Cory's Corner: Working The Phones For Jordan Love
A lack of elite talent in this draft is the perfect reason for Brian Gutekunst to trade Jordan Love.
The Packers are likely taking phone calls on potential trades for Jordan Love.
And why not? The 2022 NFL Draft is nine days away and quarterback-desperate teams are even more desperate. According to Scouts Inc., Malik Willis and Kenny Pickett both have a grade of 90. Last year, Trevor Lawrence (97), Zach Wilson (93), Trey Lance (92) and Justin Fields (91) all graded out better than 90.
And, ironically enough, Love registered a grade of 90 in the 2020 class that had Joe Burrow (94) and Tua Tagovailoa (93) ahead of him. Love was ranked as the 20th overall player that year — which is better than Willis or Pickett this year.
This may sound crazy, but if Love was in this draft, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the first quarterback off the board. Teams love intangibles and there are so many things that he can project to do.
Does that mean that he’s a long-term NFL starter? No. He needs to work on being a leader and being able to respond to an eroding pocket. Any quarterback can succeed when the pocket is perfect, but in the NFL, the pocket is rarely perfect for an entire quarter, let alone an entire series of downs.
If you aren’t sure about how serious the NFL is with quarterbacks, look to the Cleveland Browns. They gave $230 million guaranteed to a quarterback that is facing 22 civil lawsuits and still doesn’t know what his NFL punishment will be. The Browns wanted to win right now and they knew what position needed to be fixed. So they put their morals on pause and signed what looks like the best franchise passer since Bernie Kosar — who was the last quarterback that led Cleveland to back-to-back playoff berths.
The NFL Draft is the biggest stage for general managers. They are out to prove that their scouting and prep work on players matter and they know the secret sauce to get their team over the hump.
How many people thought that Mitchell Trubisky would be competing for the starting job with the Steelers this upcoming summer? He was a disaster in Chicago and obviously it didn’t help that Matt Nagy never really wanted him.
The Atlanta Falcons make the most sense for Love. Bring him in to compete with Marcus Mariota for the starting job. Seattle wouldn’t be a bad landing spot either. The Seahawks have Drew Lock and Geno Smith, but neither of those guys has shown any serious amount of consistency. Granted, the Falcons are not going to trade the Packers uber talented tight end Kyle Pitts and Gutekunst isn’t going to want D.K. Metcalf’s impending contract, which could wind up being over $22 million a year.
But if the Packers could get a second rounder, that would fit perfectly. Mainly because this isn’t a top-heavy draft with plenty of elite prospects. This is a draft that is filled with quality at the mid-level. The Packers could trade Love and get defensive tackle Travis Jones and wide receiver Christian Watson in the second round.
And don’t worry about the backup quarterback, because he’s already on the roster. It’s Kurt Benkert’s time. I really like Benkert’s mobility and from what I’ve seen, the players respond to him.
It’s all setting up perfectly for Gutekunst and the Packers. Now he just has to swallow hard and make the final decision. You can say by doing that trade means that drafting Love was a mistake, but this is the best way to flip the script.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (300)
stockholder
April 19, 2022 at 06:36 am
I get it. I agree with it. I just wish you wouldn't have wrote it.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:32 am
Not for a two pick. Seattle could be the trade partner if players are involved.
TheVOR
April 19, 2022 at 10:57 am
Why wish he hadn’t said it? Dude needs to be moved. He can make all the throws? Sure, damned be the fact that he’s inaccurate in doing so. He’s not an NFL QB and will be out of the league within 3-4 years. Get any value you can, package the dude in any trade scenario that nets a serviceable WR
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm
You're going to have to find something other than "inaccurate".
The fact is that after two seasons in the NFL, he's completed more passes at a higher percentage than Aaron Rodgers at the same point in his career.
You can dislike Love, or the selection of him, for whatever reason you want, but the "inaccurate" stuff simply isn't supported by the facts.
Bitternotsour
April 19, 2022 at 08:30 pm
oh sure. now you're bringing logic and facts into the argument. that is totally unfair.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 07:54 am
STUPID. NO.
Jordan Love can make every throw, from any platform. He was the most accurate passer in all of college football in 2018, when he had all of his starters. He had the most powerful arm in his draft class 2020, more powerful than Joe Burrow. He’s had 2 years of system development under Matt LaFleur.
If your judgement of Love is colored by his 2019 season under a new HC, Gary Andersen (I should be able to stop right here), in a new system, losing 4 of his 5 starters on OL, losing all 3 of his starting WRs… ???
If your judgement is colored by Love’s first NFL start, where his own HC, Matt LaFleur admitted to have done a horrible job of play calling, dialing up the AR pass, pass, pass plan vs. the NFL’s worst run D…? Failing to make any in-game protection adjustments on his OL…???
Neither of those situations are fair, and neither are representative of Love’s true abilities. His 2018 tape is something you need to go and look at right now. While you’re at it, look at his stats, and compare them to Aaron Rodgers’ best season’s stats at Cal.
Wow.
We traded up for Love because he was the perfect fit to run LaFleur’s offense. Trade him now, and we’re in a really bad place needing, again, to add the successor with a top pick. Or, rather, TOP PICKS, PLURAL.
NO.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 08:19 am
Thank you for saying that. Trading Love would be stupid. I doubt like hell that the 1265 Braintrust has any interest.
If Rodgers gets injured...always a possibility on a 39 year old man......then Love becomes our most important player. He's had two years in the system, so let's replace him with a guy who has zero years in the system. Stupid. This is stupid.
murf7777
April 19, 2022 at 08:52 am
GG….I agree, trading Love is just stupid.
Many of us don’t realize this, but few would’ve traded a 1st for Brett Favre except our own GM named Wolf. Wolf loved Favre and was upset he missed him as the GM of the Jets the prior year. All Favre did during his rookie year at the Atlanta Falcons was throw 4 passes with 2 INT’s. He was over weight, drank and partied a lot, came to meetings late and was out of favor with their HC who begged his GM to get rid of him.
What made Wolf love Favre? His big arm was reason number 1. Certainly, it wasn’t his 50% college completion rate. I’m sure Wolf had other reasons and I won’t try to elaborate on his thoughts.
I wonder if Atlanta regrets trading Favre for a 1st round draft pick…..LOL
From what I understand Rodgers new deal is year to year, meaning he could be traded after this year. Unless, the FO and HC feel strongly Love doesn’t have “it”, then you keep him and continue to develop his abilities.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 09:06 am
Do the Packers regret not trading Rodgers and sticking with Favre?
I don't think so. And Rodgers is essentially year to year at this point. Love could easily be the starter by this time next year.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 11:04 am
SO true. THAT's what we should be planning for. Surround the kid with the best talent we can find. Let Rodgers drive that car for a year. If he lands in the Winner's Circle, maybe he drives it another year...
Regardless, the plan for succession was solid the day they traded a measly R4 to jump up to Pick # 26 and take Love in 2020, the Franchise QB they dreamed of adding if at all possible. They targeted him before that draft. His falling within range that day had the Packers Personnel Dept. doing cartwheels.
Stick with the plan.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 11:16 am
And that's why I'm so all-in on assembling the best group of offensive players I can. Let's put the strongest offense we can on the field, for Rodgers this year and whoever next year. We can win with offense controlling the clock and scoring points. We return everybody from last year's very good defense, and we can probably pick up some depth in FA or roster cutdowns.
Get 8 picks in the Top 140. 3WRs, 2 OL, 2 TEs, 1 RB. Load up the offensive roster. We lost 5 guys from last year's offense.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 11:27 am
This draft is all about the offensive side of the ball and toss in a CB with the third for the dime spot. Some of the Competition have loaded up on draft picks and the Gutedkunst's choices have to hit home. Not much room for error.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 01:34 pm
To amplify on that, we draft our #1 WR, who I think should be Burks. We trade down #28 to get an extra second and third, which gives us 8 picks in the Top 140.
On the second day, we have 5 picks, and we could get two blue chip Oline guys, another WR, a top TE, and a top RB.(I like Spiller at #59) Add these guys to our existing gameday roster.
And we still have Day 3. But if you added, for example, Burks, Pickett, Ruckert, Spiller, Salyer and Tyler Smith to our existing gameday roster, you end up with something that looks like this:
QB: Rodgers, Love, 2 active.
RB: Jones, Dillon, Spiller, Taylor 3 active.
WR: Burks, Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, Pickett, Amari, 5 active.
TE: Lewis, DeGuara, Ruckert....eventually Tonyan. 3 active.
OL; Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Nijman, Salyer, Smith, Hanson, ???? Eventually Jenkins. 8 active.
That's what our gameday offensive roster looks like. I'll take this group of 21 any day of the week. I think a decent coach with a decent defense can win games with this group.
We can assemble a really powerful offensive roster with this draft that we can win with now and in the future. I'm all in.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 02:14 pm
Try this beauty on for size...
22 OT Tyler Smith
28 OT/OG Derrick Kinnard
53 WR Velus Jones
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 DT Perrion Winfrey
132 WR Erik Ezukanma
140 WR Bo Melton
171 EDGE Alex Wright
228 S Markquese Bell
249 NT Noah Elliss
258 OG Jason Poe
It's a Masterpiece, if Gutekunst could pull that off.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 04:28 pm
For the Vikings....
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 09:06 pm
Uh-uh-uhhhh!
You’re not digging Bo Melton, are you? Hating how high I’m willing to take the next Tyreke Hill? Completely underwhelmed by EZ???
I think you might be surprised by all three if you dig deeper.
Can you imagine being a Top WR, and your QB not being up to the task with any consistency?
How else does a WR rank #19 amongst Power 5 WRs over a 2 year span in deep receptions, yet #2 in uncatchable targets? From 2017-2019, no Power 5 WR ranked higher in uncatchable targets. That was one awful QB Melton had at Rutgers.
His separation in the 86th percentile. Great route running and understanding. Speedy. Shifty. 4.34… Double digits in broken tackles the last two years.
+ SPEED. + QUICKS. EXPLOSIVE. ROUTES. SEPARATION. TOUGH. YAC.
Ranks #5 overall in After Catch Production.
Is that not what is required in LaFleur’s system? He can literally do it all, including taking the top off a defense.
SpikeHyzer
April 20, 2022 at 04:03 pm
Cap analysts I've read say the Pack can only afford to sign 8 players.
Which makes it time to trade UP.
They likely have to jettison 3 picks and it would make sense to get rid of the pair of 4ths and move up from both picks in the 1st to get truly elite talent at 2 positions (I say try to get the best WR and EDGE you can for those picks). Then maybe trade a 7th by packaging it with the 5th to move up at least a few slots from there if they have someone they like.
They aren't going to draft 11 rooks, much less 13.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 04:50 pm
There are all sorts of speculative opinions on the wide world of web. If there is a trade up it would probably be for Wilson, Olave or Burks. No one can really read the minds of the QB needy teams. This is where the Love trade talk starts from. Some excess picks can be used on a player from another team via trade, etc. If they hit the #22 guy, all is well. Then #28 can be a move down into the second, but it has to be into the upper 30s, or they miss on
the other top wides. The more we hallucinate and run these simulations the more I would hang with the One Picks and keep the 5 year options. I would mine the first five and keep the fours w/out worry to fill the depth chart. If they are better players they replace the current salaries.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 02:46 am
Players drafted after round 4 won't cost anything.
Only 1st cost a fair amount. $2.8M for 22nd pick.
Just $1.15M for pick 59.
$971K and $905K for the 3rd and 4th rounders.
So, whoever wrote that the Packers can only afford to sign 8 draft picks (assuming you've have represented what they wrote accurately) is someone you should never read again.
SpikeHyzer
April 20, 2022 at 04:08 pm
It was a fan site that had the entire signed roster's dollar value indicated. Reliable writer who never gets anything wrong.
He said that there is no possible way the Pack can afford to sign more than 8 Rooks and thus will have to move picks.
Which I support anyway, as we are in a rare position to add a pair of elite talents at a pair of positions by improving each of our firsts by 5 or more slots.
We've been in cap heck for years. The budget is tight. I know this writer is correct (and may even have been quoting someone legit from the MSM).
