The SMARTEST THING FOR BRIAN TO DO would be to trade Jordan Love and - GIVEN several Packer fans think Jordan will be better than Aaron was and lead the Packers to more than 11 playoffs and 1 Super Bowl over the next 15 years - Jordan should return the Packers trade compensation better than:

1) whatever the Jets would pay for Aaron Rodgers

2) what Denver paid for Russell Wilson

and

3) more than what the Rams paid the Lions for Matthew Stafford

and

4) more than the Panthers paid for the Bears 1st overall pick

as Jordan is at least 14 years younger than Rodgers and 10 years younger than Wilson and Stafford and has more NFL experience than whomever the Panthers will draft.

With the draft compensation from Jordan Love, the Packers could not only draft a Tight end or wide receiver in the first or second rounds, but a QB that has excelled against BIG FIVE Conference teams week to week.

Someone like Hendon Hooker, a ball protecting dual threat THIKING COMPOSED QB - like Aaron Rodgers - who played week to week against SEC competition (LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc.) week to week for 2 years and ACC competition (Clemson, Florida State, Pitt, Georgia Tech) week to week for 2 years and made Tennessee receivers like injured Cedric Tillman (son of former Bronco Cedric Tillman Sr.) and Jalin Hyatt look good:

Love Freshman Utah State, Mountain West, 54.8% Completion %, 8 TDs, 6 INTs, 6,9 yds per attempt, 77.4 NFL passer rating

Hooker Freshman, Virginia Tech. ACC 61.1% Completion %, 13 TDs, 2 INTs, 9.6 yds per attempt, 114.6 NFL passer rating

Love Sophomore, Utah State, Mountain West 64% Completion %, 30 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.6 yds per attempt, 110.6 NFL passer rating

Hooker Sophomore, Virginia Tech, ACC, 65.3% Completion %, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 8.9 yds per attempt, 99.8 NFL passer rating

Love Junior, Utah State, Mountain West, 61.9% Completion %, 20 TDs, 17 INTs, 7.2 yds per attempt, 82.7 NFL passer rating

Hooker Junior Tennessee, SEC 68% Completion %, 31 TDs, 3 INTs, 9.7 yds per attempt, 129.2 NFL passer rating

Hooker Senior, Tennessee. SEC 69.6% Completion %, 27 TDs, 2 INTs, 9.5 yds per attempt, 124.6 NFL passer rating

In any case, the Packers should not exercise Jordan's $20M 5th year option & should exercise their 2025 option on Aaron Rodgers by the day before September 2023 season opener to be able to spread Aaron's $58M option payment over 4 years.

If you can't trade Jordan Love for sufficient value by September 2023, start Love for the regular season and keep Aaron Rodgers on the bench.

Sensible too, as it is more probable than not, based on all the Jordan Love data points, that Jordan fails to perform at even a fraction of Aaron Rodgers 2008 level, where Aaron, despite playing through injury to right throwing shoulder at Tampa in game 4, was near the top of 32 QB starters in nearly every passing category, but 2008 Packers due to loss of 3 significant defensive starters to injury - Cullen Jenkins, Atari Digby and Nick Barnett gave up nearly 100 more points than 2007 and Packers finished 6-10.

In that case (keeping Rodgers as backup to Love for 2023) , Aaron can be there to SALVAGE the Packers' season and carry them to the playoffs once again as he did in 11 of his 15 years as Packer Starter - 11 years in the playoffs over those 15 years is more than any other NFC team or QB over that period - and that is despite the Packers being the only team in the NFL that has not spent a #1 draft choice on a running back, tight end or wide receiver during the 20 year period 2003 through 2022.

What would a trade of Jordan Love bring the Packers in draft choices and players?

Look what the Panthers just paid for unproven talent.

The Panthers just traded their 2023 1st round pick - 9th overall pick - and their 2023 2nd round pick - 61st overall pick - the Panthers 2024 1st round pick and the Panthers 2025 2nd rounder and their Star 26 year Receiver DJ Moore (the 1st round - 24th overall pick -of the Panthers in 2018, who has caught 364 passes for 14.3 yards per catch over 5 years) to the Chicago Bears for their chance to draft a QB - Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson.

