You have your 3.
I have mine.
The Draft- Drafting the trench-
Check out the last 3 yrs for both
Missing pieces- WRS
Both went FA/veterans and drafted WRS.
It’s keep fighting and you'll Never Lose.
The packers are weak minded.
They would rather console one another.
Rodgers points to:
Moxie -courageous spirit and determination; perseverance:

Here are my three:
1. KC has a coach who makes in-game adjustments based on what the defense is doing. We have a coach who flaps his arms.
2. KC’s defense, while not great, is good enough to make enough stops and big plays to allow their All-Pro QB to win the game. Our defense takes the ball away from the center and pushes the opposing team’s training staff.
3. When the defense shuts down KC’s main weapon, their QB throws it to lesser players who are open. Our QB runs around waiting for his main weapon to get open and then throws it out of bounds while ignoring open receivers because he doesn’t “trust “ them.

"The Packers could take a lesson here regardless of who their quarterback is next year: build around your quarterback, but don't depend on him to do it all (it also helps if the quarterback doesn't insist on doing it all)"

Wow, WHAT a concept. Imagine, using the 52 other players on your roster to give you the best chance to win on any given Sunday. Remember back in 2019 and some of 2021 when the Packers offense showed lots of motion? Schemed players wide open AND the QB actually followed the script and participated? Ever since MLF became HC, the Packers offense has gotten further and further away from the true roots of his offense.

"Then, with the help of some halftime adjustments, they held the Eagles to one touchdown in the second half while the offense got back on track"

Spagnola has now coached three SB winning defenses. NONE of his defenses were considered "Great" defenses, pretty much middle of the road IIRC. But what he's always been really good at is adjustments. No matter what the opposing offenses were doing to his defense in the 1st half, they'd make halftime adjustments and take away whatever the offense was doing successful.

Fritz Shurmur, the Packers DC under Mike Holmgren when the Packers went to back to back SBs winning one of them was GREAT at adjustments, especially in 1996. I remember that sense of knowing everything will be fine if the defense struggled in the 1st half under Shurmur.

Under Joe Barry I have no such feeling things will be fine. I know Barry won't make an adjustment. If he did for a half of a game and it worked, it seems he always reverts back to 10 yards off on 3rd and 7. I also don't have any feeling LaFleur will say much to Barry.

My hope for this Packers offseason is Aaron Rodgers and the Packers part ways. I hope it's a respectful parting where both parties are happy for the time together but it is time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIONmDiN4E

Above is the link of every throw Love made against the Eagles this past season. A few times he runs away from a sack Rodgers no longer can run away from. There were even throws to the middle of the field, and some others that SHOULD have been caught. Bottom line, my feeling is this kid in THIS offense can be good. It's a feeling, MY feeling. Right or wrong it's just time to find out.

the first thing is always to have a QB with the right mindset. A leader, who wants to work and improve, no matter how good he is. Who cares for his team and gos to OTAs to get a connection with everyone else.
So we have a weakminded QB who has noting from what it takes. A Diva who likes hiself all over the media, just to feel a little bit better.
With AR here noting else matters, with his trust issues, his 1000 conspiracies and his fear of everything. No wonder he always lsot, when it counts for something. Just not the mindset of an winner and a unselfish leader.
Mahomes was better than AR after his second year and he will stay classy for a long time, as the guy, who feels sorry for himself everytime he steps on a football field.

The Packers can be really good right away if not AR hold them back with his greed and his BS

So much of how this team plays feeds off Rodgers. When things don't go well, he pouts, points fingers, and team follows his lead. He's a great QB, but not a guy on the sidelines who's going to instill confidence. A lot of games, you can tell they're done in the first quarter based on QB1's body language. For all of his talk about leadership, it sure would be nice to see some demonstrated when things aren't going well.

As to MLF, Barry and the D, it's like it's an institutional, systemic handicap with the team. The Packers defense usually plays soft, on their heels, reacting to the offensive player. Capers, Pettine, Barry all singing from the same hymnal. Teams with meat eaters on D play on their toes and prosecute the action, forcing the offensive player to react to them.

When did LaFleur pencil whip anyone?

To me that’s the biggest single difference.