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 04:48 pm
I really would hope Lewis retires. Kolar and Krull are bad boys that play Inline and can work the zones. I loved Marcedes coming out of UCLA and he put the JAGs into the playoffs with a big performance, but his route running skills are on the wane. We will see his level of desire as Camp is in session and he fight s off competition for a spot.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:07 pm
LH i wouldnt even go that heavy on offense. That defense is 1 or 2 players away from being dominant. Not just good, but absolutely suffocating. The kind of defense nobody wants to play, especially not in Lambeau in December or January. With 5 picks in rounds 2-4, theres still more than enough ammo to get the offense what it needs to improve. If I'm Gutekunst, I'm targeting defense with both 1st round picks and maybe a 2nd rounder too unless theres just not any defensive players left near the top of their board when drafting at those picks. I would even consider trading up for a guy like Jermaine Johnson if he falls out of the top 10 as some are predicting. The offensive talent in this draft is plentiful. The defensive talent is top heavy. Get those defensive guys early.
murf7777
April 19, 2022 at 02:45 pm
I agree about the D...as they say D wins championships..
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 05:05 pm
And yet, we just lost a playoff game where the defense didn't give up a TD.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 06:53 pm
Seems silly when you think about it that way, but I think jimmy g playing through shit weather with a badly sprained throwing shoulder (which he just had to have surgically repaired) and a torn ligament in his throwing hand had plenty to do with how the defense looked that game. The defense definitely took a step forward last year but it still wasnt elite after fading down the stretch. Theyre 1 or 2 good-to-great players away from really becoming elite imo. They will most likely have an opportunity to add those 2 guys. It just comes down to what they value more. My money is on them drafting some combination of pass rusher, olineman, or secondary player with their 2 1st round picks. David Ojabo and Daxton Hill in the 1st and Christian Harris in the 2nd sounds real nice to me.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 03:38 pm
This might be one way to roll that...
22 CB Andrew Booth Jr.
28 S Lewis Cine
53 WR Velus Jones
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 TE Jelani Woods
132 OT Braxton Jones
140 OT Thayer Munford
171 EDGE Alex Wright
228 WR Bo Melton
249 EDGE Ali Fayad
258 WR Deven Thompkins
NickPerry
April 20, 2022 at 06:58 am
"Regardless, the plan for succession was solid the day they traded a measly R4 to jump up to Pick # 26 and take Love in 2020"
Thank you!!! My God, people make SO much out of the "Extra Pick" the Packers gave up when they drafted Love and you've described it perfectly... A MEASLY 4th rounder. Some people make it sound as if they gave up Hershel Walker type value.
It was a 4th rounder folks!!
blondy45
April 19, 2022 at 03:45 pm
I do not know what Cory is thinking! STUPID! The Pack has the best QB situation in the NFL right now. You don't trade a developing QB who is the back-up to a 39-year-old deva, who may be gone next year. So, Cory, Ross Uglem, & some other Love haters on this site think getting a 2nd round pick is what the Pack needs to do? STUPID! Love would be the top QB selected this year based on his numbers coming out 3 years ago. We shall all see the QB needy teams tripping over themselves to more than likely draft 2-4 QB's this year in the first round! Already teams have mortgaged their future prior to the draft for vet QB's that their old teams grew tired of. I do not want to be in that position. Some fans think we are screwed at the WR position this year. No, we will find what we need come September. The WR position is always more easily fixed than the QB position. Maybe Cory overheard Rodgers requesting Gute to trade Love for a player he wants? STUPID, STUPID.STUPID! Stay away from training camp Aaron, you do not need to mesh with your teammates. The more Love gets reps, the much better the Pack will be. Gute, do not pay any attention to that man behind the wizard of OZ curtain. He does not have control, you do! In Gute I trust.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 09:36 am
Yeah, murf.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers traded Rodgers in a blockbuster deal on draft day with terms to be finalized after June 1.
All the Giants have done this last year is stockpile draft picks... and, this is one of the weakest draft classes for QB in decades. Not one of them are legit R1 prospects, but, as everyone can imagine, of course, there might be 4 taken Day 1.
#5, 7, 36, 67, 81, 112, 147, 173 and 182. They were the #2 team projected 11 months ago as the most likely trade destination behind DEN, during all that hubbub.
I just can't believe ANYONE could watch Jordan Love's highlights from 2018, compare his 2018 stats to Aaron Rodgers best year at Cal, and not walk away completely impressed and excited to have him in GB. The guy has taken so much crap from "fans." It boggles the mind. The kid, 22 years old, is entering Year 3 with this team.
Other teams would drool at such good fortune at QB.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:32 am
You hit the nail on the head GG. If I was Jordan Love, I wouldnt even want to be in GB with the way most fans have treated him. Its disgusting tbh. With the daily hate slung in his direction, you would think he was the one held out all summer, demanded more control over the team, had a press conference to trash his own bosses for 30 minutes straight, and held the team hostage for a salary cap destroying contract while saying it isnt about the money. Oh wait, that was the other guy. But the fans still love that guy for reasons i cant fathom.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 10:41 am
I do think Love is smart enough that anyone coming in following a legend is going to take unwarranted heat, big time, including the over the top idiot garbage.
Same happened to Aaron Rodgers. I'm sure Rodgers has shared that with him. Love's bright enough, and confident enough to let it roll off his back. I'm sure of it.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 12:28 pm
Love has handled bigger Life Events than being heckled by barflies.
davekenya
April 19, 2022 at 12:30 pm
What else that's been interesting is reporting that last spring/into summer when AR was 'out' and Love was running the show, he exhibited leadership and decision making in running the team. It was reported that when AR came back, that Love seemed to 'defer' all things to AR (I mean, really, how could you not defer to a reigning MVP and a guy who knows the offensive inside/out).
All this to mean, there may be a bit more of 'it' laying dormant waiting to come out when Love knows it's his team. Until then, he's the understudy and to not rock the boat or anything, is likely playing that role.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:10 pm
I have no doubt he has the maturity to handle it. All I'm saying is, if I was him, I simply wouldnt want to deal with all that. I would want to be somewhere I am wanted. Look at Bears fans. Justin Fields has done next to nothing and yet historically prickly Bears fans are united in their love and support for him. Jordan Love deserves that. I wish Packer fans would give that to him.
Coach Cleve Steamer
April 19, 2022 at 05:45 pm
Why are you so sure of it? You sound creepy. Yuck
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 08:22 pm
Because i have a profound belief in this organization's ability to develop quarterbacks. Many forget, they didnt just develop Rodgers and Favre. They developed Brunell, Hasselbeck, and Aaron Brooks. All 3 were pro bowlers and hasselbeck even started a super bowl. None of them had even a sliver of the natural ability Love has. If having confidence that the organization that has brought us 30 years of excellence is creepy to you, that sounds like a you problem not a me problem.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:14 am
Thumbs up, G&G! It is good to read you love Love, even with those 32 1/2 inch arms :-))
Coach Cleve Steamer
April 19, 2022 at 05:54 pm
Jeez you’re a diva. This is the Packers not the giants. Comparing college players in different conferences, and different competition from defenses, and in a different football eras? Not worth much. Wouldn’t bet on any of your info or opinion. You had Rodgers playing for December this time last year. Love hasn’t taken any crap. He just has not done much to get the fans excited at least Justin Fields looks alive out there. Love still looked like he was still thinking to hard. He might be an ok qb but he’s no exciting, tough as nails baller like Favre was and Rodgers is. Jordan Love is a nice guy and I hope he wins a Super Bowl. Trade his ass.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 08:24 pm
I bet you were one of those fans that hated Rodgers too out of loyalty to Favre. And when Rodgers became awesome, you were first in line for his jersey. You'll be first in line for Love's jersey soon enough.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:53 am
We watched Favre upset Florida State on national television and the 4th quarter win over Alabama. The trade was brilliant. Mana from Heaven and we partied the day through. Thanks Jerry.
mnbadger
April 19, 2022 at 12:28 pm
there's information and eye test material to support both sides of this debate. Like all personnel moves, we have our own individual biases.
Only history will corrrectly answer "what was the right thing to do?"
For now, I'd take another 2nd rounder to add a real good player to this year's roster and roll with Benkert as QB2.
IMO we've already got way too many resources tied up in the QB position. GPG!
Bitternotsour
April 19, 2022 at 08:24 pm
Jesus, is the premise of the article ever stupid. I guess it's stupid season.
Unless you don't believe in the GM or the scouting department, trading Love is absolutely ridiculous.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 06:52 am
I'm in favor, and I'd add that I'd seriously consider picking a QB with that second rounder. That sounds ridiculous, but if someone like Ridder was available, you're getting a more Rodgers-like player than Love, skill wise, to learn from AR, and to be available for four years.
It makes the original pick of Love look worse, but with a couple of 13 win seasons, his selection wasn't very negatively impactful.
However, I would like to see Love for a FIRST round pick, if this situation really exists. If he's better than this year's crop, why settle for a second-rounder?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 07:28 am
PEO,
In agreement should he in fact be traded and if better than QB's projected as 1st rounders in 2022 why would you take anything less than a 1st rounder in return? People are so desperate to get rid of Love. Don't understand!
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 08:35 am
Even if we traded him for a first, we still have to replace him. We aren’t going to be able to afford a vet and there’s no QB in this draft I consider a better bet. There must be some serious Benkert fans out there or people who forget the fun we had with no back up in the late teens.
Love is statistically better than Rodgers at the same point in his Packers career. We are in a win it all year and suddenly we all think Rodgers is invulnerable? Love remains mostly an unknown but he’s a whole lot better than we are likely to get and there’s a good chance out back up sees the field.
There is also no guarantee that Rodgers is back next year. While that’s looking like a much better year for QBs, we will need competition. Love will ideally be part of that. Giving that up comes at a cost.
I’d trade him only if we get an offer so good that it allows us to markedly change the roster this year to an extent that outweighs the downgrade to his replacement if needed. That’s going to be a pretty good offer indeed. If there is a desperate team, they will come to us. Moreover, the greatest desperation may come in summer if a team loses someone to injury. Even from a timing perspective this may not be the best time. Gute can sit back and see if a team reaches out with an offer so good he has to take it. Never say never but don’t cut your nose off to spite your face either.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:13 am
If they moved him, the FO could be looking best case /worse case with Rodgers. If he goes down , they will have better draft position in 2023. They could take the picks garnered for Love and turn them in during this year's draft.
The only way it makes any sense is if Love gave them a trade ultimatum or preference.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 09:30 am
You need to change your handle to PackEyedPessimist.
6 Quarters of NFL football where Love outplayed Mahomes and was more productive than Rodgers vs Detroit...actually leading the team to a lead the D could not hold. Meanwhile, Rodgers foreshadowed his playoff production vs Detroit...IE anemic.
Rodgers sucked his first 3 years as Clements worked to fix his goofy Teford side arm passing. Love has an NFL arm and is a smart young man.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 09:47 am
Agree completely. The last season, and the one before, with all the COVID garbage and poor play calling by LaFleur, really didn't give us fans a representative sample of Love's true value to this Packers team.
Jordan Love is only 22 years old, in Year 3. Remarkable good fortune just to have the kid.
JohnnyLogan
April 19, 2022 at 10:29 am
I'm for keeping Love but the argument that he outplayed Mahomes isn't part of the equation. They both played poorly so what's the point? To try to say that Love has Mahomes potential? The chance that Love is ever going to be as good as Mahomes is about the same as me starting at WR for the Packers this year. Not saying I was great, but I was decent, 50 years ago.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:26 am
The point is simple...using the data on Love after 6 quarters of NFL regular season football to call him a failure and a bust can be applied to Mahomes too...with just a few quarters of data. That would be silly because Mahomes has provided a huge data set of great QB play. The same data Love created in college. He simply need to play more NFL snaps.
I did not say Love has Mahomes potential. You and I simply do not know at this point. At this point in Rodgers career, did you say he had Favre potential?
Let the silly season play out asap.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:23 am
Double post.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 10:35 am
I like Love just fine; I always compare him to Dak Prescott.
The reason I'm good with a trade is I believe Rodgers will be the QB for two to three years, meaning Love's rookie contract may be done while we still have Rodgers. If I'm pessimistic, it's about the cost of re-signing Love. What I'd really like to do, is trade Love for a first round pick next year, so we have the ability to trade up for a better rookie than this year's crop offers.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 11:10 am
Eh. Nothing against you at all, and I always appreciate hearing people's reasonings behind what they would like to see happen. We're all fans, just tossing around our best guesses.
I mean, if a Brinks Truck load of Picks rolls up like it did in Dallas for Hershel Walker...
To me, nothing less will do.
I've never thought you to be pessimistic PEO. Appreciate all your takes here, even if they differ from my own. Those can be really good checks too, taking in all the other perspectives.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 01:17 pm
Thanks.
I'm not sure what BG and MLF really think of Love at this point. I think he can be a winning QB, but are they REALLY completely happy with his growth? Possibly. BG's "He's not ready" comment late last year was a bit eye-widening for me. There was no real upside to BG saying that.