More is known about Jordan Love - who had his college career, PLUS 3 years in the NFL- than any of these 4 QBs

So if Young or Stroud or Levis or Richardson are worth 4 draft picks, the 9th overall pick in 2023, 2nd round pick in 2023 (the 61st overall pick), 1st round pick in 2024, the 2nd round pick in 2025 and a young star wide receiver, what do you think Jordan Love who is less of unknown with 3 more years experience is worth?

Jordan Love in the minds of NFL GMs is just as "proven" as Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson and other QBs.

What would Jordan Love bring the Packers in trade compensation?

"If the Jets really want to start Zach Wilson, they can do that. But that probably isn’t the best move, seeing as how the Jets didn’t put their trust in him last year."

Hey, if Woody Johnson wants to back out, he'll have a load of very pissed off Jets fans. OBVIOUSLY if you start doing what the fans want or think is what's best for the team, you're in huge trouble. But the Jets GM damn near guaranteed Rodgers would be a Jet, and this team hasn't won since 1969. That's a LONG time. Woody's playing "Chicken" and maybe the deal really doesn't get done. But that ticket is going to be a hard sell at those prices with Zack Wilson as your starter. Besides, they're probably 95% sure how that looks.

Rodgers is a master in the art of manipulation who LOVES to hear himself talk all the while thinking he's the smartest guy in ANY room. But he played himself...BIG TIME when he said he was 90% sure he was going to retire. He said at that time he hadn't heard from the Packers which was true...BECAUSE HE NEVER RETURNED THE PACKERS CALLS! If MacAfee had a half of brain he would have asked did the Packers TRY to reach you Aaron? But as we know MacAfee isn't quite that smart. Or he just loves his Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays and is Rodgers puppet and never asked the question that SHOULD have been the first thing MacAfee asked.

I'm very tired of this but whatever happens happens. Obviously I want what's best for the Packers which would be getting maximum in return. But if it doesn't happen with the Jets BEFORE the draft things are just going to get more interesting.

AND I get to watch a brand new era of Packers football... The Jordan Love era!

Right on schedule.

The deal is done.

They have till the draft, then the field opens up. The question isn’t whether Rodgers is gone, but whether Murphy blows the chance to get any compensation at all to offset that disgraceful extension he so recently championed that will be costing us anyway.

I saw Rob Demovsky on the Rich Eisen show yesterday, and he said that from his sources the Packers gave the jets a number of different trade options that they would be good with. From the way it sounds everything is on the Jets.

I have a feeling this deal will get done on Friday next week. They will get the first round done, then they will complete the deal on Friday.

if it doesn't get done on or before Friday next week Jets fans are going to get very restless. Especially after Joe Douglas said he was going to be a Jet.

Every year the lead-up to the draft is always fun to try and predict. Trade Up, Trade Down, Trade Players!! So many options while teams are posturing and trying to hide what their true intentions are.

This year takes the normal draft stuff and puts it on steroids x 1000. With all of the Rodgers dynamics, and now Bak and who knows what’s next. I’m thankful for some of this drama because it does make the off season exciting and unpredictable!! Imagine being a Falcons fan…yaaaawn…zzzzzz!!

Getting a Deal done is only good for Jordan Love.
You know it and I know it.
Rodgers will make money. One way or the other.
So why should he give a crap what you or I think.
There is No happy ending for him.
The character assaults will only continue.
But the real problem has never been Rodgers.
Everyone still wants him to play.
The real problem is that the packers
don't have the talent to win.
And management can't spin that
without money.
Rodgers friends were the band Aid.
And like him. Age is showing.
We now have gone from; just 2 away.
To a whole F**king rebuild.
And we just don't have the resources to do it.

Picking at the scab.

This too, shall pass.

Hang in there...we are about to get our team back!

Go Pack Go

* Mad lad Gutester...you got this! Tell the J-E-T-s to "sell crazy someplace else, we are all stocked up here".

Anonymous sources tell me that Rodgers is 90% sure.

The SMARTEST THING FOR BRIAN TO DO would be to trade Jordan Love and - GIVEN several Packer fans think Jordan will be better than Aaron was and lead the Packers to more than 11 playoffs and 1 Super Bowl over the next 15 years - Jordan should return the Packers trade compensation better than:

1) whatever the Jets would pay for Aaron Rodgers

2) what Denver paid for Russell Wilson
and

3) more than what the Rams paid the Lions for Matthew Stafford

and

4) more than the Texans paid for the Bears 1st overall pick

as Jordan is at least 14 years younger than Rodgers and 10 years younger than Wilson and Stafford and has more NFL experience than whomever the Texans will draft.

