Green Bay Packers 2022 Pre-Training Camp Ramblings

Here are some quick thoughts on the Packers' offense, defense, and special teams with training camp almost here.


With Green Bay Packers training camp beginning in just a few days, I am back with my pre-camp ramblings—discussing just about anything and everything on my mind ahead of training camp and the preseason. 

- As Aaron Rodgers said during minicamp, he prefers “production over potential,” so at least through the early portion of the season, I would expect him to lean heavily on the veteran receivers— Allen Lazard, Sammy Watkins, and Randall Cobb — over the rookies.

- Speaking of pass catchers, when we talk about the Packers’ passing game, we can’t forget to mention the running backs and tight ends. Aaron Jones has finished second on the team in targets each year under Matt LaFleur, while AJ Dillon had 37 targets of his own last season. Robert Tonyan had 58 targets during his last healthy season, and we know Josiah Deguara and Marcedes Lewis will have opportunities as well. 

- Hopefully, this ends up being a moot point, but the Packers have major question marks at the offensive tackle position—one of the most important in the game. Among the Packers’ healthy tackle options, Yosh Nijman has the most experience with 605 career snaps, per PFF. 

- During OTAs and minicamp, Cole Van Lanen and Royce Newman took the bulk of the right tackle snaps with the starters, for what it’s worth. 

- Getting both Jones and Dillon on the field together more often this season should be a priority. Green Bay went from using two running backs together on 16% of their snaps in 2020 to just 2% last year, according to Sharp Football. It’s a small sample size — just seven snaps — but as Pete Dougherty would write following the Packers’ late-season matchup with Minnesota, the offense averaged 7.4 yards per play that game when both Jones and Dillon were on the field. At the end of the day, get the ball in the hands of your playmakers. 

- With Jones and Dillon potentially taking on larger roles, I expect whoever is RB3 to have more opportunities than what they did a season ago in an effort to keep those two fresh. Prior to the 2020 draft, LaFleur discussed the importance of having a third back to lean on.

- Once Tonyan is fully healthy, I do think keeping five tight ends is in play. We know that Tonyan, Lewis, and Deguara will be on the roster, while Tyler Davis — who has quite a bit of hype around him — and Dominique Dafney could each be special teams standouts under Rich Bisaccia. 

- Versatility is the hallmark of this offensive line unit. So as LaFleur searches for the best five, I would anticipate quite few offensive line combinations this summer. 

- Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs could help provide some juice to the return units. Watson was an All-American kick returner at North Dakota State, while Doubs averaged over 12 yards per punt return over his career. 

- There appears to be an added — and needed — emphasis on special teams this offseason. There was the hiring of Bisaccia, special teams specific free-agent additions in Keisean Nixon and Pat O’Donnell, several draft picks who can contribute right away, and starters taking some special teams snaps during offseason programs. We will see how it translates on the field. 

- The Packers have a second kicker in camp, but this is Mason Crosby’s job. For one, it’s not abnormal to have a second kicker on the roster at this point; plus, the issues Crosby had last season don’t all fall on him—the blocking, snaps, and holds were all very inconsistent. Not to mention that there are obvious risks in relying on a rookie kicker throughout the season. 

- This Packers defense could be among the best in the NFL. However, the depth at several positions is a big unknown. Edge rusher, safety, and cornerback are all positions with little experience behind the starters. 

- Whoever ends up being the third and fourth edge rushers this season, the Packers need more from them than what they got a season ago. It’s a heavily rotated position with Rashan Gary and Preston Smith both on the field for about 68% of the defensive snaps in 2021, and there was a severe lack of impact plays when they were on the sidelines. 

- The addition of Quay Walker will allow the Packers to stay in their base defense more often. Last season, Green Bay had a bit of a tell based on their personnel. When Henry Black was on the field, the Packers were likely playing the pass. And when Krys Barnes was out there, they were probably playing the run. But now, that will be much more difficult for offenses to decipher. 

- The defense could make some long days for the offense this summer. As already mentioned, the defense could be a top unit in the league, while the offense has several question marks and will go through a learning curve. Hopefully, facing a defense of this caliber each day benefits the Packers’ offense in the long run. 

