Brett Favre Is Not Who We Thought He Was

Remember that guy you used to defend against all the detractors? The guy you would be so happy to see every autumn Sunday? The guy who made football so fun to watch because he was just like a little kid out on the football field?

Yeah. He's a little kid alright...

(Hat-tip: Don Walker)

 

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jerseypackfan's picture

January 30, 2009 at 09:42 am

Just got done reading this. I have been reading alot about players speaking out against Farve. It reminds me about all the stories I heard from fans about Farve, Winters and Chumra hanging out in Wisconsin bars in the early 90`s all that believable now.

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Andrew's picture

January 30, 2009 at 09:47 am

Please stop. This isn't relevant for the 2009 Green Bay Packers and just causes rifts among the faithful. Additionally, it makes me sad. Please don't post this kind of stuff.

That's my quarterback. And my other quarterback.

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 09:49 am

Sorry Andrew - I know exactly how you feel. The thing is, sometimes blogging serves as a release for me, and this subject in particular just gets my blood going. Promise there won't be much of it (and I think I was pretty good during the season of not documenting every twist and turn in Favre's year with the Jets) but sometimes, I just have to... ;)

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Alex Tallitsch's picture

January 30, 2009 at 09:50 am

Wow. Just wow.

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brat1475's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:07 am

I think Brett is suffering from what happens to all star athletes, he believes the hype. Can you blame him after 16 years with the Packers. He was the man, and took everything on his shoulders on the field. All of a sudden when your not the man any more, it can be tough to take. You go somewhere else and you don't have the same status as you did in GB. Sooner or later Brett will get over it. I don't think it's something personnel against AROD, just more Brett having to deal with his change in status, falling from the top. Once he has his attitude adjustment, things will change.

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IronMan's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:14 am

jerseypackfan said: "That’s my quarterback. And my other quarterback."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNO6On7cK1M
(someone had to post it)

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Ron La Canne's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:15 am

And we haven't even got to the Super Bow; yet. Favre has no problem calling Romo and giving him advice. By the way Brett, how did that work out for Tony?

A guy you mentored (supposedly) for three years calls and you blow him off. I guess we now know what you are. A petty, vindictive, angry, small person. What a disappointment! He's got a problem with TT? Fine, take TT on. Don't be a whinny little baby.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:27 am

I read the story. I also heard Rodgers on Jim Rome yesterday. I don't like what I'm reading and hearing about this guy.

What a wimp. "I wish Favre reached out to me more"? And on Rome he talked about how it hurt his feelings when fans were yelling swear words at him in middle of the Favre/Rodgers crap last year. And about how great he felt when the Packers fans cheered for him after the final game against the Lions. A lot of that Rome interview was about his personal stats and goals from 2008 and there wasn't much talk about how bad 6-10 sucked. Aaron seemed to gloss over the 5 straight losses before the final Lions win and he felt good about going out with a win.

Well sack up sissy. I don't give a crap about your stupid personal goals and stats unless you're my FF quarterback. Stop talking about your stupid feelings and start leading this team like a man. We don't need a metro-sexual leading the Packers, we need a fearless leader whose top concern is winning games and leading the rest of the team. Aaron Rodgers is making me a bit nervous.

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dustybricks6's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:28 am

This is good time to introduce my new website, www.HugsforAaron.net

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:32 am

scrump - while I agree with you to some extent, there was this from Rodgers on Mike and Mike:

""The [season] stats look pretty good, but quarterbacks are judged by wins and loses and we only won six. We lost seven by four points or less. I think that was the most difficult thing, the most frustrating thing. Because we had a chance to win those games. A lot of times we had a great second-to-last drive and then not be able to finish it out with the last drive. I take a lot of that on my shoulders. You're paid to win games, to be clutch down the stretch, and I wasn't. I didn't play as well as I would have liked to down the stretch, and that's disappointing. But you learn from it."

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Franklin Hillside's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:35 am

Scrumptrulesent, stop talking about your stupid feelings and start making sense like a man.

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Donald's Designated Driver's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:36 am

(1) He was asked about Favre. He gave an honest answer---someone he thought was his friend won't return his calls.

(2) I don't think Rodgers ever said it "hurt his feelings" that little kids were swearing at him. He said it "bothered him." As well it should. It's disturbing to see children behaving that way.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:38 am

He said some of that same stuff on Rome too Aaron, and that's good to hear. But I don't hear the other "feelings" crap from Roethlisberger, Cutler, Rivers, or any others like I do from Rodgers. He's a little too sensitive and needs to realize a lot of people are watching him, especially teammates, and if they sense weakness you can lose them quick.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:40 am

Good joke FH. Almost worth the time it took you to type it.

