You can dog MLF for making boneheaded starting decisions in big games. Even if that was coming from deferring to his diva QB, he's the boss. Make Rodgers eat it and who cares if he quits? Generally, he deferred FAR too much to Rodgers in 21 and 22. You can dog MLF for hiring Joe Barry and keeping much of Pettine's staff.

But you can't dog MLF for his offensive acumen, nor too much for his game management.

I am excited as hell to watch the PACKERS this year. With MLF as coach. 12 is FINALLY gone! WOOHOOO! I'm scared about the defense and Joe Barry. But the offense? All excitement. Speed bumps and all.

GPG.

I believe that these comments from Mark Murphy yesterday are totally unfair to Jordan Love just before his first TC as the Packers starting QB.

President Mark Murphy said "Love has half a season to prove to the team he’s the future of the Packers at quarterback." Murphy said "that’s how long it took the Packers to know Aaron Rodgers was the guy to lead the team long-term after Brett Favre. If Love isn’t proving his worth by midseason, the Packers need to come up with a plan to land another quarterback."

IMO Jordan should have at least 2 seasons to prove that he can be "the guy" long term. To lay this on Love and LaFleur at this point is just not fair to the player, the HC or the team for that matter because Love will not be playing by himself. Love probably will not even have all of MLFs playbook available to him by the seasons' halfway mark.

This is yet another "We're not idiots" moment for Murphy. I wish that he would just step away and let Gute and MLF do their jobs. We haven't even started TC yet and I have a bad taste in my mouth because of Murphy. Retire already.

As for MLFs offensive acumen it remains to be seen and proven. With all of the youth on offense , especially in the receiving corps, it will take time for the offense to run on all cylinders. Injuries will be a factor as well. Bottom line, Love, the offense and MLF need time to get his offense running smoothly. It make take one or two seasons. Take one game and one play at a time. Thanks, Since '61

Agreed. AR inherited a more experienced WR group that he had several years of OTA and pre-season snaps with. Love? Not so much. Even if for some misguided reason MM was actually only going to give Love 1/2 season to prove himself, why the h e double toothpicks would you publicly say it? It just layers on unnecessary pressure on Love. It also (continues to) make MM look stupid. If there are several key offensive injuries during the first 8 games impacting Love's ability to guide the offense, MM will have to eat his words and backtrack. I thought he played football and understood that unforeseen things can happen impacting a team's success that have nothing to do with the QB.

I think I look at this differently. Sure you need to be a little creative. That’s great.

However, I am more concerned with getting Love acclimated to the speed and pace of the NFL game while limiting came changing turnovers and mistakes. Quietly, I think. the Packers have done a good job so that Love doesn’t have to play hero ball. The Packers have a solid Oline, two solid backs, a few promising receivers and two big newly drafted and somewhat fast TE relief valves. This team needs to establish the run first and take what the defense gives them through the air. If that means dumping it off to the TE’s so be it. I think those young guys (Musgrave and Kraft) could have a real impact. The receiving corps especially Watson and Doubs will make plays. Obviously, though, we can’t have Love forcing the throws.

Matt LaFleur thought bubble: "Oh, I'll simplify some things alright... hold my beer!"

In all seriousness, 2021's "Last Dance" BS was the icing on that BON VOYAGE cake. Throwing to no one but a double & triple covered Davante Adams exclusively for 3 entire QUARTERS spelled non-compliance doom.

That turned his 2022 into a complete and total lame duck season, in which Rodgers' Offense severely underperformed. His own veteran receiving targets were responsible for more drops than the rookies.

Aaron Rodgers' "greatness" left in 2017. He became a petulant prick to everyone in authority after they let Jordy Nelson walk. 2018's spitefulness helped lead GB to a 6-9-1 team result, and Mike McCarthy's firing.

Rodgers got HIS stats, and had quite a remarkable year passing. Who suffers then? When QB1 is solely concerned with his own passing stats and winning MVPs? Our running backs. 334 combined rushing attempts for Aaron Jones & Jamal Williams in 2018. AR nearly doubled that in passing attempts with 597.

If you look back on it in all seriousness, little changed with AR thereafter. Yet, playing QB at an optimal level in the NFL is not about personal achievement. It's about leading a TEAM, as a part of that TEAM, with first & foremost, one goal: WINNING THE LOMBARDI TROPHY.

