at 03:13 pm
There are a few ILBs projected to go in the first three rounds (including another one from Stanford), but to be honest, that's the extent of my knowledge. I like descriptions such as "undersized, but with play-making ability; I do not like descriptions such as "very athletic, but poor instincts to play at the NFL level." We're going to be taking somebody, and I just hope it's somebody ready to contribute and not another developmental player.
ILPackerBacker
January 21, 2020 at 12:30 pm
Wrong.
The packers already need 2 IN LB
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 07:38 am
I agree that the entire ILB unit is a disaster. Years of neglect, that really date back to the Wolf era, have taken their toll. I think it is so bad that they need to simply roll the dice and get started with that over haul. Martinez and Goodson are replacement level players that have been around long enough to think they won't be able to improve. So they might as well replace them instead of re-signing them. You don't improve by retaining replacement level players that have no upside.
I would say a FA and a draft pick and both need to be able to run. I'd be ok with more. Summers, Bolton, UDFAs and Burks competing for the last 2 spots would be fine by me, tho. That's not an exciting competition but at least there is the possibility of improvement from that group.
NitschkeFan
January 21, 2020 at 11:20 am
They don't have Bulaga's replacement on the roster. So if they do not re-sign him it will create another hole on the roster. I would love to see him acknowledge his age and injury history and take a home town discount on a 1 year deal but i know that may be wishful thinking.
Mason Crosby, once again hope he takes a reasonable home town "discount" where he gets well paid but doesn't max out his possible deal.
Tramon Williams may have some gas left in the tank as a backup DB but at his age I wouldn't sign him to anything but a very cap-friendly number.
Goodbye to Martinez, Allison, Graham, Lewis, Lane Taylor. This assumes the market for Martinez is too rich. If they could sign him for a "reasonable" number I think he is still a very useful player, just not elite or even close to elite.
Leatherhead
January 21, 2020 at 12:05 pm
I think that Turner was signed to eventually play right tackle.
dblbogey
January 21, 2020 at 12:16 pm
Well, he wasn't much good at Guard.
stockholder
January 21, 2020 at 12:26 pm
Turner was signed to move over from RG. I'd keep him at RG! Bulaga can be replaced faster then RG. Don't over -pay that RT position. Williams signed 2yrs 5 mil a year. If Bulaga is signed. 5 mil. is a gift.
Big_Mel_75
January 21, 2020 at 01:43 pm
You must not watch football these days? Your RT needs to be just as good as your LT these days are rushers switch sides and positions. Look what we do with D Smith? Saying that we can just throw anyone out there is crazy talk. Remember we traded up for Jason Spriggs. He was awful. Guards are easier then tackles. Many college tackles have to move inside because playing Tackle in the NFL is tough business.
fordguy
January 21, 2020 at 02:59 pm
Bulaga can be replaced faster then RG. Don't over -pay that RT position
Quite possibly the dumbest comment I've ever read.
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 07:48 am
It's not crazy talk to suggest they can find someone cheap to make it through 2020. Look at Veldheer. They found him for next to nothing and he held up just fine when pressed to duty. If they are willing to roll the dice on an ancient warrior at RT, they might just win that roll while they try to develop a mid-round draftee.
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:43 pm
Why was Bulaga drafted as a # One pick in 2010?
dobber
January 21, 2020 at 01:31 pm
He was originally listed as the top OT in the draft, but questions about his ability to play on the left side pushed him down the board. He was a good pick where the Packers got him. They desperately needed depth at tackle as Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher were pretty beat up.
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 02:22 pm
Right, he was drafted to fill the RT spot for ten years and now his replacement is waiting in round one or two.
fordguy
January 21, 2020 at 03:11 pm
I think if Veldheer would come back as a backup is a great option. He's not the future but he proved that he's plug and play because when he started against the Seahawks, I didn't have any complaints given he found out he was starting a hour before the game.
