Cardiac Pack Picks Up Where They Left Off

The Packers built up a convincing lead against the Saints, then watching it diminish and come down to a last-second heroic defensive stand? Sound familiar? Yep. Is it a good thing? Definitely.

New flash:  for a few more hours, the Green Bay Packers will have the honor of having the best record in the NFL, thanks for a 42-34 nail-biter that kicked off the NFL season in every way Roger Goodell could have hoped (and certainly a far better display of solid football than the Saint-Vikings yawner last September).  Having arrived home late to watch the game, I had to turn on the DVR and fast-forward through the commercials.  So, by the time the game ended, my recording had caught up, but my heart palpitations had not.  Watching the stop on the one-yard line with no time remaining might be the first time I literally hit the floor since Antonio Freeman’s miracle catch against the Vikings ten years ago.

Yes, in the words of Yogi Berra, “It was like déjà vu, all over again.”  The defending Super Bowl champs made a habit of desperately protecting narrow leads late in the fourth quarter last year, requiring a bit of extraordinary defensive heroics to pull the game out when the offense decided to become rather ordinary.

Did it surprise me, this seeming continuation of last year’s Cardiac Pack?  Yep.  But at the same time, it doesn’t concern me, either.  In fact, it just might be the key to this team making the return trip to the Super Bowl.

Last week on Cheesehead Radio, I postulated that we would see a different Green Bay team this year.  The return of weapons on the offense, coupled with a strong attempt to fortify that side of the ball in the draft, would lead to a more balanced Packer attack.  The Packers offense, with all its targets for Rodgers to throw to, as well as a two-headed rushing attack, would build early leads and leave it to Clay Matthews and Co. to sit back in nickel/dime situations protecting it.  We could hand the ball off to Grant and Starks and grind out the clock on offense, while Dom Capers would frustrate the heck out of an offense desperately trying to pass its way out of a three-touchdown deficit.

Well, for about a half of football, I was right.  At halftime, the only reason the Saints were within ten points of the Packers was a Darren Sproles punt return for a touchdown, and Green Bay looked to win this game running away.  But the second half plan didn’t work out.  Aaron Rodgers passed for only 100 yards in the second half, 92 of them coming on one drive that ended with John Kuhn’s touchdown plunge.   Starks and Grant combined for 41 yards on eleven carries: a sub-4.0 average that wasn’t enough to preserve the other drives and take time off the clock.

And, before you knew it, two fifteen-point leads were whittled down to a potential game-tying drive by the Saints:  all the way down to the one-yard line based on a rather questionable pass interference call on AJ Hawk, who looked like he had already made the heroic play the Packers needed.  Any Packer fan not on the edge of their seat when Drew Brees quickly handed the ball to Mark Ingram (a rookie trying to play the hero himself) was probably already jumping up and down or passed out on the floor.  The wave of defenders rising over the pile to thwart what should have been an easy plunge into the end zone may not have looked like Tramon Williams’ pass defensed in the Super Bowl, or Sam Shields picking off the Bears in the NFC Championship, but it was the same amazing kind of play that preserved a lead and a win.

It’s a series of heroic defensive plays in the final moments that leave the Packers with the victory, and the other team with the “What If’s”.

So, perhaps I was wrong.  The Packers may not be the balanced team this year that will easily dispatch opponents with its amazing display of offense and solid, stifling defense, allowing the Lambeau faithful to leave the stadium early if they so desire without missing much.  Maybe they will again be the team that can get a lead, and then have to stave off the late rally with defensive heroics.  Maybe this is the same flawed team as last year, the one that had difficulty putting together four solid quarters on either side of the ball but was able to just eak out a win in the final seconds more times than not.

And I say:  awesomesauce.

It’s not an easy task making it back to the Super Bowl, especially if you’re a team in the NFC, where the last team to repeat was the Green Bay Packers thirteen years ago.  But there’s much to be learned from that repeat in the 1996 and 1997 seasons, and perhaps why the Packers didn’t come away with two rings instead of two.

The Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers of 1996 was perhaps one of the most dominant teams in league history, ranking at the top of the league in offense and defense and holding some of the most dominant numbers in any historical rating system devised.  But the 1996 Packers went through their 13-3 season with a monkey on their back, with demons in their closet.  On too many occasions previously, they had brought knives to their playoff gunfights with the Dallas Cowboys.  This year, they were locked and loaded.  But, a Week 12 loss to the Cowboys kept those doubts alive as to whether they had what it took to make it past them in the playoffs.