___ Now we can focus on JUST THAT!!! Looks to me like the TEAM is ALL-IN, with TC beginning tomorrow!

Matt LaFleur and his staff have got to be about as excited & motivated as can be to lead his team to the highest level of success the NFL's youngest team can possibly achieve. They know they all have to show out. Coaches & players alike. But, MAN ARE THEY LOADED with young talents at EVERY position LaFleur could want.

He's got Watson, Melton, Reed & Deguara to utilize in Jet concepts. 3 of the four run 4.3 forty's. Both Musgrave & Kraft are size-speed mismatches, as is Watson.

If LaFleur wants to help Jordan Love in 2023, he'll need to take some of the pass rushing heat off his young QB1 by implementing more of a power running attack. In 2018 with LaFleur calling plays, the Titans rushed 456 times for 2,027 yds, 15 TDs, and 106 1Ds.

It would have been better, and smarter, to have said 'You'll see what we thought when drafted, by the season's half-time'. However, that might exude a higher confidence that doesn't really exist.

“…great ability to manage things when not going well “

Huh? I don’t believe that for a second. Great ability to keep doing and saying the same thing over and over…he’s a one trick pony and if this season goes off the tracks he won’t be able to fix it doing the same thing over and over.

I think we’ll find out if he’s a strong leader this challenging year and I hope I’m way wrong being a Packer fan first and not wanting them to suck. I’m hopeful but not optimistic😢

Wendell, thank you for an unpolished piece on mlf. I think he's on the hottest seat of anybody in this organization. I also think he's got a fantastic opportunity in front of him.
Potential playmakers up and down the roster, all pulling in the same direction, hopefully picking each other up during the hard times instead of degrading a teammate's poor performance on any given play.
8 weeks?: I'm trying to give MM the benefit of the doubt, but I can't find a valid reason that a team president would make that particular comment?
JLove and MLF know exactly how much pressure they're under. Every nfl coach and player are but a few weeks removed from the street at all times. Piling on unnecessarily doesn't change a thing no matter what the circumstance.
Hopefully that's the last time he's in front of a microphone until the draft.
Let's start TC and move on to the good stuff.
GPG!

We'll know what we have in coaching and players from the first game on. From the first possession, even.

We at CHTV will have decided by then (even with any injuries) who should be the best starting 5 linemen by the Chicago game.

Remember the shock with the starting line that came out for the Vikings game? Couldn't even find out who picked those five starters. Hopefully that was the last time we started the regular season with our last preseason game.

I believe we'll be able to tell, even if we start the game on defense.

It all comes down to the trenches. If you dominate there, all the rest will flow. If you don't, it won't matter who the "skill players" are.

He better shine or his stint as a HC in GB will be over very quickly...

We might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here, at least in the short term. MLF has indicated he's going to be taking a "fluid" approach with Love, making sure he's playing loosely, doing things that are comfortable at first, and not wanting him to overthink. That makes sense.

I would say that MLF has his first real opportunity to firmly stamp his identity as the leader on the team now that Rodgers is gone. There's obviously more to being a successful head coach than being an offensive mastermind (see McDaniel/Raiders). Equally as important is his selection of assistant and position coaches who will play a key role in the development of the young players as well as maintaining or improving the play from the veterans. You can be confident in very experienced coaches like Clements and Bisaccia, but we'll have to see about some of the newer and younger ones. So we want to be singing their praises as well when players like Musgrave and Kraft begin to make an impact.

Will this year be a repeat of the Titans by relying on the running game or will it be Lafleur's offense opening up.

It will all depend on Love's progression as a QB. There has been several articles showing Love's progress through video. I keep going back to Tom Clements comment about watching the feet. It seems to me that when Love throws in rhythm and has good footwork he is successful. And when he is pressured or in trouble, his left leg turns out and accuracy drops. Perhaps a bad habit from years past.

I will be watching Love and his mechanics. If he can keep his mechanics under pressure, then we may have ourselves an interesting season. I hope so

Man I cant wait till we can actually analyze real football and not hang on every word said by people off the field. I dont care what Murphy said. I dont care what Gute or MLF said. I dont care what the media says or what Bakhtiari says or what any other person has to say. None of this shit matters. Just win baby.