ShooterMcGee
January 21, 2020 at 02:29 pm
Veldheer is on the roster and take his spot at only a third of the cost. As long as he doesn't decide to retire again.
dobber
January 21, 2020 at 03:10 pm
Veldheer has had his own injury problems over the course of his career.
hobowilly
January 21, 2020 at 11:36 pm
what's upsetting to me is that Burks could never make it on the field and when he was cleared this season he was essentially relegated to ST's which was dismal. He should be gone. Yes, discount on Bulaga if he'll take it, it's worth a try from FO. Crosby is a keeper in my book, he consistently delivers on outdoor natural grass in tricky conditions...personally, i think he could get more $ elsewhere. Graham gone, probably Allison, but let's also not forget EQ was put on season ending IR...he'll be back hungry!
NO, GB did not make a mistake by not drafting a WR in 2019-don't think MVS is through either. Lewis emerged as a player, McCarthy (again) had no clue how to use him as he didn't with one: Aaron Jones. We will definately see more of Sternberger...predicting he will progress into a better than avg TE. Hats off to AR for giving him a big thrill of his life!
The biggest need IMHO coming in to 2019 was to have a compliment to Martinez, that was GB's biggest weakness during the season and it showed up big time in the NFCCG; I have a lot of faith in Gutey & Co. as well as mlf to shore up the middle. Burks gone please! Coaches: Mennega should be gone too, so i'm adding that to the subject!
4zone
January 22, 2020 at 10:37 am
Graham goes but I would re-sign Lewis. He will be affordable and is a great blocker still.
Lphill
January 21, 2020 at 11:42 am
I agree with nitchkefan I would only keep Martinez for a reasonable price but we still need an all around do it all linebacker.
ricky
January 21, 2020 at 11:43 am
Why not start with the guy the Packers need to re-sign, Kenny Clark? The guy is young and has gotten better every year.
Paul_from_Scotland
January 21, 2020 at 11:57 am
- 5th Year Option then Franchise Tag is possible with Clark.
It would surely risk pi$$ing off a Key player but I'm not sure they have much option. The cap space situation is pretty dire.
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:47 pm
They have leverage with his fifth year option. No need to hurry it along.
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 08:27 am
Anytime between now and the start of TC is fine by me to extend Clark. But I definitely consider that a priority of this off season.
Turophile
January 21, 2020 at 10:33 pm
Who they keep and who they let go ties in closely with who their draft targets are.
They could let Martinez go and pay the BIG bucks for a quality coverage ILB like Littleton (Rams) who has played so well (he was originally an undrafted FA) that he would get a contract maybe at $14m pa, having been paid just $3m for a one year 2019 deal with the Rams. Their cap situation means they can't really afford to pay a jump in salary like that. If you were to pair Littleton with a solid 3rd round draft choice like Markus Bailey (Purdue) or Evan Weaver (California) who can be a Martinez clone going forward, you could finally see two quality ILBs for Green Bay.
At WR we all could see that a better no.2 WR was needed to pair with Adams. I'd spend a first or second round draft pick there for a starter-level guy, either on the outside or in the slot.
In fact, at this time, my first 5 draft picks for the Packers would be something like 1) WR Laviska Shenault or Jaelen Reagor, 2) DL Justin Madubuike or Ross Blacklock, 3) ILB Evan Weaver, 4) G Ben Bredeson and 5) TE Colby Parkinson. Add a late round RB, QB, DE, CB, and there is your draft.
stockholder
January 21, 2020 at 12:09 pm
At WR we all could see that a better no.2 WR was needed to pair with Adams. I'd spend a first or second round draft pick----- I would too. Spread the field and respect the Offense. Picking Defense early would be a big mistake. They have to pay Defense! Draft Offense this year.
mrtundra
January 22, 2020 at 08:29 am
At WR I could see a speedy guy drafted there. Someone like Hamler out of Penn St or a Jalen Reagor, who could be used as a return guy on STs. Also, I could see a guy like Jauan Jennings late in the draft, as a 6th or 7th round pick. He'd be our new sleeper WR that everyone else overlooked.