As it turned out, the Cowboys made an early exit from the playoffs, and the Packers did not have to face them on the way to the Super Bowl.  Despite that, Green Bay silenced the critics (and their own doubts) with the glorious win over the Patriots in Super Bowl.  It was the culmination of a five-year plan under coach Mike Holmgren, who made sure the players remembered every step of the journey along the way.

You might have expected the same results the following year.  The Packers finished with the same record (13-3), were NFC Central champions again, received that first-round bye and cruised through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl.  But there was a different feel to this team.  There were more media appearances, more players with side deals doing radio shows, TV specials, commercials, and other sponsorships.  The team exuded confidence, and fans went into the season expecting to win each game as defending Super Bowl Champions.

Heck, I even declined tickets to go to regular season games, choosing to save up my money for those playoff tickets that “actually meant something”.  It was cocky on my part, and certainly, you can glean that the Packers themselves carried themselves with a different attitude, too.  You just didn’t get the feeling the Packers had that chip on their shoulder like they did the previous year.

But the critical game might have been played on November 23, 1997, when the “Showdown in Titletown” finally brought the Dallas Cowboys to Lambeau Field.  It was a new day, a new era, with the defending champion Packers finally getting to deal some revenge to the team that had thwarted them for so many years.  The game itself had a hometown Super Bowl feel to it…perhaps rivaling the atmosphere that pervaded much of Green Bay this past week.  This was the vindication game, the revenge game, the “prove-it” game against the team the Packers had never been able to beat.

And they did.  It wasn’t just any win, either, but a push-your-face-in-the-mud 45-17 shellacking that you usually only see in Madden.  The Packers and their fans celebrated like they had added another Lombardi Trophy to the case.

But from a purely objective point of view, it shouldn’t have been that huge.  The Cowboys were a shell of their former selves, dropping to 6-6 after the loss.  This was a team the Packers should have beat.  Objectively, the team on the other side of the line of scrimmage was a team struggling to vie for a wild-card bid, not the dominant team they once faced.  But psychologically, this game had an incredible impact.

The 6-6 Cowboys lost their last four games and missed the playoffs.  The 9-3 Packers won their last four remaining games and captured the first seed in the playoffs.  But moreso, the Packers had vanquished their last demon.  They removed the last chip on their shoulder, and were able to take the field knowing they were the masters of the universe, the real Super Bowl Champions with absolutely no qualifiers anymore ("they wouldn't have made the Super Bowl if they would have had to face the Cowboys").  They exuded confidence, and why not?  What else did they have to fear?

Now, this may sound like 20/20 hindsight, and I wasn’t writing a blog in 1997 to link back to, but I always felt that win against the Cowboys hurt them more than helped them for that very reason.  I told my friends that same day that I hoped the Packers didn’t waste a “power-up” on a team they didn’t need to waste it on, especially if there came a day in the playoffs when they would need it.  I also said I would gladly trade another regular-season loss to the Cowboys for another Super Bowl win.  Naturally, and perhaps a precursor of things to come, I was labeled as being negative.  *sigh*

You see, I am a firm believer in the psychology of the game.  I believe coaching and playcalling makes a difference in the final outcome.  I think you can outcoach yourself and outthink yourself.  I believe you can beat yourself.  This runs in the face of many of my colleagues who believe that NFL football comes down simply to talent and execution, that the X’s and O’s take precedence over the motivation of the players and the chess match engaged by coaches.

And maybe they are right.  I could be wrong.  But on January 25, 1998, the confident Packers swaggered back into the Super Bowl as overwhelming favorites to win.  They had no more demons or chips to get in the way of their play on the field, no more fears or insecurities to defeat.

And on that night, they met a hungry team led by a quarterback with a chip on his shoulder the size of Colorado.  In the end, the Packers lost their edge and watched the Broncos walk away with the trophy almost everybody believed would be added to the Packer collection.  This wasn’t the same resilient team that fended off a third-quarter Patriot scare the year before.  This was a team forced to let Terrell Davis score a fourth quarter go-ahead touchdown so they would have enough time to try and mount a comeback.