- In addition to the personnel, the defense could make a big jump this year because of it being the second year in Joe Barry’s system. Players will be more familiar with their responsibilities, and Barry can go deeper into the playbook. We’ve seen other defenses around the league recently take a step forward in their second year with a defensive coordinator, and the Packers’ offense took a huge step forward in Year 2 under LaFleur. 

- This is easily the deepest interior defensive line rotation that the Packers have had in a while. It will be interesting to see how the snap counts among each player is broken down. This should also mean a little extra rest for Kenny Clark, which is a good thing. 

- Jaire Alexander will, in all likelihood, take more slot snaps than he has in the past, but that isn’t the only place he will play. Depending on where the opponent’s top receiver is, Alexander will more often than not be lined up across from him. So in those instances, who will be in the slot? My guess is that it will be a shared role, with perhaps Douglas lining up there against bigger pass catchers and Stokes against quicker pass-catching options. Nixon and Jean-Charles could even see some playing time as well. 

- Just as Alexander had to lineup against Davante Adams as a rookie, along with Stokes doing the same last year, Alexander has already said that he is going to challenge Christian Watson this summer. This will hopefully shorten his learning curve and make him better in the long run. 

- Late last season, we saw a glimpse of what Lazard can do in a larger role. During the last five games, he caught 21 of 28 passes at almost 14 yards per catch with five touchdowns. Among all receivers during that span, he ranked 25th in receptions, 19th in yards, and 22nd in yards per route run, per PFF.

- Both Lazard and Cobb have been reliable targets on third downs and in the red zone. The big question for each of them is, can they remain effective with more opportunities and attention from defenses?

- Right away, Christian Watson can make an impact as a deep threat and as a gadget player—getting the ball to him quickly in space where he can use his speed. Hopefully, as the season progresses, he can become a reliable option in high-leverage situations. 

- Special teams play will be a key factor in determining several back-end of the roster spots. 

 

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Born and raised in Green Bay, WI and I still call it home. After my family, watching the Packers, sharing my opinions on the team through my writing and interacting with other fans is my greatest passion. You can find me on Twitter at @Paul_Bretl. 
 

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 11:25 am

All reasonable points, but for me I think one of the really interesting areas will be who backs up behind not just the big 3 CBs, but at S and ILB too. How do guys like Shawn Davis, Gaines, Wilborn, Carpenter, Ento, Gafford, Scott and the rest show both on D and on STs?

Who will be our backups in the center and backfield and what if anything do they bring. Even assuming no injuries, I don’t think any of those positions have a favorite other than perhaps Nixon based upon STs. There could be a wholly new look to the depth there. I don’t see SJC as having his name pencilled in at all.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2022 at 01:29 pm

I have answers to some of those questions.

🥸. We will dress 21 defensive guys. If you start Clark, Slaton, Wyatt, Gary, PSmith, Walker, Campbell, Alexander, Douglas, Amos and Savage, you have room for 10 more.

🥸 Lowry, Reed, Barnes, Garvin, Enagbare, Stokes, and Nixon all look like good bets. 3 spots remaining. Scott and StCharles are second year picks, we drafted Carpenter.

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:39 pm

I have a suspicion that, injuries aside, the chances are that your first paragraph will be prescient and your second not so much after Reed. I think need may even remove Lowry, as I think there is a chance we sign a veteran OT. Scott is in his 3rd year BTW.

Enagbare, Garvin, Barnes and Nixon seem likely, but that leaves probably 6 DB/LB completely up in the air even if Lowry remains.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2022 at 04:48 pm

11 starters, plus Stokes, Enagbare, Barnes, Garvin and NIxon is 16. Add Lowry and Reed and it's 18 (we're not going to cut or trade or release Lowry) Down to three.

Sc0tt and Carpenter, probably Shemar. That's it. There are not 6 defensive spots remaining "up in the air".

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 10:29 pm

Let’s see. Maybe you are right and maybe you aren’t. I think it’s a lot more open than you think and that we will see that in cut down day. However, as long as the best men are retained I will be happy: I’m not wedded to certainties now but to performance to come.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

July 26, 2022 at 07:52 am

GB played 22 players quite often, and a quick check reveals that they played 23 defensive players at times (see SF, WA, Baltimore and MN (week 11). 21 and 22 were common, with at least one game in which only 20 defensive players got snaps (even if only on STs).

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Bure9620's picture

July 25, 2022 at 03:36 pm

Agree, we are very thin at these positions. This roster in general is very strong on the front line but has much less depth than the previous 2 years. A rash of injuries would really test this team....