stockholder
January 21, 2020 at 12:11 pm
Clean House. Sorry- We got the most out of Crosby. Forget it. Those misses in Detroit still are in my mind! Artificial turf?? The guy can't get it in the end zone on kick-offs. Bulaga - Can he stay on the Field. NOOOO. Can he hold speed rushers NOOOO. Can he battle? Yes- For how long?. He cannot be counted on. Williams- Thanks, but try coaching! Graham- Taylor, and Allison. Too many chances. To many disappointments. Lewis and Kumerow. Camp bodies. Martinez., Goodson. - Sorry but the heart of this defense needs a new Transplant.
dblbogey
January 21, 2020 at 12:20 pm
Bulaga missed one game this year, due to illness. He's averaged 12 games a year, even including the one year he missed completely. Re-sign Bulaga if the price is at all within reason. I don't understand all the hate on Bulaga. He's good, he plays through injuries, and we have nobody to replace him.
stockholder
January 21, 2020 at 12:39 pm
It's a 16 game schedule. He can't be counted on. When things get old, their described as Tired. Ready for the bone yard. I loved his service. But this team has to get younger. It 's the best way to avoid key injuries. Over paying the RT position, will hurt any chances to make this team better. This is a business, not a charitable institution.
jannesbjornson
January 21, 2020 at 12:52 pm
Pretty fair assessment, but I would definitely retain Crosby. Hard to find a clutch guy used to the weather.
chetangaonkar
January 21, 2020 at 02:25 pm
Yes, while we are at it lets trade Rodgers and fire Leflauer. Let's hire a college coach and draft a QB.
While at it lets just delete this franchise mode and restart the game.
PackfanNY
January 21, 2020 at 12:11 pm
Graham, Taylor, Martinez, Allison should all be gone. Tramon and Mason Crosby should be brought back on fair and reasonable deals. Lewis still adds value as a blocking TE and is a leader with a very reasonable cap hit. I’d bring him back for one more year.
Bulaga is the one question mark. I think they have to find a reasonable deal. They need to stick to that number. If Bulaga thinks he can do better you may need to let him see if he can get it. His injury history and availability are always an issue and he ain’t getting younger. Just have to wait and see what happens.
Possible Surprise cuts might be Lancaster (we should aim higher), Montravious Adams (where is he?), Josh Jackson (what’s the plan there?), Oren Burke (giving us nothing).
Rak43
January 22, 2020 at 12:45 am
One of the first guys I believe they should get rid of is Corey Linsley and his 12million cap hit along with his veteran's minimum ability. In the times he missed this year, when he wasn't getting rag dolled, pancaked, bulldozed, turnstiled, or driving snaps into his own crotch he was severely outplayed by Lucas Patrick who showed toughness and grit with an ability to get the job done. I would argue there is no way any perceived discrepancies in talent can possibly justify the enormous difference in pay. Dump Linsley and draft another G/C in the draft and use Linsley's 10million in cap savings on other younger better players. Linsley is nowhere near worth 12 million a year.
Leatherhead
January 21, 2020 at 12:11 pm
I’m apparently in the minority, but I think the defense was much improved this year and I think it’s crazy to take our leading tackler away and HOPE we can draft a better replacement. I also don’t see why we’re so obsessed with a coverage linebacker when we just got run over by the most yards in NF L history
We should add a DE who will help stop the run. We should get an ILB to help Martinez.
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 02:29 pm
So don’t upgrade just get a guy that can cover his ass...? Let me stop busting your chops on Blake because I don’t want him to leave but if he’s going to try and get elite ILB money then he has to go because to ask for that money you have to what elite ILBs do now if he takes a hometown discount than I definitely think him a Schobert make for an excellent tandem and maybe have someone like Kenneth Murray (Oklahoma) behind him. The Packers make a move for a Javon Hargrove I think what he brings also takes pressure of KC which also masks Dean Lowry’s relative averageness.