One reason I've liked the idea of picking up a different backup rookie is that I'd like to give Rodgers' successor at least a year to study beneath him, and I'm just not confident that we'll have the cap/cash to sign Love after his current contract runs out. Rookie deal QBs are a huge advantage, and for a cap-Hell team like the Packers, possibly a necessity.
I wasn't a fan of the original Love draft pick, but I was okay with it, since Rodgers had seemed to be fighting the MLF system. But Rodgers came around...somewhat...after Love's selection. I'm just curious to see what BG/MLF do. I'll be fine either way.
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 01:31 pm
Rodgers is here this year. Next year he may not be and maybe it’s Love leading the team.
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 05:23 am
PEO, I never saw Rodgers coming around. I think he was more gentlemanly in his treatment of Love after he was picked, but, I can’t say I’ve seen him really buy into LaFleur’s “system.”
Quite Frankly, I’m left wondering how much LaFleur bought into Rodgers’ “system.” …??? So much so that I can’t really say what LaFleur’s system actually is at this point.
All I know is what we’ve been told about the LaFleur system. There’s been a gross lack of players to employ it. That’s for sure.
I find the “illusion of complexity,” elusive.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:40 am
OK, I apologize...you are an optimist after all if you believe Rodgers will play for 3 more years. I am of the opinion the odds of him retiring after this season are greater than 50/50. He seriously considered it last year and again this offseason. And, should the Pack win a SB this season, I am convinced he would retire.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 01:08 pm
I've wondered also, what the "complicated feller" will do. I think he might retire if they win a Super Bowl...but he might not. He might retire if they have another close miss...or he might not. I have plenty of logical reasons for all four of those outcomes. :-D
I personally think he'll keep playing for the Packers for at least two years to get some more records while hoping for a Super Bowl win.
Will he?
Too complicated to know. :-D
croatpackfan
April 19, 2022 at 03:19 pm
I hope you know that "feller" in German means "mistake".
And Diva looked like "complicated fella", but he is not any more. He is very simple big egoist!
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 04:00 pm
How this season plays out will likely have a major effect on what all sides feel about the future.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:24 am
So you want to trade Love just to draft a lesser talent qb? Where do you people come up with this? Show me where Jordan Love hurt you.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 10:36 am
I'd prefer to trade him for a 2023 first round pick.
I like Love, but we may not be able to resign him.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 06:58 pm
Thats a risk theyre going to have to take because if they trade him now and he breaks out, it will have been a gigantic mistake because his value will absolutely skyrocket and whoever traded for him will have done so for pennies on the dollar. Far worse than keeping him and ending up with a sunken cost of a late 1st and 4th rounder.
egbertsouse
April 19, 2022 at 06:52 am
The first QB off the board? Not with the tape that is out there. And now there are rumors emanating from GB that he lacks leadership qualities. Maybe a 5th round flyer.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 07:00 am
I disagree ("rumors?" Really?). Love's NFL tape is fine. He had a rough game against KC, who had a great defense, when he had only ONE practice to prepare.
Against Detroit, a BUNCH of the starters didn't play.
He has had to sit behind the NFL's MVP of the last two years, whose Prima Donna behavior has forced him to look subservient.
I see a Dak Prescott level player, who absolutely can win with the right cast around him.
I just think his contract is going to run out before he gets to play, and he could have high value this year, as was pointed out. I'd want a first round pick or a high second or I wouldn't pull the trigger on the trade.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:19 am
No less than a first with a two and a four from 2023 if they went in that direction. He has a couple of years under his belt and given his limited playing time has shown he is no Christian Ponder. If I was a team looking for a new QB, Love would fit the mold .
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 07:09 am
Egbert, I think you are referring to #12, no?
"rumors emanating from GB that he lacks leadership qualities"
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 07:01 am
Huh?...what?...I ain't taken the bait CJJ (well, not so hard like a large mouth Bass on opening day anyways).
I am going to turn my hearing aids way down and not let any noise distract me today. Hell, I might even take the suckers out.
I will add before I go to my next photo shoot (I model men's pj's and underwear as a side hustle). Love could, COULD prove as valuable as a good WR taken in the draft... especially if 12 goes down with an injury. He could just be so good, that when people say Jordan...you aren't sure if they are referring to Michael or Love.
Some say I am a dreamer...you damn right I am! Now, go and take a big cHoMp out of the day!
Go, go, gooo...
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 07:10 am
:-D
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 07:13 am
Some say I'm a dreamer, and I MAY BE THE ONLY ONE. :D
GO P-E-O Go!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 07:30 am
LOL!
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 07:12 am
Moving Love makes a ton of sense IF, and only if, the price is right.
GB has a 1st and a 4th and 2 years of NFL developmental exposure invested in Love. recoup that or sit tight.
A 1st below #25 this year and a second next year oughta do it, or some combination of value equal to that. Possibly a little more due to the premiumization of the QB position.
I like Love, I would hate to see him go. But the draft pool and the GB roster/salary cap situation scream "time to move on!"
Guam
April 19, 2022 at 07:56 am
Exactly JB27! Next season the Packers will have a 38/39 year old QB1 who could go down with an injury at any time. But Cory wants to trade his backup for a second round draft choice and give the reins to a practice squader. No thanks. Keep Love unless some team is willing to more than adequately compensate the Packers for their investment.
dobber
April 19, 2022 at 08:08 am
I come back to the point that the option bonus structure of 12's contract makes him more retireable/tradeable than people think. There's a lot of bonus money in that deal that travels with the contract, is flexibly paid out, and doesn't accrue immediately.
This story ain't done...we're going to be living it from January to March for at least the next year or two.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 11:58 am
Let's look at it another way.
Is this team being assembled to give the Packers it's best chance to win a Super Bowl? I believe they tried their best to do so last season, and they are trying again this season, with some deficiencies at WR and OL that need shoring up via draft and roster cuts.
Should the 39 year old starter go down to injury, we have a very capable backup right behind him, in Year 3 of LaFleur's system, about as ready as he'll ever be to take over.
Under normal circumstances, we all would see an injury to Rodgers meaning the certain end of our SB hopes. Not now though.
IF, Kylin Hill returns from his injury healthy, full-go, we would have one very serious 3 headed rushing assault to employ, to take the heat off of Love and our passing game... Kylin Hill was heavily regarded as the best RB in the SEC the year Clyde Edwards-Helaire was drafted R1 by KC. They went on to win the SB with him.
Let's say we draft a player like Olave or Burks at 22, OT Tyler Smith at 28 then take the best RB available to us in the draft, whether that be Tyler Badie, Hassan Haskins, Breece Hall or Pierre Strong R2...??? Add another WR R2 and then an OG R3 or early R4? OL is insanely deep this draft.
Hmm. Gear to run all over the NFL... whether Rodgers likes it or not? Preparing for the FUTURE, which is LOVE?
Going run heavy as a focus this season would actually help Rodgers get a ring, or two, should he stick around to see that through.
Drafting with a run heavy focus would help both Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love, should Rodgers get knocked out of a game, and that focused infusion of talent would be around for years. I've been wanting the Packers to RUN THE ROCK in a dedicated manner since Mike Holmgren with Dorsey Levens & Edgar Bennett...
Still wear my Bennett #34 jersey. Proudly.
This team is pretty well stacked, and so is this draft where we need some players. The playoffs, in my eyes, seem perfectly realistic in this scenario. And then, anything can happen.
We're in that "anything can happen," kind of trajectory now anyways, because the Super Bowl Championship Team people want on paper this year ain't happenin'... No team wins it all in April anyway. BUT, I think we're close enough where we can reach the playoffs and compete, whether it's Rodgers or Love at QB.
22 WR Treylon Burks
28 OT Tyler Smith
53 RB Breece Hall
59 LB Troy Andersen
93 WR Alec Pierce
132 EDGE Joshua Paschal
140 S Kerby Joseph
171 TE/H Chig Okonkwo
228 OT Cordell Volson
249 OT Spencer Burford
258 WR Darren Thompkins*
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Lately, every mock has Pierce going around #33-43. I still prefer him over Watson for the WCO along with Olave. It should be a Walsh draft and get three WRs in any case. Haskins is a Levens type and they Need a Fullback to make the engine turn.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm
I like Pierce quite a lot. We'll see if they can snap him up. I do use a number of mocks to get a read on where players might be available... top 100s etc, and the moment I put that up, being an older one I put together, saw him there and questioned it immediately...
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm
It was even difficult to move down from #22 to garner picks from the #30s-40. I was getting Devin lloyd quite a bit @ #22, as the top five were gone. If they want one of them the brain trust will have to move up in front of #18.
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 04:56 am
Most recent cbssports 7 round has Pierce going to GB at 92. The Sporting News has him being taken at 105. That was yesterday. I like him over Watson too, for a number of reasons, but they’re both close, and I do believe both belong in this area of the draft - closer to their rankings in Top 100-300s. Athlon’s. Ourlads. TSN. All 3 time tested resources.
How much weight do we put on mocks? All mocks are wrong after all. Mere guesses. I like checking them, as many as are available, add in the overall player rankings from the 3 above, and that kind of tells me range for players.
Guessing where players might be available, I always like factoring in a +/- range the deeper we get into drafts as well. I think early on, after the Top 20-25 picks of any draft, you can throw a +/- of 5 slots for any player. Day 2, I always consider +/- 10. Day 3, +/- 10-20…
R6-7 may seem throw away to some, but real gems can be and often are found in those rounds. I like seeing Gutekunst win this section of the draft as much as the early round sections. R4-5 I consider a section. Not sure why, but I have for decades. Maybe because slotting still a thing there before everybody starts slipping on banana peels.
Doesn’t mean much if you get really married to a player, because position runs do happen. All kinds of crazy, out of nowhere choices get made R1-R7. The player you love and have been counting on being there R3? POOF! Gone at #27 overall. A lot of that stuff every year.
I love seeing teams reach in the moment for popular but, lesser talents, allowing a favorite, much needed player fall closer to us.
Worst, is when your draft crush just fell to GB, and they take Demarious Randall, Kevin King… Khyri Thornton… Datone Jones…
Bigger point, know the position group, not just the player. Knowing alternative players as a plan B, C, D helps. There might faster WRs than your own personal crush with better ball skills, hands, blah, blah.
And, even then… half of us are like, “Please, please, please take _____________!!!”
— Deep Draft Thoughts, by Jack Tandy
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 04:54 am
"Worst, is when your draft crush just fell to GB, and they take Demarious Randall, Kevin King… Khyri Thornton… Datone Jones…"
I thought I would get some push back when I wrote that I have to summon what maturity I have when GB drafts Josh Myers and one pick later my crush at the exact same position is drafted by someone else - Creed H.
Oh well, they took Gary instead of Burns or really Simmons or Dexter Lawrence, and that worked out well. Burns or Lawrence would have also worked pretty well, but Gary has a real chance to be something special.
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 05:02 am
Right??? I wanted Creed Humphrey too!
Summoning maturity as a self protection mechanism… hmmm. Thanks, TGR!!! I’ll give that ay whirl this year.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:19 am
Man, that was painful last year. I was on here thumping on the table for Humphrey for months, I considered him for the FIRST round pick--then they took Myers. :-(
I wanted Burns and didn't like Gary, but I think that has been a wash, though Gary has actually become the kind of edge I prefer over Burns.
I was pained by all the others you mentioned as well. #draftPTSD
:-D
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:22 am
Good post.
"Bigger point, know the position group, not just the player. Knowing alternative players as a plan B, C, D helps. There might faster WRs than your own personal crush with better ball skills, hands, blah, blah."
That's what I keep saying about this year's WR class, for instance, I strongly believe Khalil Shakir will have a much better career that Alec Pierce.
LLCHESTY
April 19, 2022 at 04:00 pm
You missed the Ahman Green years? Holmgren drove me nuts in 1998. Levens would be having a good game and Holmgren would totally go away from in the 3rd quarter to try the "mad scientist" offensive Guru stuff before getting back to Levens when the chips were down.
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 05:07 am
I met Ahman. Came in to visit my painting studio with another dear friend maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Great guy.
Sherman didn’t know what the hell he was doing with Ahman Green. Maybe Favre checked out of run plays like Rodgers does now. All I know is we left Super Bowls on the table because we didn’t run Ahman Green more.
Good call, LLCHESTY!
murf7777
April 19, 2022 at 09:07 am
JB, the question is how much is enough? Does Atlanta regret trading Favre to us for a 1st? Would they still regret if it was two 1st? The answer is obvious. Now, more than ever the QB is the most important position in all of sports. Unless, they are totally not sold on Love you keep him till proven otherwise.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 10:53 am
Good points Murph, however let's look at this a different way.