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 26, 2022 at 12:41 am

I think the added pressure from the middle makes up for some the middling pressure from the backups at Edge as long as Gary or Preston don't miss big chunks of the season.

We'll see what Leavitt brings but he played 249 snaps while Black played 262 and PFF liked Leavitt quite a bit more. Raiders fans mainly thought he was a good backup but struggled as a starter.

CB is still a big issue behind the top 3 but every team in the league could probably say that. Desmond Trufant is still out there, he's 31 but was a plus athlete when drafted and had a 66 grade from PFF for last year. Don't know what his injury status is though.

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Swisch's picture

July 25, 2022 at 11:37 am

Have we truly seen the illusion of complexity in the LaFleur offense?
It seems not, and I would like to see more pre-snap motion and post-snap variations on the field -- with far less of Rodgers lingering at the line of scrimmage running down the play clock, which hasn't seemed to produce much in the way of successful plays, but rather to throw off the rhythm of the offense.
On a similar note, how about a trick play or two in most games? Even Lombardi had the halfback option.

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mnbadger's picture

July 25, 2022 at 12:38 pm

The packers' offense in recent years has been most productive when getting to the LOS and running the play in rhythm.
Scheme and excecution. Illusion of complexity. It seems that in recent years we wait till ZERO on the play clock. Our OL are frozen, the DLine knows when the snap will occur and we are behind from the start.
The days of qb1 standing around trying to outsmart the defense should be over.
Line up, execute the play and succeed. K.I.S.S.
GPG!

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Swisch's picture

July 25, 2022 at 01:44 pm

Those sequences with Rodgers analyzing endlessly at the line of scrimmage and the play clock dwindling toward zero (or past for a delay penalty) have been agonizing to me -- and, again, I don't remember a bounty of productive plays coming out of all of the trouble.
Unless it's a key third down, it may be better to just run the play called in the huddle; or perhaps to have one alternative play as an audible that can be called without dawdling at the line of scrimmage.
As I understand it, the Lombardi Packers ran the famous power sweep with such effectiveness (plus, the play itself had various options in player assignments after the snap), that it would generally work even if the defense knew it was coming.
Overall, keeping the offense on rhythm and the defense off rhythm may be worth risking an unproductive play once in a while.

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:41 pm

We saw the illusion taking shape and then it went away. Instead we got Adams focused offense, long snap counts and minimal formation/personnel changes. In fact, the exact opposite. The offense did not improve.

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baldski's picture

July 26, 2022 at 04:16 am

Lombardi taught that if everyone did his job "The Sweep" would gain yardage even if the D knew it was coming. Execution was his byword. He emphasized it.

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Bure9620's picture

July 25, 2022 at 03:48 pm

No because this isn't MLFs offense. We haven't seen Lefleur's full vision because of #12.

Matt Lefleur also doesn't snap the ball or yell "Green 19"......This has ALWAYS been a Rodgers thing with his cadence.

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Swisch's picture

July 25, 2022 at 04:30 pm

I suspect the same thing as far as Rodgers largely thwarting the offense of LaFleur.
I can understand a head coach tweaking his offense to suit the preferences of a superstar quarterback, but it seems that LaFleur has gone much further in basically abandoning at lease one important dynamic of his offense -- the illusion of complexity.
A fundamental disconnect between quarterback and head coach may not make much of a difference on a sunny October afternoon, but it can be the difference between winning and losing a tight playoff game in wintry January.
To me, this is the best theory as to why the Packers have flopped in the playoffs the past two seasons. I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
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For all of the savvy moves made by Gute, and for all of the excellent coaching done by LaFleur, my concern is that so much of this is being ultimately undone be failing to assert a healthy measure of authority over an arrogantly out-of-control quarterback.
It seems to me a major dysfunction that almost inevitably results in heartbreak just when it seems a team is ready to seize a championship.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 26, 2022 at 02:05 am

Yep it's too bad he won't listen to LaFluer, if he did he might even win an MVP award one of these years.

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BradHTX's picture

July 26, 2022 at 06:49 am

Don’t be salty, LLC. Cute reply aside, it’s a legit question to ask why the MVP-worthy regular seasons have given way to lackluster post-season results.