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 02:42 pm
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Guam
January 21, 2020 at 03:11 pm
More importantly than what either you or I think, it is becoming increasingly clear that the Packer FO is not high on resigning Martinez. The Packers generally resign players they want to keep well before they get to free agency. Martinez was quoted yesterday as saying neither he nor his agent have heard much from the Packers about a new contract so there are apparently no discussions happening. That sounds like they are letting him test free agency with a high likelihood of losing him.
I would love to know what the plan is to replace him, but it sounds like Martinez will not be in a Packer uniform next year unless the rest of the league doesn't want him either (i.e. bargain basement price).
I do agree that whoever we have at ILB next year, we need more defensive line help. Lancaster and Lowery should be backups and M. Adams needs to be gone.
wildbill
January 22, 2020 at 04:20 am
Matthews didn’t hear anything either so he is probably gone. I like
Martinez but he has limitations but his effort and heart are top notch but just wish he was a step faster
RCPackerFan
January 21, 2020 at 12:25 pm
My thoughts on most of the FA's.
Have to resign:
-Mason Crosby. To me this is the biggest FA they have to resign.
Hope they resign/thinking they likely will:
-Bryan Bulaga, IOWA. He has been great this year. I think they resign him IF his price is right.
Would like to see them resign/dont' think they will:
-Blake Martinez. Martinez is a really good LB. He has flaws but many do. I think he will get more money elsewhere.
I would like to see them return and have no clue if they will:
-Tramon Williams. Age? I'd like him back. He played well this year and didn't show any regression. Provides leadership.
-Marcedes Lewis. I don't know if they will move on from him, but I would like to see him return.
-Ibraheim Campbell. He will be another year removed from his torn acl. He could be a really good player to have back.
-Jared Veldheer. Regardless of if they resign Bulaga or not, if they can get Veldheer to come back and be the backup OT, that is a huge win in the offseason. He may like the idea of being more of a backup to hold up longe?
-Tyler Ervin. He was a really good fit in this offense, and added juice as a return man. I would like to see him have an offseason with the team.
-Danny Vitale. He is a good fit for the offense.
Bring back cheap?
-Kyler Fackrell? I don't know. Let him go, but I would consider bringing him back on a minimum deal.
Time to let go:
-Geronimo Allison. His time is done. He needs to go.
-BJ Goodson. He just didn't add anything to the defense. He is good in the box but that is about it. Time to upgrade.
AgrippaLII
January 21, 2020 at 04:38 pm
The three best FA inslde linebackers as I see it are Martinez,Littleton,and Shobert. If the Packers don't land one of them our defense just got worse!
mrtundra
January 22, 2020 at 08:32 am
BJ Goodson had his best game as a Packer in the NFCCG. He looked pretty good, but maybe because everyone else did not look good.
TarynsEyes
January 21, 2020 at 12:34 pm
The Packers are not winning the SB next year or the next.
I'm willing to trade Rodgers now for every draft pick we can get. I'll draft the best players that FIT into the holes we know are there, sign a top FA, re-sign those we must keep and start Boyle next season with full knowledge we won't go better than 4-12 and then use every draft pick+ to get Trevor Lawrence.
I don't see the point in keeping Rodgers to the detriment of being able to rebuild/restock with better talent now and get a head start for the next QB instead of finding band aids to appease those who believe Rodgers is what he once was or fool themselves thinking he still can be.
If the FO really wants this team to thrive in the next ten+ seasons, the time is now to capitalize on trading Rodgers. Accept the reality of what's best for tomorrow because Rodgers tomorrows have been played out at least for what GB needs or wants going forward.
Duneslick
January 21, 2020 at 01:14 pm
They can't trade Rodgers for several years. All of his bonus money that is deferred immediately is applied to the cap. were are talking about 70 million or more. Bonus money in a contract does not go to the other team in a trade. We are stuck with him and his contract for several years even if we wanted to trade.