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:41 am

scrump - will you at least acknowledge that he has gone through something that no other athlete, let alone quarterback, has ever had to deal with? There's no road map here. Plus, all he gets asked are "How did it feel" questions. He's answering the best he can. It's a stupid question, not a stupid answer...

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 10:43 am

You could be right DDD, and maybe I'm wrong. I just don't like that I'm hearing stuff from Rodgers that I don't hear from other QB's in the league. He should stop being so candid and just start giving the media less to work with.

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Franklin Hillside's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:11 am

I just copied and pasted.

Candid? Did you ever listen when there was a mic in front of Favre? That guy never stopped talking about anything EVERYthing on his mind. It's different though, because he's tough right? He's a gunslinger out there havin' fun? Yeah, that must be it.

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packerwatch's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:18 am

Aaron Rodgers has more class than Brett Favre could ever hope to have.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:22 am

Do you realize who you're talking about? I know you may not like Favre based on how it's ended with him in GB but he can damn well say anything he wants. He was a fantastic leader in the huddle, every guy completely trusted him. The guy commanded respect because of his track record. He played EVERY game! You can rip Favre for his stupid antics these past couple years and that's fine, but Aaron Rodgers still has a hell of a lot to prove while Favre doesn't need to prove anything. He's walking straight to Canton when he finally does retire. So far, Aaron Rodgers has one 6-10 year under his belt, as well as some good stats. Wow!

I don't care that he's following a living legend, nor do I care that he wishes Favre reached out to him more or some stupid kis swore at him. He'd better grow thicker skin if he's going to be our leader on the field. Expectations are a lot higher than 6-10.

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packerwatch's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:27 am

and scrump, when you play through 3 football games with a severely strained shoulder then maybe you can call someone a "sissy."

until then stay on your couch and keep drinking beers in your cheetohs-stained wife-beater to affirm your heterosexuality and make sure you're not "metrosexual."

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:27 am

To packerwatch: No argument there. Aaron seems to have a lot of class. Will his class help win football games?

He mentioned how good it made him feel for the fans to cheer him as he left the field after the last game of the year when they beat the Lions, even though they'd lost the previous 5 games. Would the classless Favre have ever said that? Hell no, because he's too much of a competitor.

I sure hope his extended contract that TT just gave him isn't because of his class, do you?

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:30 am

packerwatch - easy on the insults. This aint that kinda joint.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 11:32 am

packerwatch, you can bash me all you want to buddy. it means absolutely nothing to me.

aaron rodgers makes millions and millions of dollars to play a game. excuse me if i don't give him more slack.

i'm not an aaron hater by any means, i want him to do well. and favre pissed me off the way he left. i'm hoping for rodgers to win so we can forget all the favre drama. but i just was mentioning that i didn't like what i was hearing from a guy who's team just went 6-10 and that's all we know of him so far.

love or hate favre, i respect the hell out of him for what he did on the field in green bay for so many years.

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Andrew in Atlanta's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Aaron, let's not do this again. I am so angry right now by scrump's comments that this could get ugly in a hurry. BF does not play for the Packers any longer and I am very glad for that. I liken it to divorce. Used to love him, now I don't. Let's move on. Let's talk about the draft, FA, Dom Capers, MM or anything but #4. Thanks

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jerseypackfan's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:08 pm

Just goes to show you that you cannot have a Super Bowl without someone bringing up Brett Farve.

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gratif's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Many will always see Aaron as the sissy long-hair from Californee who ran their beer drinkin' pickup drivin' self-proclaimed redneck out of town.

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packerwatch's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:17 pm

sorry. i'll watch the insults. i just think the idea of a monday morning qb calling any NFL player a sissy is ridiculous.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Andrew in Atlanta: I did not bring up the Favre thing. I liken it to a divorce as well and I too am glad Favre's gone. I'm hoping Rodgers does a fantastic job and I'm completely behind him. This is a blog full of opinions and I gave mine......Rodgers is making me nervous. I don't know why you'd get angry.

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scrumptrulesent's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:28 pm

gratif: Don't get me mixed up with the crowd you're speaking of. Favre ran himself out of town and I'm glad he's gone. Aaron put up with a ton of BS during that soap opera and I respect him for how he kept his nose clean in that situation. And I like some things I've seen from him on the field, no doubt.

I'm no longer a Favre fan, I'm a Rodgers fan because he's the QB of my favorite team.

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Franklin Hillside's picture

January 30, 2009 at 12:29 pm

Franklin Hillside loves a good argument and loves talking in the 3rd person.

Let's be honest here, he's handled this really well. If you don't think so, you're asking for the moon.