In just twelve months, the Packers went from losing a regular season game to the Cowboys and having everything to prove in the playoffs, to winning a regular season game against Dallas and no longer having to prove anything.  I’m often left wondering if the Packers had lost to Dallas that day, you know… perhaps entered the playoffs as a #2 seed, and still had doubts about how good they actually were… if they might have actually brought home that trophy instead of the Broncos.

Today’s Packers could fall into the same trap, and perhaps their chip is even more critical than yesterday’s team.  You would think Aaron Rodgers and his pass-catching circus could easily finish #1 overall on offense, but last year they ranked #9.  You would think Dom Capers and his crazy defensive schemes would have put the Packers atop the defensive standings, and while they were close, they still ranked #5 in yards allowed.  The Packers are a great team with great talent on both sides of the ball, but still have that trait having major lulls in the game and making up with it with the Big Play.

It creates great drama, as we saw last year when the Team That Shouldn’t Have narrowly escaped games week after week with a big interception.  It gave this team the confidence and perseverance to overcome adversity, when the offense faltered or the other team suddenly surged back.  It’s what gave this team its identity and the confidence to win.

Sure, there’s a part of me that wants to see Aaron Rodgers build up a 21-point lead by halftime, then watch our running game grind out ten-minute drives and watch Dom Capers toy with desperate teams trying to play catch-up  against  our secondary while Clay Matthews pitches a tent in the backfield.  It’s a sign of a historically dominant team.

But that’s not our Packers.

The Cardiac Pack won a Super Bowl by defending a lead against a rallying team late in the game, more times than not.  If we can learn anything from the past, it is if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Mike McCarthy’s teams thrive when their back is against the wall, ever since he took over as coach in 2006.  Last Thursday night, the Packers defense was backed up as far against the wall as you can figuratively place yourselves, and rose to the occasion.

Will 2011 be a repeat of those kinds of game, week after week?  I think if the Packers want to spend time in Indianapolis in February, they stick with what got them there last year.  I don't want to see them taking that chip off your shoulder and thinking they are really are as good as people say they are.

That chip is what Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy, and the Green Bay Packers thrive on.  I am going to purchase a portable defibrillator and enjoy the ride.

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PackersRS's picture

September 11, 2011 at 03:44 pm

I still believe this team has much more talent than any other team in the league, but they simply are not a consistent team, have never been.

The only time we've put up complete efforts on all sides of the ball was in the playoffs, we're still to do it on the regular season, and I don't expect that to change.

I believe we'll win the division and possibly the conference. And I believe we can go 16-0, with the talent we have.

But I don't believe for a second we WILL go 16-0, simply because this team doesn't play 100% all the time.

They only play 100% when it matters the most. And I'll gladly take it.

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dougie smooth's picture

September 11, 2011 at 05:12 pm

I blame McCarthy for habitually letting teams back into the game. No coach in the NFL starts milking a lead earlier in the 3rd quarter than McCarthy. It is his weak point as head coach. No killer instinct with the game in hand is to McCarthy as 3-man rushes on 3rd-and-long are to Capers. Drives. Me. Effing. Nuts. It is most certainly NOT "awesomesauce".

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tundravision's picture

September 11, 2011 at 05:48 pm

It has driven me effing. Nuts. For years. But honestly, I don't believe this team knows how to play any differently, and at some point you just have to embrace it and ride the tide. I'd love for them to be a four-quarter dominant team, but I see no evidence that, even at full strength with an embarrassment of riches of talent and innovating scheming on both sides of the ball, the Packers are capable of doing it consistently.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 11, 2011 at 10:27 pm

Football games are games of ebb and flow, and there's enough talent in the league that no team always plays four quarters of consistent football. We see it more in our team because we watch the Packers more. That's not to say that some teams aren't more consistent than others, but I'm not sold on the idea that we're wildly more inconsistent than other teams. There are a lot of teams out there that are consistently bad. I would take our team and coaches over any others in the league.

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PackersRS's picture

September 11, 2011 at 06:34 pm

MM's scheme is based on working the perimeter, which isn't made for sustaining a lead.

To do so, he has to work more conservatively, running the ball more and working with PA passes.

I wonder what you and others would be saying if, like a lot of times last year, Rodgers missed some passes, which resulted in 3 and outs, and NO was able to mount a comeback, having enough time. Then it would be "MM is not conservative enough, wants to pass the ball all the time".

The OL was DOMINATING, the running game was working, and in the end NO ran out of time. MM (what a novel concept) TRUSTED HIS DEFENSE, THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN HAS COME UP BIG WHEN IT COUNTS.