Lets look at what is taken away and not at what might be, look at the present and not into the future.
Jordan Love is a young QB who needed seasoning when he was drafted. He has had SOME of that seasoning and has NOT shown to be ready to have the reins full time right now, although he has shown progress in his needed seasoning despite some circumstances beyond his control. (IMO).
The present Jordan Love could be moved for an appropriate amount of compensation given the investment already made in him (as stated in my previous post) IF the team is OK with his future PERHAPS becoming significantly better than present circumstances might indicate (like Favre in Atl).
IF the GBP have more faith in Loves development into an asset worth more than what they have currently invested in him, no matter the location that development occurs in, you do not move him UNLESS for a significant compensation package (doubtful to get any takers without some more proven NFL level successes) and you commit to a developmental timeline that allows him to become a player for your franchise given the salary cap and his current contract.
IF you are willing to take a compensation package equal to what is invested at this point, you cannot look into the future and say shoulda-coulda-woulda. You make the decision and move forward. The moving forward would involve investing in another young, coachable QB to be groomed for the future and you ride that horse until it pays off or busts out.
Welcome to the NFL. Players come and players go.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 01:23 pm
I agree with everything you said here.
SpikeHyzer
April 19, 2022 at 03:19 pm
Why do so many get the equation wrong on draft trades?
When you trade 2 picks for 1, you still get ONE BACK.
Since 1sts are basically closer to equal than all other pick evals, you've only invested ONE PICK in that player. It was the 4th that was given up as the two firsts cancel each other out essentially.
The 2 years of development are key, but then he has to go to a system similar to our own and he loses value on the rest of the market (and we better hope not to face him in the playoffs down the road).
So, expecting 2 picks back for him is ludicrous.
He's more valuable than any draft eligible QB, and he's more valuable than his original slot, so we should expect only to get a 1st round draft pick this year that is better than his original slot.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 02:55 am
Spent a first and a fourth on Love. Sounds like two picks to me.
SpikeHyzer
April 20, 2022 at 03:54 pm
It's called the transitive property of math and all national draft analysts use it properly.
When you get one back it cancels out one of the ones you sent out (the nearest, being of CLOSE to the same value).
Thus the REAL (think of it like eFG% in basketball) adjusted loss is only one pick.
You are giving up ONE pick in order to get a HIGHER slot, but you are not giving up two picks in total to get none.
The net loss is and will always be ONE pick.
Packers0808
April 19, 2022 at 07:10 am
Weird as it may sound but in reality there are good straight up arguments for both of these routes for Love and the Packers. Neutral here on my part, great cop out huh? Either makes plenty of sense.
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 07:18 am
Not at all Packers0808...the needle doesn't have to be all the way to the left or to the right. Being neutral is sound judgement in my opinion as well. I
Neutral = Swiss cheese.
With the right compensation for Love, I get it...I just actually want him to have a chance to prove himself a worthy starter or not. Hopefully with GB, if the coaches know he has a real chance to succeed post- Rodgers.
Okay, pulling the hearing aids out, again!
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 10:56 am
so a positive needle is cheddar and negative is limburger?
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:01 am
Oh come on J-Blood! Cheez Whiz, get with the program! :D
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:19 am
you, sir - need more sophistication in your cheese worldview
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 11:51 am
Spray Cheese is my jam, man...
Who needs crackers? Just spray it straight into your head.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:19 pm
ears?
eyes?
nose?
You, Sir... are one sick puppy.
We need to party!
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 06:28 pm
"straight into your head" made me laugh so hard I had two snot rods dangling like a drunk elves lil legs...
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:52 am
Well, my slice of cheese slid off the cracker a looong time ago. :D
Packers0808
April 19, 2022 at 01:27 pm
Positive is All American.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 04:42 pm
It is the Business of Sports, not Pee Wees.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 07:25 am
I mean seriously? When does this non-sense stop?
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 07:57 am
When we win it all, Knock the Snot...when we win the whole enchilada! My dream is, Rodgers and the team are up at the end of the 3rd quarter. Rodgers has to come out for a minor technical issue with his audio (helmet). Love comes in, see-saw lead changes and wins it on a back shoulder fade to Cobb as time expires (an audible from Love at the line of scrimmage). The team and fans are in total jubilation!!! All parties are happy. Hell yeah!
Oh, and the MVP of the Superbowl is Rodgers and Love. Co-MVPs baby!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:21 am
Lol
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 10:25 am
Style Points Awarded for levity. Chef's kiss.
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 10:53 am
It's you GG...I was looking for Big 66! I like the new image though...both kinda scare the hell out of me...but both powerful Leaders. One by example on the field, the other, on the sidelines.
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 11:33 am
Yeah, my friend, Scott made it when he started PackerPalace.com back in the day... I changed to this in his honor the other day, when a discussion made me think of him.
Damn, if you knew him, is was a superstar. Taken off this Earth way too young by the C. I'll never forget the fun stuff he built out for Packers fans across the world every week during the SB XXXI era. OMG. The guy was a riot, and a brilliant creative who worked at SONY MUSIC.
The weekly animations for our next opponent? STELLAR. Can't get the one with Zeppelin's Moby Dick starts playing as Vince Lombardi comes flying in on a chopper to save the day...
Wow. Top shelf works... Anyhow, he built that image of Lombardi with the leatherhead...
I've got another he did laying around here somewhere of Ted Nugent with Vince Lombardi's face, and a G on his guitar strap. Genius stuff.
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:55 am
His energy is still out and about on this spinning orb. So cool that you respect him as much as you do...
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 11:01 am
I thought I was optimistic... Lol...
(LOVE it though.)
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:57 am
Stay B-Dog, stay! :D
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 06:54 pm
I'm digging you Pantz!
I'd go on to add....
And as a result it is a transformational moment for Love pushing Rodgers out for a trade with draft choices in return as Love goes on for a very successful 15+ year career with the Pack afterwards.
dobber
April 19, 2022 at 07:31 am
Apparently by opening CHTV this morning I time-warped back to about March 9.
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 08:44 am
It was daft then. Some things don’t improve with age.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 07:32 am
I mean seriously? When does this non-sense stop? If traded they had best make the most out of it and get sufficient value in return and to me at least a 1st rounder in 2022.
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 11:23 am
The thing I keep coming back to is:
Love is (IMO) better than any QB coming out this year. So if the Panthers, Texans, Falcons, Seahawks, Steelers, Saints, or Lions feel they have to take a QB in the 1st round this year, why not trade that pick you would use on a QB for Love?
Every QB needy team has a guy that can suit up this year and play QB, so if they want to wait until next year to draft a QB, no problem. The problem comes when a team feels they have to have a QB this year.
I'm sorry, I'm not drafting any of the guys this year in the 1st round. I know someone will, but I wouldn't. Maybe Malik Willis to the Steelers in the #20 overall pick, but I still think teams would be silly not to approach Gutey about Love.
I don't think Gutey will give Love away, because I think he truly believes in him, but if the Steelers offered Gutey #20 overall, I think that might be a win for both teams.
Will be fun to see what happens, but it wouldn't shock me if Gutey traded Love during the draft. Won't surprise me if he turns down some decent trade offers for Love either.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 05:34 pm
Bird,
Not sure when/what I would consider trading Love for in terms of draft capital if I was Gutey. Would depend on the Packers assessment of Love.
I'd say it depends on who is available in the draft at a particular spot in round 1. At the 20th spot I'd start thinking about it but it would need to be higher. Probably top 15 spot but even then I don't know if I could pull trigger. I believe Love will be a good QB in the league for over 10-years.
White92
April 19, 2022 at 12:53 pm
Ain't no sane GM gonna give a 1st rounder for Love. Pretty sure most GMs draft the best player available and not lock themselves into drafting a position regardless of how mediocre that player is, so I doubt any of the teams mentioned below would give their first round pick for Love.
The worst thing a GM can do is hold on to his mistake, and Love was definitely a mistake. A second round pick would probably asking a lot and a 3rd or 4th likely more realistic.
Starrbrite
April 19, 2022 at 07:38 am
Exactly what I believe Cory—trade Love; we can draft a QB next year.
As you say (and I agree), Benkert imo appears to have some very good upside. Via trade, an additional starting DT and/or LB would allow more flexibility in the draft.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 10:07 am
Benkert has "very good upside" based on what, exactly?
His 5 year journeyman career where he has NEVER been the backup? You have seen infinitely less of him in regular season Packer football vs Love and you have deemed him the backup for an NFL SB candidate?
SMH.
dobber
April 19, 2022 at 10:37 am
The old axiom that everyone's favorite player is the backup QB has now been modified to be third-string...
croatpackfan
April 19, 2022 at 03:29 pm
Are you comedian? If not you should be worrisome...
PatrickGB
April 19, 2022 at 07:45 am
A lot of “what if’s”, “how about’s”, “I wonder”, “why not”, “what do you think?” speculation. Makes my head hurt.
mrtundra
April 19, 2022 at 07:51 am
How unfair is this to Love? Why trade him? We have not even seen him play other than a tiny bit when Rodgers went out. Did you naysayers say the same about trading Rodgers when he sat behind Favre, for three years? Jordan Love will be a solid QB for us, so give him a chance. How out of touch can people get? Sounds like the same type of crowd that wanted to pull Clay Matthews out of retirement, when he was way past his prime, just because they liked him as a Packer. Wake up, people!
Fubared
April 19, 2022 at 08:22 am
Weve seen him play and so have the coaches thus, 50 mil to keep the old guy around a few more years until they can figure out what the hell are they going to do.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:18 am
Hes played 6 quarters. And in those 6 quarters, he outplayed Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City and brought the Packers back from the double digit deficit he inherited from Rodgers and the starters to take the lead late in the 4th qtr against the Lions and he did that with backups. But hes a bum. Lets trade him and fire everyone because reasons.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:37 am
Facts are stubborn things...and using them over emotion is, well, a Return to Sanity.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:02 am
69 passer rating against KC.
64 passer rating against Detroit.
Love doesn't play against Mahomes. There is no direct comparison there.
Facts and stats are plentiful and can be used to argue in both directions.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:45 am
This is the Jimmy G scenario.
Oppy
April 19, 2022 at 10:04 am
Yes, it's the same naysayers who said Rodgers was a no-talent bum and wanted him gone during his first year as a starter.
Yes, it's the same type of crowd who wanted to pull Clay Matthews out of retirement to play a position Matthews said he didn't want to play.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 10:46 am
Or who thought Adam's was a bust or Gary a bust. Same people!
When is more likely than not that Rodgers gets hurt this year. When Jordan comes in and plays well these same people will still try finding something wrong...anything wrong.
HawkPacker
April 19, 2022 at 08:00 am
Cory, I think your reasoning is flawed. You are saying that Love is rated as a 90 which is right behind a few of the early 1st round quarterbacks the last few years. Also, you state that he is rated higher than a couple of quarterbacks this year that will go early in the first round--at least before pick 15.
Green Bay moved up in the first round to select Love.
After reading the first part of your article, I fully expected you to say that GB should get a team's first round pick in a trade for Love but you are saying a 2nd rounder.
That surprised me and I totally disagree with your logic.
dblbogey
April 19, 2022 at 08:37 am
I always disagree with Cory's logic.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:00 am
Cory's Logic... hmmmm let's see...
Jumbo Shrimp
Military Intelligence
fighting for peace is like screwing for chastity
fits right in...
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:04 am
I know it's going to be a good day when people come up to me and say,"nice to see ya in men's clothes again pants burp!" Yep, gonna be a golden graham kinda day!
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:18 am
some days I really feel for Cory.
I know it is his job here at chtv to be the designated shit-stirrer, but the abuse he takes for that job is just hilarious - to me!
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 12:13 pm
CHTV playlist #1 Hit when Cory articles hit the interwebs: https://youtu.be/wmin5WkOuPw
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:21 pm
suspicion confirmed!
exactly how often do you move out of the dark spaces you inhabit?
Fubared
April 19, 2022 at 08:20 am
I agree and think we could get a six pack of miller and an 8th round pick. Who in the hell would want this guy. When the analyst are scratching there heads at how an unknown who played very little in a conference with no name got to be a one pick? Ya he will be in demand
dobber
April 19, 2022 at 08:25 am
"When the analyst are scratching there heads at how an unknown who played very little in a conference with no name got to be a one pick?"
Do you sit up at night just making shit up?
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 09:08 am
Cookie! Thanks, Since '61
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 09:36 am
You are not just a pain...you are a pain akin to 3 days of constipation.