1. Offense is about more than the quarterback -
Be very careful saying such things on this website.
The Chiefs have a star Weapon in Kelce. They have very solid WR's who played a great role. They had a RB that made the defense stay honest. The OL was good, and Mahommes is great. Scheme wise they made adjustments at halftime and were unstoppable. I think the difference in the super bowl was the staff made the correct changes at halftime.

2. Defenses have to help, they don't have to dominate
When the Super Bowl score is 38-35, there wasn't a lot of defense being played. That being said the Chiefs defense stepped up the 2nd half. They only allowed 11 points compared to the 24 they gave up the first half.

3. Personality matters
It does matter. I think back to some of the Packers best teams they had the veteran players that were great role models and leaders. Guys like Reggie White, Charles Woodson. We need that veteran presence in the locker room that everyone looks up to and follows.

My three for the Packers are:

Trust
Accountability
Transparency

*The main one that sticks out to me is trust. The defensive players don't seem to trust Coach Barry's D schemes, #12 appears not to trust in Coach LaF's offensive play calls. I don't trust the team (primarily O) can get the points on the board when it's needed in the high stakes of the playoffs. I don't know if it's players, coaches or both? The transparency with a plan moving forward is lacking (understandable to a degree with a future HOF and how he fits into the Packer plans short and long term, keep cards close to the vest due to potential trade). Accountability...not sure since it maybe happening behind closed doors. But, it seems like Coach LaF has their backs for too long before deciding what to do.

Sometimes it is best to just be a fan, other times it is frustrating with the not knowing how things are or aren't being addressed. There has to be a plan, but there aren't enough bread crumbs going in the same direction to make an educated, high percentage guess.

What is the team's identity? They need one at some point with all buying into the message, whatever that may be.

In fairness, all other teams that aren't the Chiefs can compare themselves to them and find areas of improvement. It is refreshing to not have to mention the Packers STs as such a weakness any longer. I hope that lil Italian coach stays with the Packers, for our sake.

Some have mentioned soft as a team, I agree. We seem more of a finesse team and not the strong, blue collar team of the Midwest. Is it culture? Teams coming into GB in Dec/Jan don't fear the Packers or the weather any longer...I sometimes could look at the GB players faces PRIOR to kickoff and gauge if we are ready to play or not. These are just my hunches, nothing scientific obviously... much less accurate.

GPG!

What I learned from that game is that Packers need to go very fresh. Get rid of MLF & Barry & HC ACR. Offer Bieniemy HC position and let him to pick his coordinators and the rest of the staff.

Start new era with Jordan Love and bunch of young guys willing to give all every snap, no matter if they are playing on O, D or ST.

Do not resign old players. My favorite aged players on Packers are Cobb, Crosby & Old Dog. But keeping them you are making your young guys development much longer and still do not have adequate return in games from them.

Cheerleader may stay as OC if new HC (Bieniemy) wants, if not, let him go. I know that many believes MLF is offensive genius, but he did nothing to prove that opinion. I know that he is overpowered by ACR, but that relation just ruined him as HC. I doubt that even young players have respect for him.

Yes, team is the winner, not HC, or QB, or TE or RB or WR. Because of that Packers should try to build the balanced roster with as low number of stars as they can. Every star player might ruin the cohesion of the roster. I notice one thing at SB. Mahomes came to DL after he scored TD and asked them to do their job for him and the offense. His words were: "We can win. It is now your time. Go, get them!" That is the leader of the team!

Well first off the Packers are a soft team. That reputation will need to be changed if they want another SB. Leadership will have something to do with the soft label. The year the Smith brothers came to GB, they wanted to change their team’s attitude, but couldn’t do it. Team leaders will have to step up.
I would like to see MLF’s offense run like it’s suppose to. Love should/will run it and we can see if it is indeed something to build on or headed to the scrapyard.
Last thing is related to the first item…soft teams don’t react well to being punched in the mouth. They don’t usually make 4th qtr. comebacks.
Just MHO…

While pondering what they could improve on to be more like Chiefs I almost choked. Andy Reid was a Packer coach. He made the Chiefs AND Philly before that, in the Packers image.

He makes it fun to practice and teaches everyone (coaches and players) how to do their job. I used to love practice as much as playing the games. I WANTED to be around the other players as much as I could. Not being around them felt like sitting in the dark (I know I just threw that one in there).

If we'd traded Rodgers before last season and still went 8-9 (actually think we'd have done better) what would we have said here? Would we have said we traded an MVP and now the Chiefs won the Super Bowl? Are we stupid?