Yeah, yeah; last year it was Special Teams. Others, it’s been the Defense. But for all that, we have a team that dominates the regular season and then folds in the playoffs, and the Offense hasn’t been faultless.

I think all of us would happily trade MVP awards for Lombardi trophies. Not that the two have to be mutually exclusive, but so far they have been. The discussion of why is worth having.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 26, 2022 at 07:41 pm

But without the MVP seasons would they even be sniffing a chance at a lack luster postseason performance. How many teams win 13 games missing their all pro LT and CB?

I'm not saying he hasn't had playoff games where it looked like he "tightened" up but the offense was pretty reliant on MVS drawing attention away from the others and it's not surprising it struggled against a good D, especially given the problems they were having upfront the last two years.

His playoff rating of 100.1 is awfully close to his regular season rating of 104.5. I think people look at that last play and decide the whole games was like that.

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LambeauPlain's picture

July 25, 2022 at 11:56 am

Why is Watson on PUP?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 25, 2022 at 12:10 pm

He also held up signing to get the Packers to give him $150,000.00 guaranteed in his fourth year of the contract. Then he shows up on PUP? Did he/his agent play the Packers a bit?

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splitpea1's picture

July 25, 2022 at 12:37 pm

I don't like the "production over potential" comment from Rodgers. The sooner the rookie receivers are integrated into the offense, the better (provided they're ready to contribute, of course). Time for MLF to take full control of his team.

Obviously there's an emphasis on special teams; it's a shame it took a costly bite in the ass to get us there.... And let's hope we finally solved the punter/holder issue for a while so we don't have to think about it any more.

TE's/HBs: Deguara: Should be sink or swim time for him. Dafney is worth keeping.

An excellent defensive draft coupled with the veterans having a year under the Barry system under their belts should vault this defense from good to great. And I know we drafted Walker, but don't underestimate the value of Barnes.

I didn't see any mention of Watkins. If he stays healthy, he could make a serious impact--which we may especially need in the early part of the season.

As great of a player as Adams was (and we're going to miss him at times), the transformation of our offense is going to more fun to watch if all goes well.

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mnbadger's picture

July 25, 2022 at 12:41 pm

Agree to all points splitpea, especially the last one re: DA.
GPG!

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Bure9620's picture

July 25, 2022 at 03:49 pm

Agree, this is ridiculous. This is Rodgers way of saying "I don't trust those guys yet" If Gute is high enough on a player to draft them, the position coaches, coordinator and HC think of enough of that player to put them on the field, this all that is needed. I am growing more than tired of players having to fulfill the "Rodgers seal of approval."

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Swisch's picture

July 25, 2022 at 06:07 pm

Right, Bure.
A truly great quarterback, in my opinion, will meet his teammates at least halfway in trying to get the best out of them.
Especially with young guys who show a sincere effort to learn, Rodgers has a big role in bringing out their best.
The question is whether he will strive to fill that role.
I'm rooting for him to step up as more than a passer by becoming more of a leader.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 26, 2022 at 08:41 am

Rodgers is a smart guy and yes in camp, preseason & early regular season games he will undoubtedly rely on veteran WR's, but he also will identify quickly whether those WR's are up to the task to accomplish what he wants, & if not he will quickly groom the young WR he sees who has the talent he wants on the field.

Say what you want about Rodgers (and I certainly have) he has a solid command of the offense & knows who has the ability to play WR the way he wants and who doesn’t. He will make the adjustments!

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Johnblood27's picture

July 25, 2022 at 01:10 pm

i am completely unimpressed with any of the CB after the big 3.

Nixon will stick as a ST demon.

Im calling it now... Kevin King will be on the 53 as the #4 CB.

There is no depth at boundary CB, he can cover that within the context of the rest of this talented secondary if one of the big 3 goes down.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2022 at 01:36 pm

A bold prediction on King.

Nixon is going dress for games, and probably Shemar too. Those are our backup CBs. I don’t foresee either of them being released to add King.

We have 3 very good CBs. Most teams don’t have two, and some don’t even have one.

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Bure9620's picture

July 25, 2022 at 03:51 pm

Totally agree. We are also going to be playing lots of base and nickel. Quay Walker or Campbell will drop more on 3rd down.

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Bure9620's picture

July 25, 2022 at 03:51 pm

Totally agree. We are also going to be playing lots of base and nickel. Quay Walker or Campbell will drop more on 3rd down.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 25, 2022 at 04:14 pm

SJC is a slot only, King is a boundary and can do some slot duty vs larger WR or split TE.