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Donald's Designated Driver's picture

January 30, 2009 at 01:23 pm

Apparently nobody here remembers the half dozen or so post game press conferences where Favre sobbed and cried like a little school girl.

You ever see Rothlisberger (or Aaron Rodgers) cry during his post game press conferences?

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Ron La Canne's picture

January 30, 2009 at 01:36 pm

Yeah, DDD let's not forget two nights of whimpering to Greta Van Sistern (I know). I should give a GB stockholder more respect.

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Pack66's picture

January 30, 2009 at 01:53 pm

ARod is a big pussy. What does he want from Farve, a hand job? A pat on his ass?

C'mon...Ted Thompson screwed Favre over and all of Packer nation when he let Favre go for this guy, Mr 6-10, who's a numbers hanger, like Tony Romo, and not a winner.

The TV Baby pussy Packer fans want to jump all over this (and Favre) because they can relate to this X-Generation loser.

The Pack is Back...to the 1970's..har har...

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 01:55 pm

DDD - I remember feeling for him after the opening game of the Ray Rhodes season against the Raiders. I think that was the first time he cried at a PC, and all my buddies at the bar that night all made fun of him. And I stood up for him, saying they didn't understand, they hadn't seen the game, blah blah blah. That's the kind of thing that makes his current behavior so disappointing.

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Pack66's picture

January 30, 2009 at 02:04 pm

I will laugh my ass off next year when the Packers tank again with Mr. 6-10 and Ted the Moron gets his escort out of town.

The "Nouveau Packer fan" makes me sick. No loyalty or sense of the past history of the game, and backing their idols who give them instant gratification just because they are young and different...

Sad, indeed.

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Pack66's picture

January 30, 2009 at 02:26 pm

I see how this forum works. You have to be a Favre hater to post here.

I don't remember Favre whining like a little girl because the Majik man didn't talk to him...

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 02:32 pm

Pack66 - first of all, welcome. Secondly, easy on the name calling/language. Third, why so hostile? And how can you say fans aren't being loyal by getting behind Rodgers and/or Thompson? Favre was a great player and did a lot for the organization - so did Bart Starr. I respect the hell out of them both, but neither of them play for the Packers anymore - Rodgers does. If you can't get behind the team as it is, you're the one who isn't a loyal fan. Yes, you can criticize them all you want (lord knows I do) but to say that fans who cheer the current squad have no sense of loyalty is asinine.

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Andrew in Atlanta's picture

January 30, 2009 at 02:48 pm

Ok Scrump, I'll take you at your word. I saw it as Rodgers bashing and I'm just so tired of defending the guy. He's been nothing but a class act. But, this is why I made the comment to Aaron about not doing this again. It's too emotional an issue and I can't stand when people jump on a blog when they see a BF post so they can slam mgmt and ARod. The intelligent conversation and lack of flame is what makes this blog exceptional. It's hard for some (including me as an Arod supporter) to maintain civility on this topic.
Thanks for responding back Scrump

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PackerAaron's picture

January 30, 2009 at 02:52 pm

Pack66 - "You have to be a Favre hater to post here."

Obviously, you haven't met Keith...

;)

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Donald's Designated Driver's picture

January 30, 2009 at 03:07 pm

"I don’t remember Favre whining like a little girl because the Majik man didn’t talk to him…"

Maybe that's because Majik had more class than Favre? One possibility.

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Alex Tallitsch's picture

January 30, 2009 at 03:32 pm

Whoa. How did I miss all this fun.

Personally, I like the fact that Aaron shows an alleged soft side. It is the type of universal attitude and mentality that both professional athletes and society need to adopt if this country/planet has any chance to learn from its' mistakes.

This me Tarzan you Jane attitude doesn't sit at the cool kids table anymore. Get used to it.

P.S. I have that kind of joint.

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Ron La Canne's picture

January 30, 2009 at 03:47 pm

Let's be honest about the whole Favre thing. Favre wanted to retire from GB when he wanted to retire. He would not participate in OTA's. He would not participate in physical development programs. He dogged training camp. When opening day came he wanted the clock to start on his consecutive game record. His problem was MM and TT started telling him to hurry and make his deccision because they had to have an answer or Rodgers gets the job. Hence, his attitude toward Rodgers.

Once again, he is pulling the same crap. Only this time it's with the Jets. He'll get cut or retire again and then change his mind and show up at Minn. just before training camp. He'll go through the first 6 games looking like the Brett of old. And then his damaged throwing arm will fail again. Just like it did this year.

In his mind he feels Rodgers stole his destiny. Actually, it was his attitude about all the issues above that caused his departure. MM asked over and over again if he was ready to dedicate the effort to get ready for the season by participating. He retired and unretired. Every time he was asked about participating he'd back off a final descision. Whatever happened at that time was as much his fault as anyone else. It certainly wasn't Rodgers that creted the situation.