If NO has 20 more seconds, they win the game.

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dougie smooth's picture

September 11, 2011 at 07:24 pm

I don't know about these "others" you're mad at, but I was saying this same thing last year, almost every game.

>> "MM’s scheme is based on working the perimeter, which isn’t made for sustaining a lead."

It is a good scheme for extending the lead, though, no?

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Jordan's picture

September 11, 2011 at 05:15 pm

"You would think Dom Capers and his crazy defensive schemes would have put the Packers atop the defensive standings, and while they were close, they still ranked #5 in yards allowed."

I wonder where they would have been ranked if McCarthy and the offense closed out more games?

Capers and the defense held Brees to 264 passing yards and 20 points with 5:30 left in the 4th quarter.

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 11, 2011 at 10:40 pm

I don't totally understand the thinking behind the oft-expressed notion that the defense has to keep bailing out the offense. The O put 35 points up, and ST tacked on 7 more. The D could have made this game comfortable by making stops on any of about eight other drives. Also, that last drive by the O, even though it didn't get any points, took 4-5 minutes off the clock. Yet because the D made a great play on the goal line at the end, they saved the day? More like they dug themselves a hole and barely got out of it.

Jordan - this isn't necessarily a direct comment on your post. It just seemed to fit here best.

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Jordan's picture

September 11, 2011 at 11:51 pm

Idiotfan,

If you rewatch the game, you'll see that Brees made some impressive throws and there was some impressive catches in the final 6 minutes of the game. Up until that point, the Packers defense held Brees to 264 yards passing and 20 points which is pretty darn good.

Also, I would recommend doing a little research on Drew Brees. A lot of people don't have a firm grasp of just how good he is. He has more career passing yards than Tom Brady. He will surpass Joe Montana this year and he's only 32.

If you keep giving a future Hall of Fame QB like Brees the ball in desperation comeback mode, trust me, he's going to do some freakin damage.

There's been many an NFL fan that has asked the same question..... "why didn't our defense just stop Brees"?

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Idiot Fan's picture

September 12, 2011 at 10:04 am

Oh, I totally agree on how good Brees and the Saints offense are. My only quibble is with the notion that the D always has to save the day or even "carry" the offense. The D was given a tough task on Thursday, and they did juuuuuust enough to succeed, given that the O/ST gave them 42 points to work with. That's not the same thing as "saving the day."

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Iain's picture

September 11, 2011 at 05:28 pm

Good post. Enjoyed reading it. Agree with you for the most part. Games in recent seasons such as the defeats in Tampa Bay and Atlanta seemed to do a good job of re-establishing focus and direction.

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 06:40 pm

I can't read your material. Too much, much too long. I have been biting my breath not to say anything, but had to make a comment. As Bedard used to say, say it in a few sentences. Hope no offense is taken.

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dougie smooth's picture

September 11, 2011 at 07:46 pm

I debated making a similar comment and decided against it. Blogging is a pretty personal expression, so there's not really a right or wrong way to go about it. Just look at Grantland, they're trying to float an entire site on long-form sports journalism.

Speaking as random schmo reader however, to CD I would say you are absolutely nailing it on your topic selection. Great articles, might could use some editing-for-length.

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tundravision's picture

September 11, 2011 at 08:15 pm

Hey, Doug and Zero, thanks for the constructive criticism. This one did pull away from me a little bit, but I do try to keep my Sunday Specials to around 1,500 words...in other words, I'm doing a long-form feature, and that's my role here.

I've been buried at work the last few weeks, and haven't been able to do as many additional pieces during the week, which are considerably shorter and more in the length you prefer. I'm hoping to get to at least one or two of those this week. Thanks for the input!

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 08:29 pm

No offense meant at all. I've Just found it hard to wade through the long pieces, and when I can't I feel I'm missing out in the long run.

Thanks for the reply. I'll try to be a better reader, as I know that your work is most worthy.

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PackerAaron's picture

September 11, 2011 at 08:54 pm

You are being forced to read it? No? Huh.

(You keep on keeping on C.D. Not everyone has attention deficit disorder.)

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 08:57 pm

Aaron - not a statement that I'm being forced to do anything. Just that I find it hard to read such long pieces. I am not trying to be overly critical at all, just a statement that such pieces loose me somewhat as a reader.

Sorry to have made you upset. Oh, I have ADD? Sorry to have tried to be constructive.