With the draft compensation from Jordan Love, the Packers could not only draft a Tight end or wide receiver in the first or second rounds, but a QB that has excelled against BIG FIVE Conference teams week to week.

Someone like Hendon Hooker, a ball protecting dual threat THIKING COMPOSED QB - like Aaron Rodgers - who played week to week against SEC competition (LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc.) and week to week for 2 years against ACC competition (Clemson, Florida State, Pitt, Georgia Tech).

Hooker made Tennessee receivers like injured Cedric Tillman (son of former Bronco Cedric Tillman Sr.) and Jalin Hyatt look good:

Love Freshman Utah State, Mountain West, 54.8% Completion %, 8 TDs, 6 INTs, 6,9 yds per attempt, 77.4 NFL passer rating

Hooker Freshman, Virginia Tech. ACC 61.1% Completion %, 13 TDs, 2 INTs, 9.6 yds per attempt, 114.6 NFL passer rating

Love Sophomore, Utah State, Mountain West 64% Completion %, 30 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.6 yds per attempt, 110.6 NFL passer rating

Hooker Sophomore, Virginia Tech, ACC, 65.3% Completion %, 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 8.9 yds per attempt, 99.8 NFL passer rating

Love Junior, Utah State, Mountain West, 61.9% Completion %, 20 TDs, 17 INTs, 7.2 yds per attempt, 82.7 NFL passer rating

Hooker Junior Tennessee, SEC 68% Completion %, 31 TDs, 3 INTs, 9.7 yds per attempt, 129.2 NFL passer rating

Hooker Senior, Tennessee. SEC 69.6% Completion %, 27 TDs, 2 INTs, 9.5 yds per attempt, 124.6 NFL passer rating

In any case, the Packers should not exercise Jordan's $20M 5th year option & should exercise their 2025 option on Aaron Rodgers by the day before September 2023 season opener to be able to spread Aaron's $58M option payment over 4 years.

If you can't trade Jordan Love for sufficient value by September 2023, start Love for the regular season and keep Aaron Rodgers on the bench.

Sensible too as it is more probable than not, based on all the Jordan Love data points, that Jordan fails to perform at even a fraction of Aaron Rodgers 2008 level, where Aaron, despite playing through injury to right throwing shoulder at Tampa in game 4, was near the top of 32 QB starters in nearly every passing category, but 2008 Packers due to loss of 3 significant defensive starters to injury - Cullen Jenkins, Atari Digby and Nick Barnett gave up nearly 100 more points than 2007 and Packers finished 6-10.

In that case (keeping Rodgers as backup to Love for 2023) , Aaron can be there to SALVAGE the Packers' season and carry them to the playoffs once again as he did in 11 of his 15 years as Packer Starter - 11 years in the playoffs over those 15 years is more than any other NFC team or QB over that period - and that is despite the Packers being the only team in the NFL that has not spent a #1 draft choice on a running back, tight end or wide receiver during the 20 year period 2003 through 2022.

What would a trade of Jordan Love bring the Packers in draft choices and players?

Look what the Panthers just traded to the Bears for unproven talent.

The Panthers just traded their 2023 1st round pick - 9th overall pick - and their 2023 2nd round pick - 61st overall pick - the Panthers 2024 1st round pick and the Panthers 2025 2nd rounder and their Star 26 year Receiver DJ Moore (the 1st round - 24th overall pick -of the Panthers in 2018, who has caught 364 passes for 14.3 yards per catch over 5 years) to the Chicago Bears for their chance to draft a QB - Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson.

More is known about Jordan Love - who had his college career, PLUS 3 years in the NFL- than any of these 4 QBs

So if Young or Stroud or Levis or Richardson are worth 4 draft picks, the 9th overall pick in 2023, 2nd round pick in 2023 (the 61st overall pick), 1st round pick in 2024, the 2nd round pick in 2025 and a young star wide receiver, what do you think Jordan Love who is less of unknown with 3 more years experience is worth?

Jordan Love in the minds of NFL GMs is just as "proven" as Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson and other QBs.

What would Jordan Love bring the Packers in trade compensation?

It will be done just in time.