TarynsEyes
January 21, 2020 at 01:24 pm
Then I guess Gute really screwed the team with that unnecessary extension and yet he'll be praised for doing a good job with band aid fixes and basement player moves that won't move the team forward.
Here come the 70's and 80's once again and for sure in two years.
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 02:16 pm
What is wrong with you? Basement player fixes is TT constantly giving the Packers UDFA to use Gutekunst has filled the roster with quality starters have all his draft picks been jewels no but I’m willing to give him a pass seeing as everyone from the 2015 draft is either on another team or out of the league.
albert999
January 21, 2020 at 02:12 pm
Ur smokin crack
TarynsEyes
January 21, 2020 at 02:14 pm
Never did a drug in my life but you obviously do and likely often.
NMPF
January 21, 2020 at 04:21 pm
Very sad that your football ignorance is natural and not chemical related.
4thand1
January 21, 2020 at 05:37 pm
boooyah!
Tundraboy
January 22, 2020 at 02:26 am
Maybe you should try some of the lighter ones. Aaron Jones is fine.
[email protected]
January 21, 2020 at 03:29 pm
Amen ! LOL . Rodgers is the reason most Free Agents consider Green Bay .
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 09:27 am
Count me out on the galatically stupid idea of swallowing a $45 mil cap hit to trade Rodgers.
dobber
January 21, 2020 at 01:35 pm
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/01/lions-packers-matthew-stafford
I'd bring Lewis back if he'll take a deal comparable to what he signed this season.
jeremyjjbrown
January 21, 2020 at 02:04 pm
I was playing with overthecap.com and this was what I did.
Cuts: Jimmy Graham, Corey Linsley to save 16.4 million in cap. Patrick can take over at C and some swatch of field paint can do whatever Jimmy Graham does.
Resigns: Bulaga 2 years 18 mil; Tramon 1 year 2.5 million; Crosby 3 years 12 mil; Veldheer 1 year 3.5 million; Lazard UDFA 585,000; Tonyan UDFA 660,000; Sullivan UDFA 585,000; Vitale 2 years 2 million.
Cap Space for FAs: 26.8 million
Maybes: Martinez at 5 million a year, generous singing bonus is fine (but someone will overpay on total); Lewis at 1 year 1 million
Free Agents Targets: Amari Cooper or Robby Anderson at 15 million a season; Bears Linebacker Pierre-Louis 2-3 million a season
Notes: I was looking at WalterFootball and it says "Blake Martinez is an excellent coverage linebacker" LOL
It would be cool if others would try it and post as well.
Tundraboy
January 21, 2020 at 01:57 pm
"...some swatch of field paint can do whatever Jimmy Graham does."
Lmfao. Thanks for helping me feel better!
packergal
January 21, 2020 at 02:26 pm
Jeremy,
Agree on Graham and Linsley but not on Bulaga.
If Kwiatkowski on "dabearsstillsuck" is affordable, he is an excellent target for Pack.
NickPerry
January 22, 2020 at 04:26 am
I saw that at WalterFootball too Jeremy. That and Drafttek are 2 sites that love to put up Mock Drafts and are kinda fun to look at it the offseason but not take to seriously. After reading that about Martinez I wanted to write a letter to the Editor and DEMAND that man who wrote that be fired for dereliction of duty!
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 10:21 am
Walterfootball ought to be tagged as humor site, not a sports site
Lphill
January 21, 2020 at 02:02 pm
Amazing how many here have given up on Rodgers, sure let’s trade him to the a Patriots for some picks, the Patriots will surround him with playmakers and he will get another ring or two. I don’t remember the Patriots surrounding Brady with a bunch of Undrafted free agents his entire career.
hobowilly
January 21, 2020 at 11:43 pm
non comprede fans have no clue what AR means to GB, so i quickly discounted all such negative garbage. I happen to agree with you if the Bellicheats got AR, he just may hand them a couple more rings.
fastmoving
January 22, 2020 at 01:11 am
you are so funny. Did you see what playmakers Brady got? AR has more playmakers than most if, not all, QBs. But he never will use them.