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Franklin Hillside's picture

January 30, 2009 at 03:49 pm

Pack66, your nostalgic attitude is comendable, your vitriolic rhetoric is not.
Get over it. Move on, or just admit to yourself and everyone here, that you're not a Packer fan anymore. You're a Favre sycophant.

Who loves good vocab? Aaron Rodgers, that's who. He went to Berkeley.

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Chicago Hooligan's picture

January 30, 2009 at 04:30 pm

Hmm, have we finally found a problem that the 3-4 defense can't fix?

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Franklin Hillside's picture

January 30, 2009 at 04:45 pm

No such problem exists.

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Nick's picture

January 30, 2009 at 06:00 pm

Frank Hillside thinks no such problem exists.

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PackerBelle's picture

January 30, 2009 at 06:59 pm

"The “Nouveau Packer fan” makes me sick. No loyalty or sense of the past history of the game, and backing their idols who give them instant gratification just because they are young and different…"

I find this comment extremely offensive. You would likely consider me a nouveau Packer fan because I dislike Favre and strongly support Rodgers. I appreciate many years of memories of Favre. And I was very sad when he retired last year.

But I can't stomach his behavior. His arrogance at demanding a release, his stated desire to play for a division rival rather just wanting to play, talking to the Lions about the Packers, calling Romo while not even returning Rodgers' phone call, etc are not the person I though Favre was. I support Rodgers because he is the QB for my team and he's handled himself with a lot of class.

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shoegal's picture

January 30, 2009 at 07:57 pm

In the words of Joey Lawrence "Whoh!"

I guess Aaron and Corey can't post about #4 anymore. It is still upsetting for a few.

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Aaron Rogders's picture

January 30, 2009 at 08:51 pm

What I find strange is that the NFL does not want Favre to play against his former team. You would think from the NFL's standpoint that it would make great TV and be a definite Monday Nighter... I am only basing this off of though the Packers 09 opponents.

I think this story hits everyone in the heart, because just about all Packer fans and the state of Wisconsin looked up to him as a hero. Well guess what, he is not the guy we all imagined him to be. Right now everyone has mixed feelings about him but all the insults really need to stop. This site is not about a team in Dallas and I believe the fans of GB are much better then that.

Group cheesehead hug please! lol

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Cuphound's picture

January 31, 2009 at 03:54 am

I wore Brett Favre's jerseys all the time. I've got two of them. The number four is practically worn off them both. I always wore them couple times a week until this year.
I had mixed feelings about Favre, even a decade ago. Let's say the obvious--he was a fucking god. He could work magic with a football. He's undoubtedly been the best thing to happen to Green Bay Packers in my lifetime. There was stuff I didn't like about him. He had a cocky streak about five miles wide and the Sherman era made painfully clear that without a coach who could govern that streak, we weren't going back the Super Bowl. I thought it was kind of cold how he totally dropped Mark Chmura like a hot potato. Yeah, Chmura was incredibly stupid to do his drinking with high school kids while stripped down to his boxers in a hot tub. On the other hand, I can't imagine pretending any of my buddies didn't exist, no matter how dumb they'd been. So, in some ways, he was a bastard. But he was our bastard.
And he was a god.
I don't know if Rodgers has a prayer of ever being a god (but he didn't look bad at all this year, so I'm pumped for him). But I actually like Aaron Rodgers. I doubt I'll ever wear his shirt. I'm Favre's age, after all. But I really like the kid and am proud of how he performed this year.
I have to say that the whole Lions phone call incident was tacky. And I was more disappointed that Favre didn't really put any effort into being a good teammate to any of the guys on the Jets. I thought he respected the game more than that.
When I teach essay writing, I have a whole "Writing As Football" routine that I do. I still wear Favre's shirt for that. But it feels a little hollow.
And I hate that. Because he was a fucking god and I really wanted him to stay on that pedestal.
'Cause all those Sundays, even though I knew it wasn't true, I wanted to believe he threw that ball for me, working the magic that I never will. And I lived and died with every pass.

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L.A.'s picture

January 31, 2009 at 07:43 am

I don't think anyone can deny the presumption that Favre is an arse. We all knew it then, but didn't want to say it much because he was our quarterback. Now that he is no longer our quarterback, it is far easier to throw spears at him.
On the other hand, Rodgers, who is our quarterback, gets a pass from most fans on publicly airing dirty laundry and as Zeigler says, having the hosts consoling him as if they were doting parents. We don't criticize Rodgers for being a wuss, because he's our quarterback and we still are circling the wagons around him because of Favre's lingering effects.