Moving on... Thanks, Since '61

“How senseless is everything that can ever be written, done, or thought, when such things are possible.” - Erich Maria Remarque

Up very late last night and up this morning guzzling coffee to try waking up. All I can say is this thread certainly didn't help in that regard.

The story I believe to be true and makes sence is, the pack and jets had a deal on the table but not signed. the deal woul have given the pack some top draft picks in this and next years draft.
Ridgers goes on McCaffee and says he wants to either play for the jets or retire
That killed the deal putting all high cards in the jets deck. The jets withdrew the great offer and offered little in return knowing the packers are screwed since they know the lose rodgers either way ay.
Now the Jets sit back knowing the pack will accept the offer or end up with nothing. The jets could lose Ridgers but they pretty much know the pack will take the deal. thus Rodgers gave the pack the finger going out the door.

Only 9 more days !! I’m hopeful this ends by draft day than str can stop posting total crap like trading love to draft a qb that’s older than love with a torn acl maybe than he can stop spouting madness , and stop trying to live in the past, that ship sailed and it’s not coming back!! Enjoy the new gb packers and the new qb that by the grace of God just may be the third great qb in a row !! But however it turns out support the G !! Get on the LOVE train or get left behind

To get this done ASAP, what I‘d do if I was Gutey: Let any and all potentially interested teams know that Rodgers goes to the first bidder that agrees to provide the following – a 2023 mid-2nd rounder or higher or equivalent (i.e., #42 or 43 for the Jets, their three 3rd round picks for the 49ers, or #41 for the Titans), a 2024 1st rounder, and a conditional 2025 3rd rounder (that becomes a 2nd if the Rodgers plays 70% of the snaps in 2024, becomes a 1st if either the Jets make the Super Bowl or Rodgers wins MVP in either 2023 or 2024). The Ravens don’t have much draft capital outside of their 1st round pick, so I’d have them have to offer something like their 2023 3rd round pick (#86), their 2024 1st and 2nd rounders, their 2025 4th rounder and the 2025 conditional 3rd rounder. Go with whoever comes up with the best (or closest) deal and move on.

To anyone (including the national talking heads, and anonymous FO types and scouts) who thinks the Packer should give away Rodgers for the equivalent of a bag of doorknobs, living in central PA, I give you the trades the Eagles have made in the last 15 years or so with five different teams for mediocre (or worse) or washed up QBs that they no longer had any use for: backup A.J. Feeley for a 2nd-round pick (No. 35), washed up Donovan McNabb for a 2nd (37) and a next year 4th, backup Kevin Kolb for a 2nd (51), mediocre Sam Bradford for a 1st (14) and a next year 4th, Carson Wentz (who everyone knew the Eagles no longer wanted at that point) for a 3rd (70) and a next year conditional 2nd (that became a 1st (16) based on playing time). Not a single MVP or Super Bowl win between any of those QBs – before or after.

To quote Racingdad above, "Get on the LOVE train or get left behind."

Silence might be the best policy until something new arises.

If I'm Gutey, I call Bill Belichick every morning between now and the draft, if the Jets don't want to give up 13. I would move on to the Patriots (14) or Commanders (16). If they don't want to give up a 1st, then we're back to the Jets and their 2 - 2nd round picks... Gutey must not be a very good salesman, because a 4-time MVP should sell himself.

If Gutey makes a crap trade, MURPHY ought to be fired immediately, for not trading Rodgers last year.

If Gutey makes an OK trade, Murphy should still be fired for actually being the idiot he claimed not to be, because he lied. SMH

It is all quiet so why did you have to make more noise about it...write about the draft or something..jeez..

Mods (I'm assuming there's mods), can we please do something about the spammer? I hate the idea of banning people, but continually spamming these boards with copypasta has gotten old, fast. Thank you in advance.

Look what the Vikings paid for Sam Bradford in 2016 when Bridgewater got injured in training camp (1st/4th round picks). Just because the Jets seem the most interested at the moment doesn't mean that there won't be another QB needy team after the draft or during training camp.

#10 running the O instead of #12 will probably be a difference of night and day.

*sorry, just a lil giddy with the Draft approaching, an all.... :D Each evening, I am perspiring more and more. I can't think straight (or in a curve, for that matter).