Ento, Gafford, Texada or Thomas... i am unimpressed thus far.

I hope they all shine like new pennies, however... reality often sux!

Oh No!, Crappola - I sound like Taryn!

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 26, 2022 at 12:39 pm

I like Taryn. I tend to be too optimistic and his posts periodically bring me back down to earth. He is an independent thinker and will challenge the crowd.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 26, 2022 at 09:14 pm

SHE

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:23 pm

The guy I'm interested in is Raleigh Texada. His physical attributes are a clone of Jaire Alexander, and his tape shows the same feisty style. I think he has the potential to do well on special teams while he learns from JA.

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BradHTX's picture

July 26, 2022 at 06:54 am

As they say on Reddit, “User name checks out.” I like the optimism.

Haven’t followed closely enough, but it would be cool if Raleigh Texada turned into something. If nothing else, he’s got a great name.

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:52 pm

I agree on King, though I think he’s used inside ideally if we do pick him up. Ento is capable of boundary coverage if he has learned to tackle. If not, Gafford might offer something with his speed. The rest all seem inside prospects. It’s going to be interesting to see who makes an impact.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 25, 2022 at 04:51 pm

So Nixon will be special teams demon.....

He's not a snapper, or a holder, or a kicker or a punter. He's not an interior defender on punts. He's not a returner. So I guess you must mean gunner.

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 09:58 pm

You could look him up

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Johnblood27's picture

July 26, 2022 at 05:44 am

He will be a special teams demon, like he served with RB for duh raiduhs, or he will be cut.

He can serve as a deep backup at CB, IF he is balling out on special teams, no ST excellence, no NFL job.

Thats my perception.

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marpag1's picture

July 27, 2022 at 10:03 am

People act like Kevin King is the devil. If the Packers can get King at a reasonable price I'd be very happy with that. No question in my mind that if King is arguably your #4, that's pretty fantastic.

People need to get over the idea that he's a high round draft disappointment. That was then.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 25, 2022 at 01:16 pm

Clifton and Tausher played as rookies

Bakhtiari played as a rookie

Jenkins played as a rookie

Runyon played as a rookie

Meyers played as a rookie

Newman played as a rookie

I would not rule out Rhyan or Tom as starting material, as G or T, especially if Nijman has to cover at LT.

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murf7777's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:35 pm

That’s quite a list. I think it is likely, especially if Bak or Jenkins don’t play in game 1.

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:54 pm

I could see Tom at C too. Not convinced of Myers knee health or that he’s established based on actual play.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 25, 2022 at 04:10 pm

I just cant help myself...

Gutey out-thunk hisself, he shoulda drafted Creed Humphrey!

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Coldworld's picture

July 25, 2022 at 09:59 pm

Maybe.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 26, 2022 at 02:14 am

Think I'd go so far as probably-definitely, especially with Myers knee injuries. But I'm biased, I'm partial to linemen who were outstanding wrestlers. Anything can happen with injuries etc but Humphrey's did seem to point to him fitting their system and he might have been the best C in the league last year as a rookie.

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splitpea1's picture

July 25, 2022 at 02:58 pm

Bulaga, too, and we won the Super Bowl.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 26, 2022 at 08:53 am

With Bakhtiari's knee situation in my mind all this speculation of playing Nijman at RT is rediculous. He stays at LT regardless and either starts, or is a quality back-up LT for Bakh.

We have lots of options at RT until Jenkins returns. Wherever Rhyan ends up playing I believe he is going to be a stud. My guess he grabs a starting spot this year and doesn't let go. The question is will it be at RG, or RT? I believe the Packers have him settle in at RG for stability & long-term knowing when Jenkins returns he will play RT.

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marpag1's picture

July 27, 2022 at 03:15 am

Arguably the deepest position on the roster is interior DL. If guys like Ford show promise, or it Slayton etc continue to step up, what about trading a guy like Dean Lowry for a dependable rotational type guy at... WR, Edge, corner or safety? Or even a OT if Bakh is out? Given how thin some of those units are, I think you have to consider it.

I don't hate Dean Lowry. I actually think he's generally underrated. You might get something decent for him.

This team looks great if you focus on starters, but rotational depth is razor thin.

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