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cheese5's picture

January 31, 2009 at 11:33 am

HOLY CRAP. It just goes to show the wound that a lot of Packer Fans have.

The reality is we all are going through the "five stages" differently and at different times.

There a lot of good comments in there. I just looked at the JSONLINE post and it has 1002 comments. dang

Know this. This website is for All Packers Fans Everywhere.

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ricgrish's picture

January 31, 2009 at 05:15 pm

I'll still take him any day of the week .. i lived in wisc for 25 yrs and wont come back until TT is gone or brett retires.. 6 and frickin 10. wow

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Keith's picture

January 31, 2009 at 05:45 pm

I don't understand why we need to pick sides. Nobody knows the slightest bit about what happened between Favre and the Packers/Rodgers, despite what either party has said to the media. Of course each side is going to portray their side in the best possible light.

I like Brett Favre because I loved watching him play football. Period. End of story. He's never been in jail and hasn't done anything terrible (as far as we know), so I could give a crap if he calls up Aaron Rodgers to BS.

I would love to see how many of you would react if your company brought in your replacement, asked you to train him, then, when they thought he was ready, told you that you weren't welcome back. Then, when you said, fine, I'll take my services elsewhere, they inform you they will enforce the non-compete clause in your contract, so you'll have to work hundreds of miles away from where you've worked your entire life. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you would be pissed off.

But of course, professional athletes are demi-gods who are supposed to be the embodiment of all virtues that we cherish.

And if you want to talk about society and blah blah blah, I think it's pretty sad when the entire time Packer fans were raising Favre's pedestal higher and higher they had an axe behind their back, ready to chop him down because of something as dumb as not calling Aaron Rodgers back.

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Andrew in Atlanta's picture

January 31, 2009 at 07:33 pm

"Of course each side is going to portray their side in the best possible light" - which is exactly what you just did Keith. That is not even remotely close to what happened. I have tried desperately to remain mum on this topic but it gets increasingly harder with each post I read.

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PackerBelle's picture

January 31, 2009 at 10:05 pm

"I’ll still take him any day of the week .. i lived in wisc for 25 yrs and wont come back until TT is gone or brett retires.. 6 and frickin 10. wow"

Have you forgotten the 4-12 season so quickly?

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ricgrish's picture

February 01, 2009 at 06:40 am

people like to blame Brett NOW for the Packs past failures,before even the 13&3 season I had already stopped buying Packer gear, I figured if management was'nt going to spend money to help the pack then I wouldnt spend anymore money on them. TT lived off Brett, Thats how he has so much cap space. When the offence was good andthe deffence sucked ,they woul'nt spend any money on th"D" When we had trouble with injured recievers & no running back (still no running back) TT would not bring in any real talent. If they dont commit to winning then why would you commit to them. THIS IS A WIN NOW LEAGUE

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PackerAaron's picture

February 01, 2009 at 08:36 am

Keith, pardon me, but that is beyond rediculous. Using your scenario, you forgot to throw in the fact that the guy I helped train to do my job and I became very good friends, knowing that some day my job would be his. Would I be angry? Of course - at management. Would I be angry at the guy who I spent the last three years getting to know and like? Only if I was the emotional equivalent of a 12 year old, which is exactly what Favre has become.

Look, I don't hold anything against the man on the football field (though the occasional dagger-in-the-heart-of-the season interception can still cause me to wince at the memory)but this post was about his actions off of it and how he's acting like a spoiled brat.

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PackerAaron's picture

February 01, 2009 at 08:38 am

ricgrish - "When the offence was good andthe deffence sucked ,they woul’nt spend any money on the”D”

Huh? Um, what about the offseason where Thompson signed Woodson, Pickett and Manuel?

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PackerBelle's picture

February 01, 2009 at 08:42 am

"people like to blame Brett NOW for the Packs past failures,before even the 13&3 season"

I don't blame him, just like I don't blame Rodgers for going 6-10 this year. However, you refuse to blame Favre for 4-12 but blame Rodgers for 6-10. If Ted Thompson is the problem (as you seem to claim) then Rodgers cannot be at fault.

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Keith's picture

February 01, 2009 at 10:45 am

PackerBelle, bringing up the 4-12 season is beyond ridiculous considering it was Brett's only sub .500 season in his time in GB.

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Keith's picture

February 01, 2009 at 10:48 am

Aaron, how do we know they became good friends? Because Aaron Rodgers says so? There are people I worked with who I joked around with and who I would chat with on a daily basis that I no longer speak to and who I never really considered a "friend." And there isn't anything wrong with that.