Its his fault, that he has only one favorit and refuses to throw to anyone else. Yea, we know the strange trust-thing.
But anyway, the Pats would never pay that much money to an QB who is not willing to play in a system.
fastmoving
January 22, 2020 at 03:55 am
AR has the way better support cast over the years than Brady and look who got the SBs.
Our 12 should have way more rings than Brady. But there is a big reason why its the other way around.
Good QBs make everyone around them better not the other way around. That was one of AR biggest weak sides
AR has the way better support cast over the years than Brady and look who got the SBs.
Our 12 should have way more rings than Brady. But there is a big reason why its the other way around.
Good QBs make everyone around them better not the other way around. That was one of AR biggest weak sides
Brady had some great TEs but only smal unknown slot receivers (besides the short time with Moss) and he trurned them into stars. AR did something like that not a single time...no once. Brady every year.
You dont watch a lot of football, right?
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 01:03 pm
Brady is a great QB on a great organization with great coaches. Rodgers is a great QB on a good organization with good coaches. Which one is better is a matter of personal preference.
Ryan3468
January 21, 2020 at 02:02 pm
Walking Jimmy Graham, Geronimo Allison, Blake Martinez, I think the Pack will try and keep Bulaga, and Tramon. Tramon could be a cut from the 90 if any corner shows a sign. Tramon is old, but definitely a high character and high caliber player who could help the secondary. It’s just if there is a guy who could develop faster by playing that would lead to him being cut. I wonder if Valdeer will want to give another season a go as a back/role player in the offensive line.
Roadrunner23
January 21, 2020 at 03:20 pm
Resign: Clark - Bulaga - Crosby - Lewis - Williams
Say goodbye: Martinez- Geranimo- Goodson - Graham - L. Taylor
Draft: ILB - DL - WR - OL
stockholder
January 21, 2020 at 06:48 pm
What are your Feelings on these guys? Andrew Billigs Dt Cinn, Jarron Reed Dt Sea. And Joe Schobert ILB Clev. These upgrades would be reasonable.
hobowilly
January 21, 2020 at 11:47 pm
agree, pretty straight forward. Gutey for GM of the year and mlf coach of the year!
Seth_Borden
January 21, 2020 at 04:08 pm
I think that's pretty spot on. If I were GM...
- Sign Crosby. Make it happen.
- Make Tramon a legit one-year vet offer, but don't overpay.
- I'd love to see Bulaga back at a decent number, but I think I'd let the market set itself unless he's seriously interested in a team friendly deal -- maybe incentives related to games played.
- Let the market set itself for Blake -- which does unfortunately mean he will be overpaid elsewhere.
- Let G-Mo walk. He has had every opportunity to expand upon the flash he showed early, and grow into the rotation -- especially when needed badly -- and I suspect his ceiling isn't too far off rolling the dice on new WR blood.
Lukewarm Take: I know he's not an FA, but I'd explore extending Jimmy Graham at a much lower salary if he is interested. He's not the player of old, and he had some atrocious games this year. But it seems like #12 loves and trusts him for some reason, and he flashed enough down the stretch to be a piece -- just not THE MAN. I don't mind him being on the roster at the right cap numbers. His 2020 number ain't it -- and if cut, he won't get that number anywhere else at this point. So....try?
CAG123
January 21, 2020 at 04:24 pm
With the blocking TE being so important to MLF offense the Packers would be better off bringing back Mercedes so that leaves Graham as the odd man out no way Packers should go into next season with two old TEs again.
HankScorpio
January 22, 2020 at 01:08 pm
Even if Graham were paid at Lewis' current pay rate, I would not bring him back. He's a pass catching TE that doesn't do enough pass catching to keep the job. Those are the cold facts for the cold business of football.