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 11:34 am
I just imagined Eddie Murphy in Beverley Hills Cop...
He's more like: "Herpes Simplex 10..."
Always around making you itch.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 09:43 am
When you put down the Jug, put on the headset and we can scream a list of the Hundreds of Players from the Mountain West Conference in the NFL @High-Volume.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:14 am
Thats why they're "analysts" and not making decisions for an NFL team. Turn the tv off man. The suit wearing jockos dont know what theyre talking about.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:02 am
yeah, like the guy from Liberty schmiberty or whatever school that is that is now projected as the first QB to be selected in this years draft...
know-nothing douchnozzle...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:19 pm
bUt He LoOkEd GrEaT aT tHe CoMbInE!!!
AnotherPackFan
April 19, 2022 at 08:41 am
For the right price, everyone is up for trade. I doubt that Love will generate enough interest to generate an offer that makes a trade worthwhile for the Packers.
But for those who are howling that we should not trade Love, would you really hold on to him if some team offers a good package?
The real debate would be on what a "fair" trade for Love would be.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:49 am
Would you hold onto Rodgers with the treasure chest offering from the Broncos?
The Packers did.
Lphill
April 19, 2022 at 12:12 pm
Rumor mill is Love to Seattle for Lockett and there 2 nd round pick.
White92
April 19, 2022 at 12:56 pm
That'd be the biggest theft since the Louisiana purchase
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 03:52 pm
If that trade is even remotely accurate the Packers should on it ASAP! Thanks, Since '61
JimDelGaizoGuy
April 19, 2022 at 09:06 am
Weighing in on some data (Take it for what it's worth):
Rodgers: First first three seasons (2005, 2006,2007),
Passing: 59 attempts, 35 completions, 329 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.
Rushing: 11 attempts, 47 yards
Benkert: First four seasons (2018, 2019, 2020-DNP. 2021)
Passing 0 attempts, 0 completions, 0 yards,
Rushing: 2 attempts, -1 yards (kneel downs)
Love: First two seasons (2020- DNP, 2021),
Passing: 64 attempts, 36 completions, 411yards, 2 TD, 3 INT.
Rushing: 12 attempts, 27 yards
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 10:03 am
Facts are stubborn things!
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 11:11 am
So are many of us.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:13 am
So, in roughly the same attempts Love had double the TDs and triple the INTs that AR put up?
I don't doubt his facts, but I don't infer diddly squat from them. I don't know whether Love will develop or not. He can sling the ball and moves pretty well. I just think something like 60% to 80% of being an NFL QB is between the ears, being able to learn from mistakes, being coachable. That's hard to judge. The sample size is just too small. The game plans were not tailored to suit Love. The team and its personnel were not assembled with Love in mind.
TarynsEyes
April 19, 2022 at 10:07 am
One of these things is not like the other.
The problem with using an infantile measuring stick is the same reason why stats are not and shouldn't be the deciding answer to players' ability. Numerically one could claim that only one is not like the other two, but to use this as validation that the other two are alike is fraudulent thinking, and the use of the infantile system employed to make a case is, um, infantile.
Even Sesame Street would laugh at this level of use of 'One thing is not like the other".
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:36 am
Thats a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 11:20 am
Yeah, sounds like word salad to me. Why is this an infantile measuring stick? What measure would be non-infantile?
All of the objective data....ALL of it....points to Love being well ahead of Rodgers after two years in the league. Denying that is ......infantile.
TarynsEyes
April 19, 2022 at 11:55 am
A huge majority of a QBs stats are based on what another player did or didn't do. A pass of 3 yards turns into a pass of 50 'if' the receiver is able to make a defender miss a tackle or his route gets him free from the coverage. Yac is added on to the QBs passing yards and shouldn't be, less the actual deep pass of significant yardage, and why it's a false positive to a QBs actual ability. Hence, does the WR make the QB, or does the QB make the WR? Rodgers's accuracy makes the WR, Love isn't making anything, hence one of these things is not like the other is a false positive used for Love in comparison to Rodgers, and a narrative that other teams understand and why the trade value of Love isn't enriching for the Packers to do so.
MainePackFan
April 19, 2022 at 04:18 pm
This post was much more logical, and well written, than the "infantile" nonsense you previously posted. Well done, and I agree with the gist of what you said here.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:53 am
Very much like a Kommie Harris comment...sans the hysterical laughter.
Brobeserk
April 19, 2022 at 11:21 am
What? The game of football is about stats. Almost all games are about stats, if not all of them. Ridiculous!
TarynsEyes
April 19, 2022 at 12:06 pm
You see only the stats and not who and how makes them. Love isn't creating anything or anyone. Rodgers has and does still. To make Love equal to Rodgers based on before starter stats is absurd when one can clearly see the level of ability in the short time compared is as lopsided as anything could possibly be. Perhaps watching the tape of Rodgers and Love in their pre-stater time will enlighten you and others about what is not seen in Love and what was clearly seen in Rodgers's future. Ignore the stats and tell me you see in Love what was seen in Rodgers.
The reason why Rodgers falling to the Packers was a once-in-a-lifetime get, and Love is closer to just another yearly over-hyped draft loss.
davekenya
April 19, 2022 at 12:39 pm
Are you saying Rodgers benefited from off season QB program that the new NFL players contract does not allow -- and so Love has not benefited from? That COVID limited in-person reps a year ago for Love that AR benefited from at start of his career?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 10:47 am
BF,
Awesome!
Thanks!
SpikeHyzer
April 19, 2022 at 03:24 pm
Yep, anyone who doesn't see that Love is more on track to be a guy like Rodgers and Benkert is a guy who won't be in the league in 3 years, clearly does not know football.
Love should only go if we can get another very high 1st for him this year.
Benkert should just go.
Rudedawg67
April 21, 2022 at 11:18 am
For all of you that think those stats are cute we need to take a look at the whole picture. How many drives were sustained with those completions. How many of those incompletions were throwaways. How many points did the team put up during the time of play. Who were the opponents during the timer play. Just having numbers and not displaying the results of the game doesn’t give you a complete picture. Knowing what I’ve seen when I saw Rogers come in for Favre against the Cowboys and seeing Love have a week to prepare for poor Kansas City defense means to me the stats are garbage.
BirdDogUni
April 21, 2022 at 11:26 am
Fine... Rodgers came in against the Cowboys in his 3rd year.
Love came in against the Chiefs in his second year...
SMH - You can't have it both ways dude...
Rodgers also had 3 years of QB School Vs. Love's Zero...
Hate on Love all you want. Be my guest.
MainePackFan
April 19, 2022 at 09:27 am
I don't think the packers would trade Love unless they were blown away by an offer, or, they were not sold on his ability to be a quality NFL QB.
It's hard to imagine worse circumstances for the kid to start his NFL career. Drafted to replace a HOF QB in a year where normal development was nearly impossible due to Covid.
My guess is, even the Packers aren't sure what they have in Love. I highly doubt another organization has seen enough to give up any worthwhile draft capital for him. I say give the kid a chance, we're already knee deep in the investment.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 11:20 am
Maine,
On the Love topic...just STOP being so thoughtful, rational and reasonable! :)
MainePackFan
April 19, 2022 at 03:38 pm
My Bad Knock ;)
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 09:31 am
I'm not sure about trading Love at this point but if any team offers a second round pick for Love the Packers should jump all over it. Why? Because if Rodgers goes down the season is over anyway. Love is not ready to play and he is certainly not ready to win at this point, especially with a new WR corps to work with.
He has a long way to go, probably 2-3 seasons at best and he may never reach an NFL starting QB level. Meanwhile another second round pick gives us another shot at selecting a solid WR, DL, OL, or Edge player. All of which would likely contribute more in 2022 than Love would be able to do or have the chance to do.
Even a 3rd or 4th round pick could be worth the move.
If we retain Love we will need to draft a QB in the 2023 or 2024 draft depending on how long Rodgers decides to stay with the Packers. If Love is still here he would need a backup and/or the team may need to replace Love if he busts. For these reasons I would make the move now if the price is right. However, I would be surprised if any team is offering a 2nd rounder for Love. Why would they at this point? Love needs time and many, many more reps before he evolves into a legit NFL starting QB if that can happen at all.
I'm doubting that any of this will actually happen and that we're just out of topics and need click bait prior to the draft in 9 days. Thanks, Since '61
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 09:42 am
I disagree, my friend. Entirely.
Give Jordan Love regular reps, a top OL, some insanely talented young WRs, and a commitment to a top power rushing attack, with a solid defense?
I like our chances better with Jordan Love running this offense, actually. Far better.
Trading him for an R2? In what world? It would take the Packers at least TWO R1s to get back up high enough to draft a top QB in next year's draft, and then we're starting all over again with a very raw rookie.
We can agree to disagree.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 10:13 am
Just the silly season of click bait, G&G. Cory should write for the Babylon Bee.
Anyone heard of Trevor Lawrence? First round QB ALWAYS succeed in year one, don't they? Trade Love and draft our sure fired next HOF QB next year!
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm
Feeling kind of dirty for commenting on this offal. Lesson learned. No more buying Cory click bait. Wait for Al on Wednesdays,
Bitternotsour
April 19, 2022 at 08:40 pm
i wonder if he felt dirty writing it, or if it came natural-like.
dobber
April 19, 2022 at 10:40 am
"Give Jordan Love regular reps, a top OL, some insanely talented young WRs, and a commitment to a top power rushing attack, with a solid defense?"
...and maybe you get Baker Mayfield. ;)
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:07 am
That was just plain mean...
Have a peanut butter cookie on me!
Bad behavior with worse intentions is always rewarded by me.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:16 am
I've been sitting on a park bench.
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm
At best Dobber, maybe we don’t even get that much.
Thanks, Since ‘61
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 12:15 pm
Sometimes less is more
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 03:57 pm
Yes, but most of the time less is less, even much less. Thanks, Since '61
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:17 am
Yes, but if less is more, think about how much more more would be.
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 12:05 pm
At best Dobber, maybe we don’t even get that much.
Thanks, Since ‘61
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:24 pm
am i in an echo chamber?
hello, hello... lefty calling...
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 04:13 pm
gg,I get where you're coming from. But your second sentence is a scenario for nearly any decent QB to be successful within. It's like claiming the current Packers are the equivalent of the Lombardi Packers which they are not. Dozens of QBs could have been successful on Lombardi's Packers.
I'm not knocking Love, he needs a legit chance to demonstrate what he can contribute and to evolve. But he may never get that in Green Bay if Rodgers remains for the next 3 seasons. It is just a matter of where he is right now. I also won't assume that he is going to be our 3rd HOF QB just because Gute drafted him and I won't assume that he will be as good as or better than Rodgers because his stats are better than Rodgers following their respective first 2 seasons in the league. Neither of those assumptions has any reliable basis to validate them.
Also, as I posted that I don't think Love will be traded because I don't believe that any GM will risk their job based on what any of us have seen of Love up to this point. Why would they? Maybe if he gets more playing time this season but 6 quarters is not enough to determine how good Love will or won't be.
The same is true for the Packers at this point. That is why if they were offered a second rounder I posted that they should jump on it because they can probably select a player who can contribute this season, while Love may never see the field in 2022. And if Rodgers goes down I don't see Love saving the season either. He might get plenty of reps but that doesn't mean he can carry the team. I think that he has a long way to go. But who knows, stinger things have been known to happen. Stay safe. Since '61
greengold
April 19, 2022 at 04:34 pm
That's putting a lot of words in my. mouth, quite frankly. "...current Packers the equivalent of the Lombardi Packers?"
You've got to be kidding...
Not "every" QB can be successful with that. Aaron Rodgers couldn't for 11 years running, because he will not hand the goddam ball off. He's 39 and not about to change his ways. He's a pass happy freak who runs rogue constantly with non-compliance. He does whatever the hell he wants, in case you missed our last game.
The entire point of what I said was clearly lost on you, because I was referring to Jordan Love NOT having to "carry the team," in such a scenario.
We completely disagree. It's OK. I just don't get giving the guy the pass. I'd rather trade Rodgers than Love. A future would be nice.
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 09:14 pm
gg after the season ended I posted numerous times that the Packers should trade Rodgers and get a big return for him while they could. That has become irrelevant now that they have resigned Rodgers. So I've moved on from trading Rodgers and I'm working with the current reality.
Just Like I would be fine if the Packers traded Rodgers I would be OK if they traded Love for the right price. One way to look at roster management is like managing a portfolio. To get the most out of a team's portfolio you need to maximize the value/talent/potential of each player. Sometimes that means trading them for the right price. That's all I was trying to say. I didn't mean anything personal and I apologize if my post was either unclear or offensive to you in any way. It's a problem with e-Communications. I'm confident that if we were in a tavern having a brew and burger most of the misunderstandings on this site would never occur. Stay safe.