Bartender, can you turn the jukebox up? And I'll have another Flaming Dr Pepper shot...thanks. 👌👍💪✌️

Yes, all was gloriously quiet on the Rodgers front. And then, unfortunately, this article came along with absolutely nothing to add.

Fan-fricken-tastic.

If Aaron Rodgers retires, I am ok with that. Of course I want the team to get picks or value but come on, let’s be done with it. Take the salary cap lumps (after June 1st) and be done with it.

Oh Goody, more discussion about the ex-Packers QB and the future Packers QB. Maybe we should talk about something less divisive like, i don't know, religion, politics or Covid19 vaccinations : )

Why hasn't the Rodgers trade been announced?

"Since '61" and I discussed the reason the Rodgers trade had not been announced weeks ago.

The reason is the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners that live off these players blood, sweat and tears:

"Injury pay cuts and limited leverage: five brutal truths about NFL contracts (published in the Guardian 1/17/23)

Getting injured often leads to a hefty pay cut

The NFL Network journalist Ian Rapoport reported that Hamlin’s four-year, $3.64m contract was due to earn him $825,000 this season but contained a clause to pay him at a lower rate of $455,000 while on the injured reserve list. In other words: a 45% salary cut because he suffered a cardiac arrest doing his job. And that is pretty standard for injured players.

In a sport this violent, the question is not whether a player will get hurt, but when. According to a 2017 Harvard analysis, the mean injury rate in the NFL is 5.90 injuries a game, compared with 0.45 in MLB, 0.16 in the NBA and 0.59 in the NHL. The enormous health risk means teams don’t want to commit to the kind of long-term, guaranteed deals seen in other sports. But that risk is exactly why financial security is so important to players. They’re expected to play hard all the time – and yet they could be one tough tackle away from a massive loss of earnings. The new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) agreed in 2020 raised the number of regular-season games from 16 to 17 and expanded the playoffs from 12 to 14 teams. And more games means more injuries."

and are all about MAXIMIZING PROFIT and they do that only keeping player/slave/gladiator/entertainer compensation down by NOT PAYING INJURED PLAYES/WARRIORS, but also by MAXIMIZING EQUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY SHARED revenues by MAXIMIZING TELEVISION RATINGS AND COMPUTER CLICKS on these internet sites which drives advertising and consumption and more profits.

"Since '61" and I discussed the reason the Rodgers trade had not been announced weeks ago, here is an excerpt:

Since '61: Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

STR: Exactly.

Since '61: And while that may be great for the league it could be slim pickings for the Packers in terms of the compensation they receive for Rodgers. Maybe a 2023 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2024 combined with a player or 2 (hopefully) from the current Jets roster. While the Packers may be expected to return a 2025 pick to the Jets if Rodgers retires after the '23 season.

STR: More than likely - to MAXIMIZE the 31 Billionaire PARASITES television viewership, ratings, and NFL television revenue for the NFL draft and upcoming 2023-24 season - the Jets and Packers switch draft positions in the first round as part of that trade so that Goodell can announce the trade of Rodgers at PRIME TIME during the most viewed night of the draft, Thursday night, April 27th. Friday and Saturday's later rounds will have less viewers. Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

And here is more for context:

Since '61: The current attempt to trade Rodgers is the wrong time, with the wrong team and for the wrong reasons. Wrong time because it is a year too late. Wrong team because the Packers should never limit their trade options to only one team and because the Jets have realized that they may have Rodgers for only one season so why give away the store. The wrong reasons because the Packers are now making a financial/emotional decision after having passed up on the legitimate business reasons in the 2022 off season.

STR: This bares repeating: Trading Rodgers is wrong to begin with because it further damages and destroys the identity of the Packers - as the PEOPLE'S TEAM, THE COMMUNITY'S TEAM, THE PLAYERS'/WORKERS' team - needs to be preserved by showing respect to home grown. long loyal (Rodgers and other Packer stars could have left as free agents years ago), tenured players, especially the longest tenured Packer in the history of the franchise.

In destroying this identity of the Packers the attraction of playing for the Packers and rooting for the Packers is also diminished and destroyed as I will elaborate on more in my response. The destruction of this identity and the values that create this identity has a far broader and long lasting effect than any value gained or lost from a trade or release of Rodgers or any other long tenured, loyal, and in this case, top performing Packer player/worker.