No excuses anymore. MLF has had enough time as head coach to learn the job. There's no longer any influence from number 12. It's now MLF's team. Will he flourish or has he hit his ceiling? I truly don't know--but we'll soon find out.

When Arod was traded LaFluer said “A lot of people have been rewarded, quite frankly, because of his ability to go out there and play and play at such a high level.” I think this was a shot at the front office in reminding them that a big part of the front office's (Gute, MM) success was because of Aaron Rodgers success on the field. MM seems to me ( I could be wrong, i dont really know) to be pretty egotistical and convinced that the GBP are successful soley because of MM and nothing and nobody else much like a lot of other CEO's who believe their success is due only to how great they are and nothing and nobody else. What MM said about JLove was a shot back at LaFluer. JLove has to be playing like Arod was his 1st year half way through the season and possibly sniffing around the playoff hunt (not in the hunt necessarily but close) by the end of the year or LaFluer is gonna be gone.
You see, Arod wasnt special, MM is special cause he makes Arod's and Jlove's who they are. but none of the fans or media give MM this credit and he needs to remind people of how the world really works... sarcasm alert, btw. Things MM says and MM's behavior make a lot more sense when you realize he has an over-inflated ego and sense of his contributions and under appreciation for the other professionals (players or coaches)
Matt Lafluer hasnt been a great coach but he has not been bad. MM paying cheap for D and ST coaches (they fixed that with ST after the media got involved with the ST coach salary) screwed this team in the playoffs when weak links get exposed.

What I learned in my life is that if somebody accuse you of something, that means he is the one being that or doing that. That is pretty accurate if the accuser has inflated ego. The accuser believes that everyone functioning as he does.

Saying this does not mean that person(s) with inflated ego(s) are not successful in some business or social issues or projects. Everybody can be successful in one or more fields, but no one can cover successfuly every aspects of life or business. There are always teams behind successful organizations. Anyone who places himself as final decision maker has to understand that he has to respect the work and suggestions of his subordinates he chose for specific part of job to do. If he believes he is better than others and makes decisions by himself and how he sees things, that is the path to catastrophy.

When that high ego person makes wrong decision, has no valid arguments to support that decision, but quickly recognize decision is not good after the decision was implemented, what he will do. 2 things! First, he will use plural (we) instead of singular (I) and, second, he will accuse others how stupid they are not to recognize how excellent that decision is by using phrases like "We are not idiots".

What is the goal of that "act defence". To tell everybody who are pointing out how stupid that decision was - "You are idiots" and to justify the decision by passive-agressive "what else we were able to do".

I do not know for sure, but pure logic tells me that MLF, BG and RB was for trade FPQB to Broncos. Mark "we are not idiots" was against and his decision and order to his subordinate was that make possible, no matter what price is, to gave new contract to FPQB.

After last season, MM quietly pull out himself from decision about FPQB future and left his "team" to make deal and change at the position.

I know how stupid will sound next, but all MM statements after the act (decision made by FPQB to play for Jets) leans towards hope to justify his decision to keep FPQB another season (probably till the end of MM tenure) and ruin the job of his "team" in their try to make transition as smooth as possible.

Now, I'm not talking about other aspects of MM job, because I do not know anything about it. He was/is, obviously successful in building titletown, bringing draft to Green Bay and other things, but knowing what he did to structure of the FO tells me that his idea is to be remembered at the level of Bob Harland if not better than Harland was.

My take is that he overcalculated himself and that he will be remembered by his FO move mistake.

I was not talking about his statement regarding Jordan Love. Many posters here said all what was needed to be told and I agree with them. I want to add one thing to the discussion. My take from MM statement is that this was his another blunder that will explode to his legacy. Jordan Love is young, but very good person, confident in himself and his abilities. Pathetic statement from "We are not idiots" person will not disturb him. For me, his talent, that is the main trait Jordan has that will lead him to success in NFL.

It is silly to think that MLF will suddenly 'blossom' and prove to the world that he is a good coach. Anybody that knows football already knows he is that already. All the nitpickers and clickbait artists in the world can't change what he has accomplished already. This guy is a winner with a quiet but forceful leadership style that puts his players first. Yes, he will shine this year and for many years to come. The Packers have a good one and it will be a great moment when he hoists a Lombardi Trophy.