Thanks, Since '61
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:11 am
Love isnt a 1 or 2 year investment. Hes a 10-15 year investment. And with the weak state of this division, a Rodgers injury doesnt automatically equal a lost season. What if he breaks out like Rodgers did after years of development time? Makes no sense to trade him now. What fans refuse to even entertain is that Gutekunst, just like Thompson before, has to look at the big picture. Not just this season or next season. Drafting Love was a big picture move and fans still dont get it 2 years after the fact.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 10:14 am
Thumbs up! Your comment is a complete "Return to Sanity".
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:09 am
...and oh by the way...
since when does EACH AND EVERY move made by the GBP have to be made with his lordship sir aaron freakin rodgers in mind???
is it any wonder I despise this guy?
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 04:09 pm
Wash your mouth out.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:23 pm
OK, I did...
...with a nice Cabernet!
MainePackFan
April 19, 2022 at 11:43 am
I agree with you RTS. JL is a long term investment.
That being said, if Gute were to trade him for draft picks, we would know the Packers did not feel the desired return on investment was inevitable, and decided to cash in.
I don't think that's the case, but it would be telling.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 03:54 pm
I think this is some shaky reasoning, 61.
1) If Love goes down, the season is over.
Maybe, maybe not, you can't predict that and neither can I. But if Rodgers took a serious injury, then the post-Rodgers Era begins on the next play. Starting that ERA with a first round pick in his third season isn't the worst way to begin that future.
Also, I think it's really insulting to all the coaches and players to say they're not good enough to win games without Aaron Rodgers. I know that's not your intention, but it's still insulting.
2) "Love is not ready to play...or win". A pretty strong statement, IMO. You are aware that Love is ahead of Rodgers, at the same point in their career, in just about any type of objective measure? Attempts, completions, points on the board, completion percentage, QB rating.....all favor Love.
So I'm going to need some elaboration on that other than your subjective evaluation. My subjective evaluation shows a guy who made a lot of progress and who will no doubt be even better this year.
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 09:51 pm
LH it's probably is shaky reasoning since I don't expect Love to be traded at this point. And as I mentioned they should only trade Love for the right price.
Since 2010 when I originally joined Jersey ALs ALLGBP and then following the merger with CHTV I have seen posters comment that Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, Deshone Kizer, Brent Hundley and now Jordan Love were all locks to replace Aaron Rodgers and become our 3rd consecutive HOF QB. Almost all of those comments were based upon meaningless preseason performances with the exception of Flynn.
Love may or may not become a great QB. We don't know yet and neither does anyone else which is why I don't believe that a trade will even happen. For the same reason we don't yet know if Love will be the Packers future at QB. His 6 quarters of play in regular season games should not confirm that.
Bottom line is that Love needs much more time under Center in regular season games. Then we'll know what we have.
You are correct it was not my intention to insult the players and coaches about not being good enough to win games without Aaron Rodgers and yet they lost to KC without Rodgers and they lost to SF in a game in which Rodgers did not play very well and the rest of the team, especially the STs failed to pick him up. There is a ton of discussion about football being the ultimate team game. To me that means that all the players depend on each other. It means that if someone is having a bad game the other players "pick him up" or step up for the player having a bad game. If they don't or can't pick up Rodgers are they good enough to pick up Love? We'll find out.
If I extrapolate your #2 comment then we should conclude that Love is going to be a better QB than Rodgers has been over his career. At this point that is a bridge too far for me. I need to see much more of Love in regular season play, at least before I can go that far. As a Packer fan I hope he evolves into a great QB I'm just ready to anoint him yet. BTW, I wasn't ready to Rodgers at the same point in his career either.
After the season I was OK with the Packers trading Rodgers for a big return in draft picks. Now that they have resigned Rodgers I would be OK if the Packers traded Love for the right price. It's a matter of portfolio management. If you can get better value for a player and improve the roster make the move. If not keep the player. I wasn't knocking Rodgers when I posted that the Packers should trade him a few months ago and I'm not knocking Love now. In the end it comes down to what Gute or maybe Murphy decides is best for the team.
Stay safe. Thanks, Since '61
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 10:05 pm
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blondy45
April 19, 2022 at 04:49 pm
Since `61, I respect your comments but have to disagree. "If Rodgers goes down the season is over anyway". I am sure the other 21 starters, 3 special team starters, and all of the coaching staff would just give up. None of the young back-ups would have anything to work for. The fans would turn in their season tickets & the stands would be empty. Our deva is not or will not ever be the reason why our organization is successful. Team sports dictate the need for each other, Offensively, defensively, and special team contributing. The coaches need to lead & teach. When you or anyone else believes that only Rodgers is why the Pack wins is false. Love is so much more valuable to the Pack. HE is our future. I do agree that this topic was for click bait. It sure got me fired up.
Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 10:03 pm
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Since'61
April 19, 2022 at 10:13 pm
bloody45, it's probably is shaky reasoning since I don't expect Love to be traded at this point. And as I mentioned they should only trade Love for the right price.
Since 2010 when I originally joined Jersey ALs ALLGBP and then following the merger with CHTV I have seen posters comment that Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, Deshone Kizer, Brent Hundley and now Jordan Love were all locks to replace Aaron Rodgers and become our 3rd consecutive HOF QB. Almost all of those comments were based upon meaningless preseason performances with the exception of Flynn.
Love may or may not become a great QB. We don't know yet and neither does anyone else which is why I don't believe that a trade will even happen. For the same reason we don't yet know if Love will be the Packers future at QB. His 6 quarters of play in regular season games should not confirm that.
Bottom line is that Love needs much more time under Center in regular season games. Then we'll know what we have just like we didn't know what we had with Rodgers until the 2010 season.
They lost to KC without Rodgers and they lost to SF in a game in which Rodgers did not play very well and the rest of the team, especially the STs, failed to pick him up. There is a ton of discussion about football being the ultimate team game. To me that means that all the players depend on each other. It means that if someone is having a bad game the other players "pick him up" or step up for the player having a bad game. If they don't or can't pick up Rodgers are they good enough to pick up Love? We'll find out.
As a Packer fan I hope he evolves into a great QB I'm just ready to anoint him yet. BTW, I wasn't ready to annoint Rodgers at the same point in his career either.
After the season I was OK with the Packers trading Rodgers for a big return in draft picks. Now that they have resigned Rodgers I would be OK if the Packers traded Love for the right price. It's a matter of portfolio management. If you can get better value for a player and improve the roster make the move. If not keep the player. I wasn't knocking Rodgers when I posted that the Packers should trade him a few months ago and I'm not knocking Love now. In the end it comes down to what Gute or maybe Murphy decides is best for the team. At least we've proven this article was good for click bait. Stay safe.
Thanks, Since '61
blondy45
April 19, 2022 at 10:45 pm
Since `61, trade Love for the right price, I have no beef with that. We both understand that "right price" is not going to happen now. The "right price" is not a second-round pick. It absolutely is not settling for whatever you can get for him now! I was not a fan of Favre when he retired, came back, retired. Even after all the great games Favre gave us, I was more than ready to move on back then 3 years before he finally left. I now have been ready to move on from Rodgers for 3 years now. I am looking FORWARD to our next chapter with Love waiting in the wings. Trade Love? STUPID! Cory & Uglem should be ashamed to represent the Packers with this garbage.
beerandbrats
April 19, 2022 at 09:48 am
Trade Jordan Love? That's just crazy talk Cory! Or are you just stirring the pot? The Packers have a significant investment in JL and are counting on him to take over when Rodgers retires. Hopefully, the patience with his development will pay off and Love will prove to be a good investment. I am not for or against Love. In my opinion, it's just way too soon to give up on the guy because we still don't know what we have! Rodgers got us to the playoffs in year 2. Give Love a chance to start for 1-2 years and then we will know if he was a good investment or not!
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 09:56 am
Rodgers got us to the playoffs in YEAR FIVE of his NFL career. Adams was deemed a bust after his two years in the NFL as a butter fingered drop machine. Favre almost got benched after his 2nd year in GB.
mnbadger
April 19, 2022 at 12:38 pm
Who's got the patience to wait 1-2 years to see if he's a good investment? NFL is a Win Now league. The wolves want his head already, he hasn't even played yet! Trade him, in Benkert I trust. The season would likely be done anyway. GPG!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 03:05 pm
I'll tell you who has the patience. The Packers do. Thats why they've developed 5 pro bowl quarterbacks over the last 30 years or so. And its going to be 6 soon enough.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 11:59 am
Most of Cory's articles of late leave me SMH.☺️
Cory has seen Jordan play 6 quarters of NFL regular season football where he outplayed Mahomes vs KC and Rodgers vs Det...even led the team to a lead the D could not hold.
Yet he has not seen the journeyman Benkert play a single snap of regular season football yet deems him the anointed, preferred Packer backup. (how many NFL snaps in the regular season has Benkert had on 5 years? He hasn't been the "backup" anywhere in his well travelled NFL journey!)
This article belongs in the Babylon Bee.
You know, I will bet Cory would advocate trading Nijman for a 5th rounder since Van Lanen is the preferred backup T...trade AJ for a 3rd since Hill is the preferred backup...and trade Douglas for a 4th rounder since the draft will have good talent at CB remaining in the 4th.
Cory would have been banging the drum in 1991 as an Atlanta commentator to trade Favre for a #2!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:06 am
This comment deserves all the thumbs up. You made me spit my drink all over myself with the Babylon Bee bit 🤣
Duneslick
April 19, 2022 at 07:43 pm
Jordan did not outplay anyone.
PackfanNY
April 19, 2022 at 09:50 am
Ugh! The actual blankety blank Draft can’t come soon enough. Good lord. All the speculation and supposed “intrigue” should be mostly resolved around the draft day and the few days either before or after.
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 10:00 am
Pretty much out of ideas and material when people expend this much angst over a back up QB for the umpteenth time.
HarryHodag
April 19, 2022 at 09:56 am
The Love debate will continue until the day he either takes the wheel or is gone.
I thought this year was the year for the Packers to rebuild. I did that with the idea that the same team(largely) as last year is largely going to do the same thing again: do well then lose in the playoffs. With Rodgers wavering, trade him, let Love take over cut the big contracts and look to put together a new squad for the future.
Signing Rodgers changed that dynamic. It has returned to 'all in'. Do you let Love sit more hoping for more?
I agree with Cory. Now that the Packers have mortgaged the future for now, having Love sit behind Rodgers would be a waste. Even if Rodgers was hurt he would eventually return and Love would sit.
There are a number of teams that would certainly look at Love including Carolina, Pittsburgh and Atlanta.
Love to Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. Why draft Kenny Pickett in the first round when you have an NFL trained QB ready to go?
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:04 am
Love is the one and only hope for a soft landing after Rodgers retires. They've already invested the draft capital and 2 years of development so getting rid of him now would be insanity. He could be about to turn the corner just like Rodgers did year 3. Imagine if Thompson cut bait on Rodgers right before he broke out? Where would this team be right now? Theyre keeping Love and people need to accept that.
HarryHodag
April 19, 2022 at 11:01 am
There is absolutely no guarantee that Love will be the next Aaron Rodgers. A friend with media access saw Rodgers first practice with the team. He said it was clear he 'had it'.
Love has some ability. That is why other teams are likely sniffing around. But do you think the Packers would have spent the $$$ they did if Love was ready to go?
He might be the best shot when Rodgers is gone, but there also could be another QB who could be better.
If I were the Packers I would draft a QB every year until you find one to be the next Rodgers.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 01:35 pm
Exactly, HH.
Why did they pay Rodgers the exorbitant amount they did, if they thought Love could take them to a Super Bowl? They could have traded Rodgers for a boatload of picks to make the roster the best in the NFL...why didn't they?
I like Love...but maybe more than BG and MLF do...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 03:02 pm
I didnt say he would be the next Aaron Rodgers. In fact, I hope he isnt. I dont want another headcase who comes up small in the biggest moments. As for keeping Rodgers this year, I think it was the plan from the beginning to give Love at least 3 years of development just like Rodgers got. All the draftniks agreed that Love had a a high ceiling but would be a project. We hear that word "project" a lot but how often do teams actually stay patient enough to see it through to completing that project? Packers are going to see it through.
PackEyedOptimist
April 19, 2022 at 01:37 pm
I also thought this was the year to trade Rodgers...if the front office thought Love could take us to a Super Bowl.