The Packers need to move on from Rodgers. If he really wanted the young guys respect, he should be there for OTA'S and every thing off season related. Mahomes has already said he can't wait for OTA'S. A leader can only lead by being fully invested. Rodgers thinks he's beyond that. He has won 1 super bowl in his career and thinks he's the almighty. If the front office had even the smallest set of balls Rodgers would be gone. I wasn't a big fan of TT but he moved on from Farve with no problem. Gute grow a pair.

I have said this before on this site, #12 did his very best to channel his inner Jay Cutler when things weren’t going GB’s way for much of the last season. That is no way to instill confidence in your team. His body language on the field and his presence on the sidelines were not that of a good leader.

Super Bowl Winning Leading Rushers and their Base Salary Since 2009.

I love me some Aaron Jones, but this stat is telling:

2022: Isiah Pachecho $0.8M
2021: Cam Akers $0.9M
2020: Leonard Fournette $2.0M
2019: Damien Williams $1.0M
2018: Sony Michel $0.4M
2017: LeGarrette Blount $0.9M
2016: LeGarette Blount $0.7M
2015: CJ Anderson $0.5M
2014: LaGarrette Blount $0.7M
2013: Percy Harvin $2.5M
2012: Ray Rice $2.0M
2011: Ahmad Bradshaw $1.5M
2010: James Starks $0.3M
2009: Pierre Thomas $0.4M

I agree with point #1 completely.

Point #2 is correct but sometimes the defense needs to set the tone for the game and they need to play aggressively and take no prisoners. I would prefer for the defense not to allow 24 points in the first half regardless of how the game turns out.

Point #3 - I agree that personality matters but let's remember that the Chiefs have been here before. This was their 3rd SB appearance in 4 years. Their coaching is excellent and they do not get thrown off their game when they fall behind. Their experience gives them composure and poise to fight through adversity. They play for 60 minutes. they know they are champions and they play like it. I don't know if personality is the correct word. For me it's attitude and confidence. The Packers do not show much of either. That starts with coaching. The Packers don't have much coaching either. Thanks, Since '61

ok, I get it..99% of the posters here on CHTV absolutely hate Rodgers and say he is washed up, cut him, trade him whatever...and I hope he will be traded just so people can move on...but if he is so terrible of a QB and person, why do players on the Raiders, such as Adams and Jacobs and others want him there, same with the Jets...I guess they are just stupid to want such a washed up prima donna on their team...we will soon see...sure hope Love turns out to be decent or it will be his turn in the CHTV barrel of joy...

I think we'll have to just hope that the leadership trips into the right path as it appears there is some serious learning impairments they have to overcome. I think the popular take is that MLF is too loyal to his coaches. That's a generous take since it is a spin on a positive quality, but I think it's more that he just doesn't get it. Drayton and now Barry were/are so far out of their depths that they couldn't get another NFL job yet MLF just doesn't see their failings that are obvious to even a casual bystander. On one hand he's too loyal that he compromises his organization on the other hand he's too dim to lead his organization.

Both the SB teams played extremely well. It must be remembered that without a dropped ball when switching arms by Hurts, Philly may very well have won that game by multiple scores. Taking nothing away from Reid, he is so good at in game adjustments once he sees how the defense is defending them...a big weakness MLF needs to overcome.

If Barry will let his players be aggressive, they have the talent to play solid defense. Hopefully the young DL will make the most of their opportunities.

Great news that Jones renegotiated and is in GB next year. That gives me more confidence, that should Rodgers decide to continue playing, they will deal him and hand the keys over to Love.

Great move to keep jones. Keeps watson and jones as 2 major weapons for the offense. And also allows Pack to use more of there top draft picks on big men. DL and OL have to be addressed early in draft.

If this years playoffs showed anything, teams showed just how important quality Tight Ends can be. Kittle, Goedert, Kelce the Packers need one, a great one.

The Packers are a cover band playing their own music.
The Chiefs are creators of new music.
The Packers keep buying the same sound equipment.
The Chiefs reconfigure the sound equipment room.

If there's anything we've seen from LaFleur and Rodgers, the moment the Packers go down 7 pts then it's hero ball time and time to chuck it deep on 3rd & 1, which makes no sense at all. I've never figured that out about LaFleur and he must not panic whenever the Packers are down.