Since '61: The other wrong reason is that the league wants this trade to happen in attempt to get the NY TV market engaged in doubleheader and prime time games.

STR: Yes, and "the League" is 31 Parasitic Billionaires whose interests go well beyond football and those football interests are not whether their individual teams win or lose, but rather if the league wide television, gambling and licensing revenues are maximized as each billionaire has a 1/32 interest in those collective revenues.

For the Packer fans all this additional revenue will mean - given the way current Packer Management works is a more glitzy scoreboard, more glitz and commodities around the stadium, gambling kiosks throughout Lambeau Field stadium, more unaffordable luxury seating and an eventual renaming of Lambeau field to Amazon Park or something similar.

Since '61: I have posted in the past that Rodgers is not just a Packers QB, he is the league's QB. Where Rodgers goes TV ratings, revenues and fan participation follows whether it's fans of his team, fans of Rodgers, FF players and gamblers. Players like Aaron Rodgers are a league's media, revenue dream come true. Show me the money and follow the money. That's where the league is at and that is why they want and may assist in making this trade happen by the NFL draft.

STR: That is exactly where the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners - "the League" - are at/is at and they easily manipulate the minds of the fans to give away their hard earned cash watching what is no longer a game but choreographed entertainment with the 31 Billionaire Parasites' values interjected throughout the entertainment further demeaning US society and poisoning our minds.

Since '61: Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

STR: Exactly.

Since '61: And while that may be great for the league it could be slim pickings for the Packers in terms of the compensation they receive for Rodgers. Maybe a 2023 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2024 combined with a player or 2 (hopefully) from the current Jets roster. While the Packers may be expected to return a 2025 pick to the Jets if Rodgers retires after the '23 season.

STR: More than likely - to MAXIMIZE the 31 Billionaire PARASITES television viewership, ratings, and NFL television revenue for the NFL draft and upcoming 2023-24 season - the Jets and Packers switch draft positions in the first round as part of that trade so that Goodell can announce the trade of Rodgers at PRIME TIME during the most viewed night of the draft, Thursday night, April 27th. Friday and Saturday's later rounds will have less viewers. Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

Since '61: A great deal for the league but for the Packers not so much, especially if Love, the coaching and/or the FO flops.

STR: I don't think there is much doubt that Love will not meet Rodgers performance in 2008 when Rodgers too was a 4th year QB. In fact I think Jordan's performance will be much worse. We have enough data points with Jordan leading all of College football in most interceptions thrown by a QB his last year of college in 2019-20 and the 1 game he started - Kansas City - and couple other relief appearances, Detroit where he was blitzed and Philly where the game was over and Philly sat back and let him complete short passes you and I could complete. Without more live regular season games there is no evidence to provide any other conclusion.

I will be shocked if the Packers exercise their $21 million 5th year option for Jordan for 2024 come May 1, 2023. Talk about cap space? What a waste of cap space that would be. The Giants did not exercise their 5th year option on Daniel Jones and Jones had 36 more starts than Jordan.

The calculating "business" thing for Brian and Mark to do - not the morally and ethically and Packer Identity protecting thing to do but, but the calculating business thing to do - would be to drop the ignorant and emotion driven trade and exercise the option for Aaron's 2025 season by paying Aaron the $58.3 million payment which can then be spread over the life of the remaining 4 year contract and bring Aaron back for 2023-24 and let Jordan compete for the starting job.

Give Jordan the starting job the first few games of the regular season and see how he does. if Jordan performs better in 2023 than Rodgers did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then the calculating "business" minded soulless Brian and Mark can trade Aaron in between the March 15, 2024 season's first day until the September 2024 deadline for the Packers to exercise their option for Aaron's 2026's season when they must pay $47 million to be able to spread that $47 over the remaining 3 years of the contract.

If Jordan - after 4 years as and NFL QB - performs much worse than Aaron did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then no team in the NFL will be chomping at the bit to sign Jordan Love to a new contract for 2024 going forward and the Packers can look at drafting a QB in 2024, if they have not already drafted one in a few weeks that did not lead all of College Football in interceptions.

If you look at the year by year 2000 through 2022 NFL statistics for total QB performance from Stats Muse - totals for all 32 teams quarterbacks - you will notice that quarterback performance numbers have improved significantly. This is in no small measure to the continuous rule changes to protect quarterbacks and create more offense and scoring.