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PkrNboro's picture

September 11, 2011 at 09:15 pm

ZT -- right on.

Nagler, you need a reality check. If you're going to issue the harsh commentary (and you do so often), then you've got to be willing to receive it.

When it's "your" site, you really look like a jerk when you have to have the last word (always)

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 09:45 pm

May I remind you, sir, that I have been a funder of this site, having responded to three of your request for funding over the last few years (Buy us a Beer). I'm not saying I deserve any special consideration, but at least I should hope that I would not be the target of any of what I consider to be an abusive reference (ADD).

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Any reply?

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PackerAaron's picture

September 11, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Zero - we are grateful for anything and everything you have given to CHTV by way of contribution. But that hasn't bought you a license to rip our writers or our content whenever you see fit without reprisal. My only point was - you don't want to read longer pieces? A solution is a mouseclick away. Instead, you tell the author "say it in a few sentences"? How about we let the writers write how they want and stick to debating the thoughts and ideas presented in each post rather than telling them how to write...

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Timbo's picture

September 12, 2011 at 12:33 pm

"that hasn’t bought you a license to rip our writers or our content"

ZT was polite and apologetic when he commented about the length of this article. He offered constructive feedback. It was hardly a "rip." Why so defensive? Aren't you interested in what your readers think of the site?

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PackerAaron's picture

September 12, 2011 at 01:14 pm

I wrote that prior to seeing his other comments. My point stands - you don't want to read something, click away.

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 12, 2011 at 09:52 pm

I 'ripped' no one. That was your interpretation. I only wanted to suggest that I, and I suspected others, was not reading the material, and therefore a portion of the audiance was being missed. The POINT was that I wanted to read the material.

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chris k's picture

September 11, 2011 at 07:54 pm

Long, but terrific article nagler... i WILL SAY THIS THOUGH

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PackerAaron's picture

September 11, 2011 at 08:53 pm

I didn't write it. ;)

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chris k's picture

September 11, 2011 at 07:59 pm

This is silly to say lol : They only play 100% when it matters the most. And I’ll gladly take it.

Like really.......

This team is exciting to watch no doubt and soemtimes I wish they blew a team out more often, but I believe this season we will. We just played one of the top 3 or 4 offense in the league! Cam Newton is in for a long day with these guys headed to Charlotte!!!!!!!

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PkrNboro's picture

September 11, 2011 at 09:05 pm

CD, this article/column was abusively long -- so much so I didn't even read past the third paragraph. I've tried to read some of your previous stuff, but it "loses" me early on.

So I'll just have to disagree with the title and say that it's NOT a good thing to have a/many game(s) decided on the last play.

Is it thrilling and exciting? yes.
Is it a by-product of DnD, and a youthful club? possibly.
Is it McCarthy's game-plan? No, so the fact that the game-plan is failing is cause for concern.

Suggestion: Make your case in the first paragraph, and support it with several (3-5?) points. In the following 3-5 paragraphs, substantiate each point. Then sum it up in a final paragraph.

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glorious80s's picture

September 13, 2011 at 02:54 pm

>Is it McCarthy’s game-plan? No, so the fact that the game-plan is failing is cause for concern.<
The concern is the O seems to stall out in the 4th quarter - you have to keep driving and scoring even if it is a more conservative approach. Also, the D seems to, as was said, dig itself into a corner.
Playing with matches....

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WisconsInExile's picture

September 11, 2011 at 09:51 pm

I appreciate the perspective, as someone who didn't follow the NFL back in the '90s. It required only a bit more time to read, but found it to be a rich piece worth the effort.

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tundravision's picture

September 11, 2011 at 10:38 pm

Hey gang, thanks for the input. Here's where I am coming from.

I have spent the last ten years or so writing about the Packers on various websites. I'm never going to be the guy who posts seventeen times a day with the latest blurb and two cents on it. I don't have a day job that allows me to do it, and there's more than enough folks out there in the blogosphere who do a brilliant job at it already, including some fantastically talented people here at CHTV.

My thing is feature writing. Really, always has been. And, its always been a dream of mine to be in a position to write the kind of feature articles you might read in Sports Illustrated. I'm a story teller. And yes, sometimes I can get a little repetitive. And sometimes I get a little redundant, too.