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Keith's picture

February 01, 2009 at 10:54 am

Finally, I don't see how "Is Brett Favre Being Mean to Aaron Rodgers?" with the subtopic of "Is Brett Favre a Spoiled Brat?" has anything to do with the 2009 Green Bay Packers. In my opinion, this is a topic for the message boards. Then again, you know what they say about opinions...

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PackerBelle's picture

February 01, 2009 at 11:57 am

Keith, the issue is not that Favre was there during the 4-12 season but rather that either the QB is entirely responsible for a team's record or not. And if so, Favre is as responsible for a 4-12 season as Aaron Rodgers is for a 6-10 season. Yet ricgrish blames Ted Thompson for the 4-12 and Aaron Rodgers for 6-10. That is a double standard.

Yes, 4-12 was his only sub .500 season but that seems to me to be simplifying things. Having Reggie White in the 90s certainly helped, playing the Detroit Lions twice a year probably also helps, having a good rushing game helps, etc. While a QB certainly is very important they aren't the only person on the team. Was Favre to blame for the 4th and 26 debacle in Philly? No. Just as Aaron Rodgers wasn't responsible for the missed Crosby field goal in MN. Rodgers needs to prove himself. He's shown some pretty darn good abilities but he needs improvement in some areas. And if he can't then we need to look into other options. But ultimately the QB isn't solely responsible for the season.

As for whether or not Rodgers and Favre are/were friends we can't know. However, we do know that Favre had Rodgers to his house for dinner during the season, which suggests a fairly decent bond between the two guys. Especially given the chilly reception that Favre had upon Rodgers being drafted.

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 05:59 am

Talk about a lack of character, then you have to look no further than the scumbag Ted Thompson and his nefarious moves since he's been in Green Bay. Hiring Ari Fleisher for publicity? Why not Karl Rove? He's the King of Character assasination and ad hominem arguments....and let's face it, that is what that scumbag Ted Thompson was trying to do...Forget about cell phone gate in Green Bay? i don't. Forget about Fatass Mike McCarthy golfing with Jay Glazer? i sure don't...Why you deify and worship these snakes that have slithered into Green Bay and ran out and slandered a GB and NFL icon (Favre), i'll never know.

Now you have so called "fans" of the Packers wanting to jump on any story to "trash" Favre and portray him as an evil asshole at every turn..to protect their "sensitive" QB Aaron pussyman Rodgers...

You people don't deserve a QB like BF, who had raised GB's pathetic franchise from the ashes...and dust is where you shall return with your beloved Aaron Rodgers.

It's going to be funny to watch it happen, and to watch that pathetic snake Ted Thompson fired from Green Bay, as he should be...

http://www.firetedthompsonnow.com

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WoodyG's picture

February 02, 2009 at 11:01 am

Pack66

Your 'crusade' has really grown tired & pathetic. You show up all over the web with your "Farvette Religion" & have yet to realize that you are a minority & getting even smaller. Your message is always the same - without any merit or evidence to support your comments. I see even JetFans want you off their forums. You're alot like BF - no one wants you around anymore. Why don't you just curl up in the corner & quit barking like all good dogs do??

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 11:20 am

What's the matter WoodyG, do I strike a little too close to home about the swine, Ted Thompson?

I have never posted on a Jets forum, so you're a liar too. Doesn't surprise me. All of you anti-Favre-ites have to lie, and spew your venom of hate, all to support a losing cause, a 6-10 GM, and an average Tedford QB who couldn't hold Favre's jock.

The only person everyone will want gone is Ted Thompson next year after another losing season, pal.

Welcome back to the 1970's Packer fans...Packer football, TT Style...

meh

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PackerAaron's picture

February 02, 2009 at 11:25 am

Pack66 -

If Favre is so great (he's not - he WAS - but he's not now) how do you explain how horrible he looked in December this year? I mean, you don't like Thompson - fine. But Favre was awful the last 6 games of the year, just awful. (Trust me - I live in NY and see every Jets game) You also don't like Rodgers - fine - but can you at least admit Rodgers played well down the stretch, as opposed to Favre, who was terrible?

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 11:58 am

Easy. But I'm sure many here don't want to hear the truth or accept it.

Denver showed the league how to beat the Jets. The Jets WR's are terrible. No deep threat AT ALL. If you take away the short passing game, you take away the whole passing game. No one gets open. The coaches were too dumb to switch to the run to soften the pass defense up...add to that, Favre possibly has a bad wing. The Jets defense totally collapses...boom. You have a collapse.

As far as AROD and the Packers go....

Favre is much better at reading defenses than AROD based on his experience, etc..He knows who to go to on the Packers (07) before the ball is snapped. Rodgers holds on to the ball too long and is baited into rookie mistakes when the pressure is on and the game is on the line. He simply doesn't have the talent. He is not even in the same league as Brett Favre. If you believe that he is, then you are clearly biased.