Oppy
April 19, 2022 at 10:00 am
Benkert is closer to being out of the NFL than being a legitimate #2 QB on an NFL roster.
I don't know how many times I have to say this.. He's a 5th year QB who hasn't made the final 53 man roster on cut-down day in his career.
Atlanta had him for years and decided to cut him loose in favor of a brand new bunch of inexperienced QBs.
I don't know where you're finding this upside. He is what he is- a training camp arm / practice squad QB.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:01 am
Fans are crazy. They get emotionally attached to players and all reason goes out the window.
HarryHodag
April 19, 2022 at 11:36 am
Who says the backup has to be either Love or Benkert?
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:56 pm
Why wouldnt it be Love? Who you going to get to replace him thats better and affordable?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 22, 2022 at 09:38 am
Everyone loves the back-up QB until he plays that is! Think of guys like Boyle over the years. Benkert with 5 or 6 years experience is what he is. There is no more upside to his game and he is what he is.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 10:00 am
PACKERS. ARE. NOT. TRADING. JORDAN. LOVE. The sooner everyone comes to grips with this, the better. Its not happening. Not ever.
HarryHodag
April 19, 2022 at 11:02 am
Nice to be able to see into the future.
Turophile
April 19, 2022 at 12:33 pm
I have spoken to the Delphic oracle via my ouija board and can confirm Return_To_Sanity is absolutely correct.
It is much more than a long-shot, that Rodgers only plays 1-2 more years for the Packers. Having a replacement option already on the roster in Love, becomes worth a lot more then.
After the 2022 season you should know what you have in Love, whereas at this time you don't know. His stock is one to keep and hope it appreciates.
Is it just because people like extra draft picks that they want to take a loss on Love (he was a first round pick after all)...........or is it that some have already dismissed him as a future starter, when there just isn't enough information to decide that yet.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:54 pm
It doesnt take a crystal ball to see it. With the kind of conviction it took to draft Love in the first place knowing full well the kind of blowback they would receive from not only Rodgers, but the fans as well, you can take it the bank that Gutekunst isnt going to cut bait and run away with his tail between his legs now. Hes going to see it through to the end, for better or worse because thats what you do when draft a highly talented player at the most important position in sports. This isnt some bottom feeding franchise with no real plan and a revolving door at heach coach and quarterback. This is the Green Bay Packers. The 2nd most stable franchise in football and the foremost authority on developing quarterbacks. Nobody does it better than they do. Nobody else even comes close. I have full faith that Love will turn the corner, not because im some kind of fanboy, but because i have complete faith in this organization to get it right. After developing 5 pro bowl quarterbacks over the last 30 years or so (Favre, Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brooks, Rodgers), I'm still genuinely mystified at how few Packer fans share that same faith in this organization.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 10:01 am
"Why draft Kenny Pickett in the first round when you have an NFL trained QB ready to go?"
This sentence actually makes sense...for the Packers!
HarryHodag
April 19, 2022 at 11:04 am
It would have made a lot of sense for the Packers.....before they signed Rodgers to that ridiculous contract. Now they have a top draft pick sitting on the bench which makes little sense.
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 11:14 am
He’s cheap. We can’t afford better and the rookie class is poor. Makes sense to me.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 12:09 pm
How long did Rodgers "sit on the bench"? Did you advocate trading Rodgers, too? If not, why not?
For the record, Favre teased retirement for 3 years and finally retired, un-retired, retired again, un-retired again, and was traded to end the soap opera.
Rodgers said last year it was 50/50 he would retire. He has said the same this offseason. Trading Love now would be as silly as Dan Devine's trade for John Hadl.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:29 pm
DO NOT EVER USE THAT NAME AGAIN!!!!!
TarynsEyes
April 19, 2022 at 10:21 am
Trade or not to Trade is the question and the answer is?
Is Love or has Love or will Love have shown himself to be worth the money he'll want/get to retain him when his contract needs to be done?
Unless Rodgers vacates the position allowing Love the much-needed game time play, that decision will loom large. Wait, Rodgers isn't going anywhere for another two years, so, Loves' game time play is moot, and the FO will be forced to make a salary cap decision with Love on the heels of making a salary cap decision with a QB that made his competitor moot, and why any great deal in a Love trade is also moot.
Love was not as good as the first-round QBs in his draft and saying he's better than this draft QBs doesn't make his value increase, it just reeks of trying to cover up the mistake in the first place.
croatpackfan
April 19, 2022 at 03:37 pm
TarynsEyes,
I do not agree that Diva will stay that long. He got his money. That is all he cares about. he will stay long enough to get paid. Nothing more, nothing less...
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 10:27 am
Cory, is dumb as a fox. He knows that Love &/or Rodgers will get an emotional response from most if not all of us. We can't help ourselves, I know I can't...!
Waiter, check please
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 11:08 am
If I was the Guttster on Draft Day (1,2 and 3), I would wear a shirt that states, "your phone not ringing, that's me not calling!" go, go, gooo
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 11:14 am
If your phone doesn't ring, it's me...
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 12:14 pm
LOL!
Always enjoy your quirky humor JB!
splitpea1
April 19, 2022 at 11:23 am
The Packers should have been on the phone listening to offers for Rodgers months ago and gaining additional draft picks for this season and next. We would be absolutely LOADED with fresh talent....
I don't agree with trading Love now unless you're blown away by an offer that's too good to pass up. The leadership and quality of play will improve with experience. How can he be properly evaluated with only six quarters of regular season playing time? Besides, if you trade him, you're going to have to replace him; I wouldn't get too carried away with Benkert's prospects.
I very much like the idea of drafting Travis Jones in the second if he's available, though; we would have a quality replacement ready for two DLs with one year or one year left on their contracts.
Brobeserk
April 19, 2022 at 11:39 am
Ok, so all of you that are so infatuated with J Love, only time will really tell if he is any good. I’m hedging my bets towards no. It’s just my feeling on the guy. He seems to be easily rattled when things aren’t perfect. I didn’t get that with AR. I don’t like that GB even drafted him. They have wasted opportunities to help AR throughout his career. To me that draft pick was a huge one. I don’t have anything against J Love personally nor would I say ignorant things about him. It’s not his fault I think GB wasted a pick on him, it’s GB’s fault. I don’t see us getting enough back to trade him. We should get a 1st and then we could draft a QB next year. Have him learn the system a couple years. Get out from AR’s contract and with any luck have a QB for another 15 years. Then return to the same issue. The alternative is maybe I’m wrong and Love turns out to be great.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:39 pm
Its not about infatuation. Its about the fact the Packers have already invested the draft capital and time developing him. Getting rid of him now, right before year 3, which is the same year Rodgers turned the corner with the same kind of development plan in place, would just be foolish. Theyre committed now. Ride it out to the end for better or for worse. The upside far outweighs the potential sunken cost.
jannesbjornson
April 19, 2022 at 05:16 pm
When they drafted him in the first rd. he was an investment and a hedge for the future if Rodgers faltered or bailed after his deal ran its course. Rodgers excelled, was extended and Love is still a premium chip to hold if they want to move him for picks or players. If someone wants to pay the correct value for his services, it is still a win.
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 08:10 am
The only “WIN,” is the Super Bowl. That’s all I care about, and it should be Gutekunst & LaFleur’s sole focus.
Trading away the future franchise QB with going on 3 years in system, studying under Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur, with Rodgers not getting any younger at 39, seems foolhardy.
For the first time in a decade, we should feel confident if AR goes down with an injury, there’s still hope with Love, the heir apparent, ready to take the wheel.
Imagine, huge talent assembled throughout this team. Should Love bring it home to help us win a ring? How many more might follow?
Some people want to trade that possibility away for a fucking R2…
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:24 am
Sunk cost.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 07:26 am
"Sunk cost fallacy" That's exactly what I was thinking, TGR.
MAYBE Love is good enough to win a Super Bowl, but that's not the message I'm getting from the Packer management. You'd think they'd be saying things like "We're so lucky to have a backup who could start for most of the teams in this league." That's what they said about Dillon. But Love? They say, "He's not ready yet" "We're really happy with his growth" etc. Damning with faint praise. Meanwhile, they pay a blockbuster, cap-hell amount to Rodgers instead of trading him for a boatload of picks/players to help Love win.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 05:21 pm
Brob,
Appreciate your participation but WHERE do you see Love gets rattled? He always retains his composure. If anything he probably needs to show more fire and passion as he doesn't show emotion.
jhtobias
April 19, 2022 at 11:51 am
Why would the packers trade love? He is cheap they have invested 2 yrs in him and a first and a 4th round pick.
Unless a team panics and offers a first round pick or an equivalent player of need with a low cap hit what is the upside.
The only thing the public or the dummies on twitter know is that he can't beat out aaron rodgers.
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 12:01 pm
When the 9'ers traded up to #3 Overall for Trey Lance last year, they gave up a boatload of picks.
2021 1st round pick #12 overall
2022 1st round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2023 1st round pick
I'm not even sure Trey Lance is as good as Jordan Love.
Personally, I think trades like that are usually stupid, which is why if I were a GM, I wouldn't trade away my future like that, but the 9'ers did.
GMs do stupid things sometimes. I'm confident that Gutey won't trade Jordan Love unless he gets the compensation he thinks is equal to the draft capital expended and time invested developing Jordan Love. I have no idea what Gutey feels is adequate compensation, but if a GM is desperate, there is no telling what Gutey could get.
I know Gutey isn't going to trade Jordan Love unless he gets what he wants. Win/Win...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 07:21 pm
This is the same point ive used. 49ers absolutely bet the farm on Lance and I dont believe hes better than Love. And yet you dont hear 49er fans melting down over it. Theyve embraced Lance. But for reasons I cant explain, a large contingent of Packer Nation is infatuated with trashing Love and wanting to trade him. I dont get it. I want to see this kid maximize his potential and become the player Gute and co. envisioned when they drafted him.
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 12:30 am
I'm with you, but if we don't trade him during the draft we may be shooting ourselves in the foot too. If AR plays 3 more years, Love will not have played at all during his rookie contract and we can't afford that either.
What I'm hoping is a GM sees Love is his best bet and gives Gutey a 2nd this year and next year's 1st. That team gets their QB. Gutey gets fair compensation and can draft another QB to sit behind AR for a couple years next year. The timing would then be perfect.
Next year is suppose to be a better QB class. (Can't be worse than this year IMO!)
Comparing a 2nd this year and a 1st next year to what the 9'ers gave up for Trey Lance and that GM is ahead of the ball game. Has two years to make a decision if he wants to take the 5th year option for Love, and we have a new rookie contract timeline.
Win/Win... (Unless Love does turn out to be a HOF'er...) Lol
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 04:28 pm
I'm not suggesting it will happen, but if a GM were to offer Gutey a 1st this year and a 1st next year for Love, it would be the perfect storm...
Gutey makes hay from Love, recoups +value and he can draft Rodger's successor next Spring. The clock on a Rookie QB starts over, he can still sit behind Rodgers for a year or two, maybe even three.
Trade down with the 1st this year to the top of the second round and make hay there as well.
I'm convinced a couple GMs will be calling about Love, when Kenny Pickett is the consensus #1 QB in the draft, that tells me Gutey will probably be able to trade Love if he wishes, and a GM comes up with the right offer.
If AR plays two or three more years, our position with Love will become untenable. Draft Day is the perfect time to trade him if you're going to.
SpikeHyzer
April 20, 2022 at 04:10 pm
3 is not a boatload--remember H Walker?--but it is significant.
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 04:16 pm
3 1st's and a 3rd is a Boatload if you own a Bass Boat...
Just saying...
Especially when you're talking about Trey Lance, who probably isn't as good as Jordan Love.
SpikeHyzer
April 22, 2022 at 03:27 pm
Except that by the transitive property a 1st (and a higher one at that ) was gotten back.
It's actually 2 firsts and a 3rd. And BOTH of the firsts that weren't the 1 for 1 swap of firsts in that draft (which are the ones that matter transitively) are in the following years.
And the 3rd is somewhat meaningful as well, BUT if you think you are drafting a generational talent to be your future QB, 3 picks is not all that much.
Draft capital doesn't have to mean players. It's to be used as best fits the roster.
Which is why the Pack should be shipping out at least 2 picks to move up from both of their firsts to try to get a Pickens and a Kalaiftis if possible.
Lphill
April 19, 2022 at 12:10 pm
Love to the Seahawks for Lockett and there 2 nd round pick I believe is what’s circulating.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 12:18 pm
Where is it circulating? In your mind or via an "unnamed, anonymous source the knowledge of the matter"?