Aaron/Corey have offered me that opportunity to be a feature writer, once a week on Sundays. I'm thrilled to do it. It allows me to focus on my long-form insight pieces and craft my skills. I have no qualms about admitting I'm far from perfect, and I'm sure someone will find something to pick apart in every article I post. I'm totally fine with that. I've had helpful critics and outright haters over the years who've torn my work apart, and I'm thankful for it because its made me a better writer.

Was this one a little longer than I usually do for the Sunday Feature piece. Yep. Could I have shortened it? Yep. I guess my point is to create pieces that tell stories, that bring perspective to what is happening in the world of the Packers. My feelings are not hurt if you find them too long to read. Seriously. I've never presumed to believe everyone wants to read 2,000 words before the game starts.

But, I know there are people out there like me who love to disappear in a great novella about their favorite teams and players. I can't tell you what I would be able to produce if I had credentials to just spend five minutes with DJ Williams or Alex Green, and could turn it around and tell their story in more space than the local newspaper is allowed to take up. I'm not there yet. I'm still developing my craft so that if, someday, I am allowed that ten minutes with a player, I can paint a vivid picture of what they've fought through to get here.

The great things about CHTV is whatever niche you're looking for, they have someone here who writes it. You want journalistic updates, check Brian. You want in-depth X's and O's analysis, you have Aaron. You want opinion pieces, you have Jayme and John, Max, Holly, Andrew, and the rest of the gang.

I'm doing my best to fill a niche. Please, please let me know what I can do to improve my writing and make it something more readers want to enjoy. Just understand that when I write a feature piece, the story I'm trying to tell is more important than my word count.

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Jay's picture

September 11, 2011 at 11:55 pm

CD, I appreciate the history you give in columns like this. History gives us perspective on how we should look at a contemporary situation. To sacrifice that for the sake of a word count is ridiculous. To those of you who prefer something shorter, learn the fine art of scanning.

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Jay's picture

September 11, 2011 at 11:57 pm

Alternatively, CD, you could slice this up into 92, 140 character tweets...=)

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PackersRS's picture

September 12, 2011 at 06:12 am

Been reading your work since Tundravision. You write too much because you can. Don't forget that, man.

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Spiderpack's picture

September 12, 2011 at 09:28 pm

CD, Please don't change a thing! With regard to coverage/articles on our beloved Packers, IMO you are thoughtful in a way that is rivaled only by Bob McGinn's work. Been reading your writings for over a year now and my only concern when I learned you were coming to CHTV was that the quality of your work would not change. I find your work enlightening, you seem to offer that missing piece of "understanding" that makes everything more clear in my Packer Universe.

It is unfortunate that a side effect of our culture's trend toward internet reading, texting, facebooking, etc. leads some of us to such a lack of patience where we'd actually ask a fantastic writer to condense his work in a stale reductionistic way. Don't change a thing.

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BigSnakeMan's picture

September 13, 2011 at 03:11 pm

C.D.-I can get thumbnail sketches anywhere...hell, I do 'em myself.

Your posts are always articulate and insightful, even when I disagree with your premise. Don't change a thing.

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ZeroTolerance's picture

September 11, 2011 at 10:50 pm

CD - I'm glad Aaron et.el. has provided you this forum, and I am glad to follow your input. I never meant any slight. Let's look forward to a wonderful regular season, and I will see to your input.

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Nik's picture

September 11, 2011 at 11:45 pm

"I’m often left wondering if the Packers had lost to Dallas that day, you know… perhaps entered the playoffs as a #2 seed, and still had doubts about how good they actually were… if they might have actually brought home that trophy instead of the Broncos."

They were the 2 seed. Won NFC title game in San Francisco that year.

Were they favored by too many points after that? Yes. Did it go to their head? Maybe. But I'm pretty sure the Dallas game was far from meaning anything to anyone by that point.

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Ryan's picture

September 12, 2011 at 12:11 am

I was hoping that Packers performance in the playoffs in Atlanta last year signaled the turning point for MM...finally he was learning to put teams away. Maybe that was just a fluke? :-)

Though it may be heart attack inducing, it's still better than the years of being on the other side...just needing that one last miracle score to tie the game.

Thanks for the article.

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JonBob's picture

September 12, 2011 at 02:57 am

Nice thoughts, but I disagree. I think it's "awesome" that our defense is able to continually come through, but I do NOT think it is awesome that we continually put them in these situations. As someone else already commented, "thrilling? yes," but definitely not what MM is/should be planning for.