If you compare 2008 totals for all QBs - Aaron's 1st year as a starter - to 2022's totals for all QBs, you will notice the following:

Passer Rating - has increased 7.1% (Aaron's 93.8% in 2008 would have been 100.4% in 2022)

Pass Attempts per season has increased 9.3% (Aaron's 536 in 2008 would have been 586 in 2022)

Completion Pct. - has increased 5.2% (Aaron's 63.6% in 2008 would have been 66.9% in 2022)

Yards per Attempt - has increased 1.4% (Aaron's 7.5% in 2008 would have been 7.6% in 2022)

Yards per Game - has increased 4.5% (Aaron's 252.4 or 4,038 yards over 16 games in 2008 would have been 263.88 or 4,486 yards over 17 games in 2022)

TD% per pass attempt - has increased 7.6% (Aaron's 5.2 % in 2008 and 28 TD passes would have been 5.6% in 2022 and 32.5 TD passes in 2022)

Interception % per pass attempt: has fallen 17.1% (Aaron's 2.4% in 2008 would have been 1.9% in 2022)

Interceptions: have fallen by 10.2% (Aaron's 13 in 2008 would have fallen to 11.6 in 2022)

Keep these numbers handy as we compare Jordan in his 4th year relative to Aaron in his 4th year in this Ignorant, emotion based Packer Management trade goes through.

This is a serious football question that I posted for the first time earlier today, yet it keeps disappearing.

There are no ad hominem attacks in this post - as is true the posts of the blind with rage Aaron Rodgers haters.

When one CENSORS the independent thoughts of Packer Fans - whether they are pro trade or against the trade or pro management or critical of management - you are left with Echo Chamber of people patting each other on the back and shutting out other points of view and often the truth.

This is a serious topic and question - AS EVERYTHING HAS ITS PRICE - if provided enough quality compensation there is an acceptable price for every player, including Jordan Love.

What would a trade of Jordan Love bring the Packers in draft choices and players?

Look what the Panthers just paid for unproven talent.

The Panthers just traded their 2023 1st round pick - 9th overall pick - and their 2023 2nd round pick - 61st overall pick - the Panthers 2024 1st round pick and the Panthers 2025 2nd rounder and their Star 26 year Receiver DJ Moore (the 1st round - 24th overall pick -of the Panthers in 2018, who has caught 364 passes for 14.3 yards per catch over 5 years) to the Chicago Bears for their chance to draft a QB - Young, Stroud, Levis or Richardson.

More is known about Jordan Love - who had his college career, PLUS 3 years in the NFL- than any of these 4 QBs

So if Young or Stroud or Levis or Richardson are worth 4 draft picks, the 9th overall pick in 2023, 2nd round pick in 2023 (the 61st overall pick), 1st round pick in 2024, the 2nd round pick in 2025 and a young star wide receiver, what do you think Jordan Love who is less of unknown with 3 more years experience is worth?
Jordan Love in the minds of NFL GMs is just as "proven" as Young, Stroud, Levis, Richardson and other QBs.
What would Jordan Love bring the Packers in trade compensation?

I have never read one of his postings. When I see STR at the top i just scroll past it. There is nothing new anyway and I know AR was great, I have a television.

The Packers should trade Rodgers to the Broncos for Russel Wilson and a 1st round pick and 2 players. Then turn around and offer Wilson to the Jets for what they are asking for Rodgers now. How's that for a new twist?

Or more realistically, trade AR to the Niners for all three 2023 3rds, a 2024 conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if they go to the Super Bowl (which they will) and some players. Make the offer and get it done.

The Jets can piss off.

"The 49ers went to the NFC title game last year with a seventh round pick in Purdy. Just imagine how far they could get with a four-time MVP?"

My bet would be in the range of first round playoff to NFC Championship.

Philly is the only team that could hang with them so at least NFC championship game. At best Super Bowl.

As far as compensation goes. We get all three 2023 3rd rounders, a 2023 6th rounder, a 2024 1st (no conditional because it will be at the end of round one, so its really a 2nd rounder), and Hufanga-a good, young. cheap, Safety.

I thought about Darnold as a backup QB, but he makes $5.5 million. Too rich.

I don't think Rodgers would say no. He would have a way better chance to get to 2 super bowls in a row with the Niners than the Jets, maybe 3 if he played 3 more seasons.