Rodgers may be ok in a few years, but he will never be as good as Favre in my book, and Favre should have been in Green Bay this year!

That boondoggle rests in the lap of one Ted Thompson!

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February 02, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Add to this that Favre beat Tennessee and New England in their houses....and the Jets were 8-3.

Then the short passing game was taken away. The Jets need some new WR's....the Packers WR's are much better, imo.

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February 02, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Pack66 - at least we agree that the Pack's wide outs are much better. ;)

I understand what you're saying re:Favre with the Packers being better due to experience. But how is Rodgers supposed to GET that experience with Favre jerking the franchise around? Getting Favre back this year may have helped the Packers to a winning record, but there was now way they were winning a Super Bowl, not with that defense. So what good would have keeping Favre done? Nothing whatsoever. He would be a year older and the Pack would still have a quarterback in waiting who had never played. It worked out perfectly for the Packers in regard to setting up the quarterback position for the future. You decry Rodgers inexperience, yet don't want him to get experience. Makes no sense.

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 01:17 pm

The Packers were one game away from the SB last year, so it makes sense that they were poised to get over the hump this year, doesn't it? At least to my way of thinking it does.

Also, you never know when teams are going to make a run. Pittsburgh was very mediocre this year, and Big Ben pulled out about 4 games during the regular season that got them in the playoffs. Once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen. The Cardinals didn't have the greatest defense, yet they almost won the SB.

We can't wait forever for Ted Thompson to get his **** together, if he ever does.

There's no guarantee that the Pack will get back to the NFC Championship game again with Thompson and Rodgers..so you might as well take your shot with Favre....

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February 02, 2009 at 01:30 pm

Come on Pack66 - you're really reaching there. Big Ben got a mediocre team into the playoffs? I suppose the number one defense in the NFL had nothing to do with it? And they did it against the toughest schedule in the league. And I hear you re:getting hot at the right time and the Cardinals having a sub-par defense. The Packers didn't even have that this year - they had a historic-in-its-futility defense, one of the worst ever to take the field for the Packers (and after the 80s, that's saying something) Favre wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 04:19 pm

Sorry...but that's BS...(and an excuse)

I guess it's not TT's fault either that he's fielded a shitty defense after 5 years right, it must be Sherman's fault! C'mon...you all love to say that they lost 6 games by a close margin, you don't think that Favre could've made up for those deficits?

I do. It is lame to blame it on the defense. AROD threw a few game ENDING picks as well. Guess that was the defense's fault too.

How come Wolf was able to sign FA Vets to fill holes as the season went on, and he lost players to injury, but Ted Thompson is unable to do so. Must be Sherman's fault as well...or maybe Favre's...

blah..blah..blah..

Keep up the Packer (Ari Fleisher/Karl Rove) talking points and drinking the Ted Thompson kool-aid, however. It is amusing.

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Pack66's picture

February 02, 2009 at 04:21 pm

Yes, the defense helped the Steelers. But not last night. Big Ben won that game that the Steelers D was about to lose in the 4th quarter...that's what a game winning QB like Favre does for you..

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February 02, 2009 at 04:25 pm

Pack66 - right. When I point out the Packers had a weak defense, it's an "excuse". When you point out any number of 'excuses' for Favre's horrific play at the end of the year, well, that's just fact because you say it is. I must remember the rules of engagement when it comes to dealing with blind Thompson-hating.

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February 02, 2009 at 08:05 pm

Comparing Rodgers first full season as a true Starter to Favre's 16 seasons is nothing but PATHETIC ... and intensely DESPARATE. Talk about man-luv to the Nth degree. This is it, coming from Pack66. Has he tried to get a private cell-number?
Rodgers has only one way to go, since he was an actual Rookie on the field in 2008. Stepping in, like you are Doug Pederson, for one partial game a season IS NOT the same thing as being the Starting QB that "other" teams prepare for. Any true fan of the NFL knows this. NOBODY EVER prepped for a game against Doug Pederson - luv the guy for how he supported the active starters, but seriously, NO ONE EVER worried about Pederson being who they would have to lose a game against. THAT's WHY he was never a Starter....
AARON RODGERS, however, IS.... a QB to be worried about. Just like Favre was in his beginnings -- the DIFFERENCE.. Aaron Rodgers plays the game more like Bart Starr than Brett Favre. THIS is what makes Bootlegger MORE dangerous than Gunslinger. The WHOLE League is currently prepping for THAT Aaron Rodgers, rather than the Rookie they saw last Season. NOTHING is more important for Trader Ted Thompson in the offseason than to get the right personnel who can PROTECT our new Franchise QB -- if THAT doesn't happen, the Bootlegger will simply not last that long in the League. No one ever said it was fair, that's just the way it is. They went out and got guys who could protect Favre. Now, they can go do the same for Rodgers. It's as simplistic Spock Logic as it gets. [Yea, TT, I hope your people are reading this - it's the damn straight truth]
There isn't a thing wrong with Rodgers that wasn't worse with Favre when he first started - go back and look at some of the tirades Holmgren used to throw on the sidelines... You will never see Rodgers cause MAC to have those manic events. It's a whole new balllgame now, and I'm betting the rest of the League is more worried this time, than they have been since Reggie White left. Without Reggie, Favre hasn't won a thing! Stick that in your pipe, Pack66, and smoke it.