For those of you who use the "Brees excuse" for our inability to put the Saints away, I have one name for you: Caleb Hanie. Yah, that's right. The Bears' third stringer more or less dismantled our defense in crunch time. That tells me that it's not the talent of the QB, the problem originates on our side of the ball. And it's irksome.

I don't know about you, but I would prefer to be sitting pretty with a two-score lead as the clock winds down. This is the NFL after all, and our defense simply won't be able to make EVERY one of these heroic last stands, time in and time out. As someone said, if the Saints had 20 more seconds, they would've probably tied it up. (AND YES, I KNOW THEY DIDN'T SO I DON'T NEED THAT RETORT)

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Jordan's picture

September 12, 2011 at 06:15 am

So you're calling giving up 14 points on the road "dismantling"? I call it good defense.

One of us is completely out of touch with reality.

Seems like the number 1 defense in the NFL gave up an average of 14.5 points per game last year.

The number 1 offense in the NFL scored an average of 32.4 points per game last year.

Ya ever hear of a third string QB named Jason Garrett from the 90's? He had a pretty good day against the Packers on Thanksgiving of 1994. Packers had some guys on defense that I've never heard of like Reggie White, Leroy Butler, Gilbert Brown, Doug Evans. Packers had some dude named Ted Thompson as the Director of Pro Personnel back then. I wonder what he's doing these days? Probably retired and living in Texas. :)

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G's picture

September 12, 2011 at 03:18 am

The packers were the number 2 seed in the 1997-98 playoffs. San Francisco was the number 1.

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paxbak's picture

September 12, 2011 at 06:29 am

This marks the third time in the last few I have heard that the Packers were a number one seed in 1997. They were not. They had to go to San Francisco to win the NFC championship. They should have won that year - thanks Gabe Wilkins for not showing up - had we convinced Sean Jones to stay another year we win - we still should have won the game - Bad ref calls on interference with the first interception (Robert Brooks was tackled) and holding on the last 20 yard run by terrell davis - Can you tell that game STILL bothers me? I think this year we will learn to use the dagger early and often - we just had to go to school against New Orleans first.

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Jordan's picture

September 12, 2011 at 06:58 am

Rodgers went for dagger/kill shot against Bears in last years NFC Championship game. He threw a beautiful pass directly in to the hands of Erlacher in the red zone. And doinked a pass off the foot of Donald Driver.

I'm pretty sure Rodgers fumbled in Packers territory vs Eagles in Wild Card game to let the Eagles back in to the game last year.

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Tarynfor 12's picture

September 12, 2011 at 09:37 am

IMO,no matter how good/great one may think their defense to be,against teams that are explosive offensively as yours,you cannot let up.This would be better against a team that CANNOT pass it's way back as the Saints.

If Cobb doesn't run that KO back for a TD,this game is totally different and possibly with the Packers in the role of the Saints and failing at the end.

Becoming lackadaisical in games with leads increases the risk of loss,not only the game but with injury on the defense as they strain to DEFEND what little has been given instead of more which allows a safer play with less time afforded the opponent.

Shutting down an offense in the second half and raising the pressure on the defense will get you to a place NO ONE WILL LIKE.

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glorious80s's picture

September 13, 2011 at 03:01 pm

So right. And even if you go into a conservative mode, it still shouldn't be predictable.

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Nerdmann's picture

September 12, 2011 at 11:04 am

Our special teams continue to be a disgrace. This game should not have even been close.
Showing that you can dominate, then letting the other teams hang around year after year is not "awesomesauce." How'd that work out in Arizona?

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September 12, 2011 at 02:29 pm

About that "20 more seconds NO would have won" mindset, they still would have had to converted a 2 point try to tie, won a coin toss, and scored again. I thoought it highly unlikely at the time and I still do. That being said, the law of averages will have to catch up sometime, no?

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G's picture

September 12, 2011 at 07:55 pm

That's not how the law of averages works, but yes, NO had about a 1/8 chance of winning if you approximate the 4th down, 2pt, and OT as ~50% (the actual numbers are marginally higher for the conversions but in the 50-60% range).

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Steve's picture

September 13, 2011 at 09:21 pm

CD, I love your articles. It's hard to find insightful, well thought out writing any where on the web about the Pack. I get real tired of the sound bite world. Give me something to think about with a little depth. Please don't change a thing, except give us more articles to read. Keep up the good work!

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