Packers0808
April 19, 2022 at 01:49 pm
Miles Boykin has been cut and FA!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 05:23 pm
LP,
I still would not want to pull that trigger even with that trade. Yes, short-term it would benefit but unlikely long-term.
LambeauPlain
April 19, 2022 at 12:16 pm
Next up: Cory advocating trading Love and #22, #53, #59 and #132 to Seattle for Metcalf on a one year rental.
Just have to make it through the next 9 days!
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 01:30 pm
Oh boy...I am in the doghouse now! Thanks to CJJ and this post, my head is a spinning this way and that. So much so that after dinner, Sweet Pea asked if I would take the garbage out. As I was laying horizontal on the couch trying to save the Packer's season with the draft choices that just might pull it off, it happened. I really don't know where or how I came to my response. Sweet Pea in a more stern voice than normal said, take the garbage out. Without thinking I said, why don't you, you cooked it. :-(
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:35 pm
Ouch lol
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 03:00 pm
You da man R_T_S...a much needed voice of reason. Now, SP tells me...I ain't getting any for 4 weeks...4 WEEKs! So, now I know what it's like to be a new WR with QB1 at the helm.
SpikeHyzer
April 20, 2022 at 04:00 pm
Are you saying that when Rodgers tells them to run the right routes and be available to catch the ball and pay attention to details, that it's really emotional blackmail (like your SP is doing) to make them better players?
So, she's just doing it to make you a better spouse and person by not making her harp on you to do your chores?
Good to know.
Johnblood27
April 21, 2022 at 05:47 pm
My ole lady comes at me wit dat, she betta have a lacrosse helmet on!!!
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:32 pm
Oh, welcome to my world...
You sir are a great addition to the board.
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 06:32 pm
We'll see how much self-restraint she truly has when I rub some BenGay on my joints after I take a shower....real nice and slow like...I am almost giddy with the thought of her, starting to drool uncontrollably................
Packers0808
April 19, 2022 at 01:48 pm
Miles Boykin is a FA as of yesterday. Packers should you think a play for him. Could give Packers other draft directions!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 02:33 pm
Interesting thought. Low budget reclamation project with a player whos still decently young. I dont hate it.
blondy45
April 19, 2022 at 05:06 pm
Boykin was cut for a reason. If Baltimore does not want him, why should we? Solid pass from me.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 06:39 pm
Baltimore also has a borderline incompetent passing game with Lamar Jackson. Tough to shine where the qb is overthrowing you or skipping it to you.
croatpackfan
April 19, 2022 at 03:07 pm
Cory, only call with execution of trade Packers should get for old arrogant horse, but, unfortunatelly 31 GM knows that horse is done and nobody would try to suggest possibility of that trade. He is way over to much expensive for his behaviour, arrogance and his accuracy that diminish slowly down...
Paula666
April 19, 2022 at 03:28 pm
Love never showed much promise in the games he played when Rodgers was out. He didn't step up or show some flashes of something that presaged excellence. To paraphrase "The Matrix" "He is not the One". Hope the Pack can get someone to plug some of the OL and DL holes.
Leatherhead
April 19, 2022 at 05:09 pm
By any measure you want to apply, Love looked much better in his second season than Rodgers did.
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 05:34 pm
Let's hope you get something to plug your pie-hole...
Haven't you heard?
Love is all you need...
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 06:21 pm
We could pipe in that snappy tune at the commencement of Draft Day..."All you need is love, bomp bomp bomp, all you need is love..." For the record and all things good and holy, please keep Love.
Dammit J-Blood, I think I am thinking of the same song you just mentioned........,???
Johnblood27
April 19, 2022 at 09:43 pm
What song?
pantz_bURp
April 19, 2022 at 03:53 pm
Latest report is da BEARs want to relocate to Gary, Indiana. Reason you ask...so they can have a G on their helmets too.
kblodorn
April 19, 2022 at 03:56 pm
In a world without free agency, the Packers would be fine to hold on to Love and just wait for AR to decide to retire on his own time. However, after the upcoming season, the Pack have to pay Love or move on. His value in a trade is much lower at that point, as no team will have seen him run an offense for any length of time. If there are teams looking for an immediate fix at QB, and limited draft options, Love could be a valuable trade target. It's unfair for anyone outside of the Packers' coaching staff to pass any form of judgement on Love based on his limited game action to date, and unfair to him to put him on the bench for more of his prime years. The Pack re-upped on Rodgers, so it's best for Love and GB to move him somewhere he has a chance to play.
LLCHESTY
April 19, 2022 at 04:25 pm
⬆️Very much this⬆️ There's no way they can afford to pay Love $20 million on top of giving Rodgers $50 million. So far he's been quiet but at any point he could say I want to play, trade me. Without picking up his 5th year option the most they could get for him after next year is a 3rd round comp pick and even that is pretty doubtful. It doesn't matter if you think he will be a good QB eventually or not the timing of drafting him was horrible. I think they looked at the NFCCG against the 49ers and thought they were further away from a SB than they actually were.
Of course Rodgers could always retire after this season and all this speculation will have been for nothing but that's an awful lot of money to walk away from.
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 07:08 pm
That is exactly what happened...
"I think they looked at the NFCCG against the 49ers and thought they were further away from a SB than they actually were."
The fact that Rodgers reacted to the drafting of Love with back-to-back MVP seasons is a good thing.
I think Gutey has already gotten calls on Jordan Love. I know Gutey doesn't have to trade him before the draft, during the draft, or after the draft, but there are two scenarios which might be very beneficial to the Packers.
1st: A team who needs a QB isn't enamored with the QB class this year and really wants Jordan Love. (I see this as a real scenario.) We know Gutey isn't going to give him away, because there is no need to. Hence, he holds all the cards right now. I don't expect a haul like the 9'ers gave up for Trey Lance, (that was just stupid) but I can definitely see Gutey get good value for Love in a draft-day trade.
IDK how the Falcons feel about Jordan Love, but they might be thinking about a reverse-Favre like trade. Imagine you're a fan of the Seahawks or Steelers or Panthers and your GM were to draft Willis or Pickett. I don't think any fanbase would be too excited about that, but a draft-day trade to acquire Jordan Love might actually excite a fanbase.
2nd: An injury were to happen before or during the early part of the season to a starting QB. Gutey would have all the leverage again. Gutey doesn't have to trade Love at all, but if a scenario were to arise where he could get what he wanted for Love, I doubt he holds on to him out of spite. (We can find a backup QB off the scrap heap if we have to.)
I think a 1st round pick at QB next year would be perfect timing for Rodger's replacement, and you're also right the timing on the drafting of Love was terrible. If Gutey could get a next year's 1st round pick for Love, I think that might be the perfect storm for trading Love. GMFB was talking about trading Love a couple days ago. (So we're not the only one's thinking it is a possibility. )
Bottom line. Gutey can trade him if he wishes, but the only way I see him doing so is if he gets exactly what he wants for him, whatever that might be.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:01 am
Yup.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:02 am
Well said.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 05:10 am
I just waded through most of 270 comments for a "yup," a "well said" and an "agreed."
And now I suppose I've committed the same offense!
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:11 am
Sorry! ;-D
greengold
April 20, 2022 at 05:25 am
Yup.
LOL.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:26 am
:-D (OMG)
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
April 19, 2022 at 06:32 pm
Thats not true. He has 2 more years on his rookie contract before he would be eligible for the 5th year option raise. They dont have to make any decisions about him any time soon.
BirdDogUni
April 19, 2022 at 07:13 pm
True.
I'm one of the few who, even though I thought the timing of drafting Love was stupid, I like the player. IDK if Gutey will trade him, but I don't think he'll trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I don't think he'll trade him at all, unless he gets exactly what he wants.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 03:43 am
GB has to decide on the 5th yr option after this season.
So no immediate decisions are necessary.
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 05:02 am
Agreed.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 19, 2022 at 07:14 pm
Packers hosting/considering gargantuan OT, Big Bam Oladeni from London. Hmmm?
6'7 & 3/8" and 340 lbs. Runs like a 5.43 in 40. A poor man's Jordan Davis.
Coldworld
April 19, 2022 at 11:54 pm
Give him the ball on the one yard line
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 12:06 am
I think even AJ Dillon could hide behind a guy that big.,, : }
PhantomII
April 19, 2022 at 08:58 pm
A few things: Brady lived in the pocket and still does. Most teams that take QB's in the first round are poorly led and consequently have poor OL also. These QB's do poorly because they get smashed before their WR is done running their route. Even though Love has not been able to show much yet I would only take a 1st RD. pick for him unless a top round #2 pick and a 2023 #2. Watson will be gone by the end of the first round. He outplayed most WR at the combine and senior bowl. With the way Gute has been building our Defense and once we get our Offenses WR weapons right and our run game is rolling with our starting OL back, it will not take an MVP to take us to the Super Bowl. We will need a QB that will not take a quarter of the CAP and will spread the ball around efficiently. That is what we need behind center to win.
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 12:17 am
What we need is a QB on his rookie contract and I'm afraid we won't get that unless we trade Jordan Love. I've said it before, but I don't mind repeating myself. If a GM really needs a QB this year, Jordan Love is better than any QB in this draft IMO. Therefore, I could see Gutey trading him, but only for what Gutey thinks is a fair price.
My fair price would be a 1st round pick next year at the minimum. I don't expect a return like the 9'ers gave for Trey Lance, but I know Gutey won't give him away.
We could roll with Benkert or a cheaper vet, like Tim Boyle. Drafting our QB of the future next Spring would actually be a smart move, the timing would be right, and one AR would probably understand.
Jordan Love has been a great kid and not said a word. Trade him to a team who needs a QB for fair compensation and let him get on with his career. We still get AR for a couple more years and he can still mentor our QB of the future for at least a year, maybe two.
Win/Win...
Thegreatreynoldo
April 20, 2022 at 04:44 am
All my previous replies were made just to make myself popular. 😁
There are no facts that are particularly persuasive as to Jordan Love's development. Comparing AR's first few years as a backup to Love's first two years as a backup does suggest that we cannot eliminate the possibility of having crappy stats and still developing into a great QB. So, Love might develop.
Physically, he has enough arm. He has enough mobility. He had enough talent for the Packers to use a first and a fourth.
I normally would say that there isn't anyone on this team that I wouldn't trade for the right compensation, but the Packers have gone so far all-in that I suppose there are several guys I wouldn't trade. I wouldn't trade Clark, Campbell, Amos or Jaire, plus Dillon, Bakh, and now that he signed that monstrosity, AR.
I don't know if Love is going to get a chance to play in an NFL game in 2022, or 2023 for that matter. I don't know if he can win a game or more if he has to play, but GB's chances of winning seem higher with Love than with Benkert. Then again, if Gute traded Love he'd likely sign a journeyman QB.
Would I trade Love for the right to draft Cine? Yeah. Trey McBride? Yeah. Velus Jones? No. 😁
PackEyedOptimist
April 20, 2022 at 04:56 am
:-D
I agree.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 22, 2022 at 09:36 am
TGR,
Not sure who gave you a thumbs down but I always give you a thumbs up! Appreciate everything you contribute.
stockholder
April 20, 2022 at 07:47 am
These teams list qb as a Need.
Houston
Atlanta
Seatle
Detroit
Pittsburgh
Which one looks like a Sucker?
Houston is the best fit.
BirdDogUni
April 20, 2022 at 04:41 pm
Houston would be the worst fit for Jordan Love. Total cluster % in Houston.
If I were Kevin Colbert, GM for the Steelers, I'd be calling Gutey right now. He is retiring after this year. He has the choice of drafting Pickett or Willis at #20, and I'm sorry, but IMO Love is head and shoulders above either of those guys.
Trade Love to Pittsburgh swapping 20 and 28 this year, and getting Pittsburgh's 1st round pick next year.
Colbert gets the Steelers a QB of the future walking out the door, Gutey gets to take another swing at drafting AR's successor next year.
Win/Win...
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
April 22, 2022 at 09:35 am
I am not sure anyone else has pointed out these very important points about Jordan Love but in my mind that are critically important when discussing Love and whether he should be traded, and whether he might evolve into a very good QB. I saw this online yesterday:
"The top QB options in this draft are around the same age as Love AND still need to adjust to the NFL. Love is younger than Kenny Pickett and only a few months older than Matt Corral and Malik Willis. Love still has two years left on his rookie deal, plus the fifth-year option".
The fans who think Love will never be a good QB, and/or who should be traded do not have a good perspective. Love was extremely young coming into the league and is going into year 3. I believe he is on track and this year starts to start stacking success! Count on it!
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