MikeS
January 21, 2020 at 04:57 pm
Resign Clark. Keep Crosby, Bulaga on team friendly deal, Tramon, Veldheer, and Lewis on 1 year deals. Let Martinez go FA. Cut G-mo, Graham, Taylor. Draft 1) WR, 2) ILB, 3) DE, 4) OL
Packers0808
January 21, 2020 at 05:00 pm
Will be an interesting off year for sure!
4thand1
January 21, 2020 at 05:42 pm
Stay tuned, lots more surprises coming this off season. Gute will improve this team.
Wilment
January 21, 2020 at 06:44 pm
I hate to say it, but I think we have to really look at Marinez even if he is overpriced. We spent most of this season trying to figure out who linebacker number two inside was. To have no one left inside would suck, unless we are going over to a 4-3 and planning on trying to find that one guy in the draft. We draft really late too. Not going to be any top tier ILB prospects left there, much less two of them. I keep looking at our number one pick and the slow progress for him to adapt, and all the guys that were availble at that pick.....no matter. Other guys to retain, Lazard, Crosby, Williams, Valdeheer, and Bulaga to some sort of short term deal until we get Light or someone in the draft up to speed. GOPACKGO...GET THOSE LAST FEW PIECES GUTE!!
joeblowinski
January 21, 2020 at 08:12 pm
For the off season, our first priority is to wake up and smell the coffee. Aaron Rodgers isn't close to what he used to be and never will be. Remember, before freaks of nature like Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Drew Brees et. al showed up, QBs were washed up at Rodgers age and he is back to the old norm. Clearly. How many open guys did he flat out miss this year, last year and year before compared to say 2012? 100? More? It's time to move on.
Fortunately, the rest of the league hasn't caught on yet, so let's move him. Let's offer Rodgers and our 1st round draft choice to the Bengals for the first pick of the draft. Naturally, we'd take Burrows.
Hmm. Hot shot QB pared with a young, hot shot coach, decent defense. Hmm. And Burrows wants to play football. Clearly, Rodgers doesn't.
jakubbeason
January 22, 2020 at 08:47 am
If we trade Rodgers, we’re flushing nearly $70 million down the toilet - the team that offers the signing bonus money is fully responsible, even if the player is traded while under the contract. As much as I would love Burrow* to fall into the Packers’ lap, it would either result in his entire rookie contract being spent as a backup or a ridiculous chunk of cap space being wasted on a nonstarter. It’s just not realistic (or financially responsible) for the packers to draft the quarterback of the future this year or next.
Dragon5
January 21, 2020 at 09:07 pm
Most are talking about ILB or D-Line needs...metaphysical energy suggests Bakhtiari, Lindsley, and Turner will have challenging 2020 ahead. I noticed Ross Uglem's MockDraftMonday1.0 was not posted here yesterday, but on 247's site. Is CheeseheadTV not publishing his segment this year?
hobowilly
January 21, 2020 at 11:56 pm
Thank you Aaron Nagler for the topic of the day. Honestly believe GB has the staff on hand (with the exception of Mennega) to bring it again in 2020.....IMHO, their middle D was a severe weakness, losing Raven Green early and not having an answer against a team with a good TE and a dynamic RB was troublesome throughout the season and good offensive scheming teams really took advantage! Keep up the good work Aaron!
Timeout
January 22, 2020 at 07:48 am
How much of Mennega's evaluation do put on the fact the Packers had no capable kick returner for most of the season and the inconsistent punting?
fastmoving
January 22, 2020 at 01:13 am
Dont know I anyone will take AR with that kind of contract................
4zone
January 22, 2020 at 10:39 am
We have three positions of need for potential high-dollar FA signings, probably one, maybe two, but not all three can be filled with FA's, RT, ILB, WR. If you can grab at least one as a FA, it will make our draft much more effective.