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Keith's picture

February 02, 2009 at 10:14 pm

Pack66, as CheeseheadTV's resident Favre defender I cannot endorse your behavior on this post. When I defend Favre, my intention is not to be divisive, it's mostly to play devil's advocate from Favre's perspective. Ultimately, I still am, and always will be, a Green Bay Packer fan. And I am, and foresee myself remaining, an Aaron Rodgers fan.

Comparing the two QBs is not only pointless, but it's unfair to both Favre and Rodgers. The former is a sure fire, first ballot, Hall of Famer, and the latter is a young guy trying to find his way as a starter, nevermind try to fill #4's shoes.

What riles me up is whenever these posts get put up, there are inevitably going to be those who end up trashing Favre to make their point. You have done the exact opposite, and I do not condone that. If you have to resort to mudslinging to make your point, then I believe 9 times out of 10 your point is worthless.

Why do we have to trash Favre? I just don't get it. The guy won us a Super Bowl. He won 3 MVP awards. He had one losing season in 16 years in Green Bay. He broke almost every meaningful passing record there is. HE NEVER MISSED A GAME. The only reason we know anything about this behind the scenes stuff is because America has shifted from the Land of the Free to the Land of TMZ. Someone mentioned how we never heard about Favre crying about Majik man spurning him. You want to know why, BECAUSE NO ONE GAVE A CRAP ABOUT THAT KIND OF BS BACK THEN. The only thing "FOOTBALL FANS" cared about was what happened on the field. And that is all that I care about.

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Pack66's picture

February 03, 2009 at 10:12 am

Elmo Said,
New Dumbass to add…TED THOMPSON!!!

67311. Farve to Vikings rumor
by CMartinRules, 2/3/09 8:35 ET
The St. Paul Pioneer Press speculates “if the Vikings are unable to trade for Matt Cassel of New England or Matt HasselbeckGoing-Long-With-a-Seahawk of Seattle, it wouldn’t be shocking if they made a run at [Brett] Favre should he become available, as expected.”
Writer Charlie Waters says the JetsNew York Jets could waive Favre to clear his $13 million from their tight salary capthe-1-executive-club Mar-26-2008 .

The Vikings were thought to be Favre’s preferred destination last summer, but to keep him out of the NFC North the Packers traded him to the Jets.

A condition of that trade stated that the Jets would owe the Packers three first-round draft picks if they traded Favre to the Vikings.

On Tuesday, Favre confidant Peter King of SI.com may have tipped the quarterback’s hand when he told ESPN he had “a gut feeling” Favre would consider a return if he could somehow play for the Vikings.

Super BowlBetting-on-the-Super-Bowl Sunday, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported “that Favre could be anglingThe-New-Fly-Fishing to join the Vikings, but such a move would not happen via trade because it would cost the Jets multiple first-round picks (according to ProFootballTalk.com).”

Ok so what if the Vikings give the Jets 3 first round picks for Farve and the Jets hand the Packers the 3 first rounders. I wonder if the Jets would have a choice of the 3 they gave up?

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Pack66's picture

February 03, 2009 at 10:30 am

..and no..the Vikings won't give 3 first round picks to Ted..the Jets will maybe just "cut" Favre and he will be able to go where he wants, and to who wants him (feeling Minnesota, anyone?)

The beginning of the end for ol' Teddyboy..

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strat1080's picture

February 06, 2009 at 12:49 pm

scrump, did Ben Roethlisberger or Jay Cutler ever have to deal with a situation like the one Rodgers was put in? No, just shut your up man. You make no sense. They don't say stuff like that because they weren't put in arguably the most difficult situation in sports history. Its not like Aaron Rodgers is seeking out the media to speak his mind. He was asked a question. What don't you understand about that. I've heard people bash Rodgers for making these comments but he was asked a question. Do you get it? He was ASKED a question?

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